Corey Harawira Naera’s career remains in limbo

[kiwi raider]

Great news. I assume he was on reduced training so it would be a while for him to get fit enough to play.

Not sure what to make of that last line in the article either.

Yea I doubt he's done much(if any) contact since , probably hasnt been able to really push it at anywhere near 100% aerobically either , it could be months before he's ready for first grade

[Bluesbrother]

I can't see him playing. Doctors might have cleared him. Insurance companies won't. Can't see it happening in Rugby League.

[BJ]

Firstly this is great news for CHN and the Raiders club.

On a secondary note. A friend’s relative was physically electric shocked when a lady with an inbuilt pacemaker and defribullator collapsed on him on a walk.

I don’t believe he was badly injured but it obviously caused a scare and an issue.

Seems an interesting challenge for an impact sport.

[Botman]

I can't see him playing. Doctors might have cleared him. Insurance companies won't. Can't see it happening in Rugby League.

I would think it’s an all inclusive process

Like if he’s been cleared to play, it’s because the doctors have cleared him to satisfy insurance requirements. If he was unable to be insured, he wouldn’t be cleared to play.

More than happy to be told differently if that’s wrong. It’s just how I assumed it worked so by no means coming at this from a place of knowledge.

[Beejay]

Playing NRL with a defib in your arm ??

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Can't see him ever actually taking the field

[Bluesbrother]

I can't see him playing. Doctors might have cleared him. Insurance companies won't. Can't see it happening in Rugby League.

I would think it’s an all inclusive process

Like if he’s been cleared to play, it’s because the doctors have cleared him to satisfy insurance requirements. If he was unable to be insured, he wouldn’t be cleared to play.

More than happy to be told differently if that’s wrong. It’s just how I assumed it worked so by no means coming at this from a place of knowledge.

For an insurer there are a few things to consider. They aren't obligated to provide insurance and without insurance they don't play.

If he dies on live TV, what would that do to viewers, teammates, coaches. Beyond the obvious, there would be psychological damage and someone would be liable.

Another would be if the defib goes off and has potential to injure another player who would want to play with or against him?

Just not sure it's worth the risk and as an insurer if the premium would be worth the risk.

[LimeGreenMachine]

Great news for CHN , glad he has clearance and an opportunity to continue his career. I would love see him back but there still has to be doubts.
NRL will need to clear him to play with this device. Then there is a factor he hasn't done much since May last year, which would put serious doubts he could play this year anyway.

[greeneyed]

Canberra Raiders star's career remains in limbo nine months after terrifying seizure

Corey Harawira-Naera's future hangs in the balance despite a meeting with specialists, including a cardiologist, in Sydney on Tuesday. While Harawira-Naera's been cleared for an increase in exercise intensity, he still hasn't been cleared to return to contact training - despite it being reported in the Sydney media he'd been cleared for an NRL return.

It means the likeable Kiwi's future remained unclear almost nine months after he suffered his terrifying seizure at Homebush last year. It's believed no one with a defibrillator has played a collision sport like rugby league.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14280

This is based on a quote from Raiders football manager Matt Ford.

[Botman]

For an insurer there are a few things to consider. They aren't obligated to provide insurance and without insurance they don't play.

If he dies on live TV, what would that do to viewers, teammates, coaches. Beyond the obvious, there would be psychological damage and someone would be liable.

Another would be if the defib goes off and has potential to injure another player who would want to play with or against him?

Just not sure it's worth the risk and as an insurer if the premium would be worth the risk.

Na i get all that, there is obvious additional risk with him now for the insurers and doctors to consider... as you say, if you're not insured, you dont play

But what im saying is when it's announced/reported that he's been cleared to play, i assume that clearance also involves insurers signing off. Would be silly to announce/report that he's been cleared to play if the insurer hasnt given the green light becauase he's not cleared until that happens.

Edit: The above might explain it! Looks like the reporter might have jumped the gun so probably got some twists and turns to come yet

[LimeGreenMachine]

I can see the NRL blocking this

[Billy Walker]

Not sure how this is a debate. If he gets medically cleared he's back training and part of our squad. If he's not cleared then medical retirement is likely. He gets paid his contract in full but it doesn't count against the cap. I don't see any grey area here.

Seeing any grey yet? I was