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I got a laugh out of Turnbull saying he reached out to Abbott and got told to **** off, and several different variations
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-TW- wrote:I got a laugh out of Turnbull saying he reached out to Abbott and got told to **** off, and several different variations
Well versed in the use of the word.

Also, the only vote that you can be sure of is when someone looks you in the eye and tells you that they would rather cut off their right arm than vote for you, you bastard. You can be sure they aren't voting for you.
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Yes, that was a great line!

Agree on the not trusting ScoMo. The one that particularly stood out for me was the section on the overthrow of Abbott. Turnbull claims he made the deal with ScoMo for Treasurer and ScoMo is like “I don’t recall that being offered by Turnbull”.

I just thought to myself:
- So in a very close leadership coup Turnbull supposedly just handed out a prime role? When he seems to have hamstrung his leadership making deals with the Right faction (which they hinted at being discussed next episode), he never used the Treasurer role as a bargaining chip?
- Whenever a politician starts a sentence with “I don’t recall” it seems safe to assume what follows is bulldust.
- I think I got the phrasing right about “I don’t recall Turnbull offering that” or something along those lines. It felt like a phrasing where in ScoMo’s head he’s going “Pyne made me the offer, so I’m not lying” type thing.
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I'm pretty sure he said "I don't recall" numerous times. What became evident to me was that that he had his eyes on the prize from the outset and actively undermined both Abbott and Turnbull from early on. A few of his colleagues described his decisions as Minister for Immigration (sovereign border) and Community Services (robodebt) were politically ambitious and devoid of consideratiom for human suffering. Absolute snake.
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Craig Kelly's office has gotten steamy tonight :lol:

Twitter/X search Craig Kelly in case you're wondering. :lol:

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I can’t find anything saucy for Craig Kelly, but in any case: why exactly do politicians seem to do this so frequently? Are they dense?
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To be fair its less offensive than the dribble he usually tweets.
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Finchy wrote: February 4, 2024, 8:18 pm I can’t find anything saucy for Craig Kelly, but in any case: why exactly do politicians seem to do this so frequently? Are they dense?
It's **** unreal hey?
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Dr Zaius wrote: February 4, 2024, 8:21 pm To be fair its less offensive than the dribble he usually tweets.
:lol:
That's a great point
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“A majority 62 per cent of voters believe the Prime Minister made the right choice, but only 38 per cent said they would be better off.”

Newspoll shows voters back Anthony Albanese on stage three tax cuts: https://www.news.com.au/national/politi ... 208f97e994

Goodness, I sure hope this is a mistake in polling question phrasing or the reporting (which given news.com is probably the real issue).

But if true imagine how much support they’d have if people could read? 62% of people think they’re worse off? That’s a lot of deluded people who think they earn 150K+
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Is it people on 135k+ that are technically worse off? Does that need to be individual income or dual-income? Because I suspect a large number of households would earn 135k+ combined income.
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Finchy wrote: February 5, 2024, 11:17 am Is it people on 135k+ that are technically worse off? Does that need to be individual income or dual-income? Because I suspect a large number of households would earn 135k+ combined income.
It is individually.

And I believe the cut off for those “worse off” than under the original stage 3 is about 147k.

I think something in the order of high 80% to low 90% of Income earners are better off.
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Finchy wrote:Is it people on 135k+ that are technically worse off? Does that need to be individual income or dual-income? Because I suspect a large number of households would earn 135k+ combined income.
“Under the proposed changes, everyone with a taxable income below $146,486 will receive a larger tax cut than under the original plan”

“How the revised tax cuts affect people like you”: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-02-02/ ... /103415830

No, it’s based on individual incomes, so two people on 100k will see an increase.

What you could see is someone on sub-150k in a household with someone over 150k which could see them worse off as a household. But there’s no way it’s 62% of the population!

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Don't know if it's already been posted, but below is a link for a stage 3 tax calculator to show how much better or worse off you'll be compared to the coalition version of the stage 3 tax cut, and also compared to pre-stage 3 tax cuts, once you enter your individual gross annual income.

Stage 3 tax cuts calculator: See how the changes will affect you: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-25/ ... /103387580

Some news sources say the tax cuts will amount to a saving of $20 per week, that's based off an annual gross income of $54,220

It does go down as a broken election promise, so that will be used by the coalition next upcoming election.
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He also promised he'd win the Yes vote.

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Dutton has bought up labour's referendum loss once or twice (each time he's opened his mouth)

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Just caught the news of the 4 blokes arrested after killing a grandma, very interesting.

Heartbreaking words of six-year-old revealed after witnessing death of grandmother: https://www.news.com.au/national/crime/ ... 51ba2e2fbe
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Could somebody please explain to me how somebody earning more than 150k will be worse off after these cuts?

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The Nickman wrote:Could somebody please explain to me how somebody earning more than 150k will be worse off after these cuts?

Asking for a friend.
They won't. They will get a tax cut, just not as much as under the previously planned tax cuts.

Stage 3 tax cuts calculator: See how the changes will affect you: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-01-25/ ... /103387580
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They will be worse off based on the change to the existing legislation which would have seen them receive a higher tax cut.

They will still be better off relative to this financial year.

Edit - dammit. Did it again!
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Sid wrote:Finished ep 1 of Nemesis last night, this line from Beetota sums it up pretty well.

Keen to do their best to show why their weaselling was justified, and everyone else's wasn't.

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I'm only part way through episode 1 and couldn't help but laugh at Morrison proudly sporting his most fabulous **** eating grin from his first appearance. It's almost like it's his default facial expression since becoming PM.

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gerg wrote:I'm only part way through episode 1 and couldn't help but laugh at Morrison proudly sporting his most fabulous **** eating grin from his first appearance. It's almost like it's his default facial expression since becoming PM.

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Dr Zaius wrote:
Sid wrote:Finished ep 1 of Nemesis last night, this line from Beetota sums it up pretty well.

Keen to do their best to show why their weaselling was justified, and everyone else's wasn't.

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Trump loses his court battle for full presidential immunity.

When a president is not allowed to assassinate his political rivals with impunity it surely shows how far the woke left have gone in destroying democracy.
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Mickey_Raider wrote: February 7, 2024, 8:59 am Trump loses his court battle for full presidential immunity.

When a president is not allowed to assassinate his political rivals with impunity it surely shows how far the woke left have gone in destroying democracy.
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The Nickman wrote:
Mickey_Raider wrote: February 7, 2024, 8:59 am Trump loses his court battle for full presidential immunity.

When a president is not allowed to assassinate his political rivals with impunity it surely shows how far the woke left have gone in destroying democracy.
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Let's not be too hasty. We have to get through the other 70 charges before commencing the lengthy appeals process for each of them.

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The Republicans lose vote attempting to impeach the Homeland Security Secretary Mayorkas over immigration in the Republican controlled HoR. Lost their own motion on the floor.

House Republicans fail to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congre ... rcna137327
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Sid wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:
Sid wrote:Finished ep 1 of Nemesis last night, this line from Beetota sums it up pretty well.

Keen to do their best to show why their weaselling was justified, and everyone else's wasn't.

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I fell asleep watching it last night, so went back and watched it today.

It's very hard to take either Turnbull's or Morrison's word seriously
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If any of you have a spare couple minutes and want to watch a trainwreck interview, check out Qs mate Dutton on 7.30 last night.



Any question he doesn’t like, even if it is underpinned by independent facts or data, and he is off the deep end accusing Ferguson of being an agent of Labor.

This of course follows on from the attacks last week on Nine journalist David Crowe and Guardian journalist Katharine Murphy.

You can tell he is under pressure after the stage 3 tax issue and it is all getting a bit Trumpy from him as a result.
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Mickey_Raider wrote:If any of you have a spare couple minutes and want to watch a trainwreck interview, check out Qs mate Dutton on 7.30 last night.



Any question he doesn’t like, even if it is underpinned by independent facts or data, and he is off the deep end accusing Ferguson of being an agent of Labor.

This of course follows on from the attacks last week on Nine journalist David Crowe and Guardian journalist Katharine Murphy.

You can tell he is under pressure after the stage 3 tax issue and it is all getting a bit Trumpy from him as a result.
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Unlikable and unelectable imo
Might be wrong but i really cant see the LNP going close to digging themselves out of the hole they're in with him.

I've spoken at times about my fairly conversvative FIL and he's my barometer for that side of politics and he's VERY lukewarm on Dutton.
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He only appeals to the far far right, anyone centre moderate can't stand him
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Plus he looks like a Mr Potato Head toy that Voldemort used as a horcrux
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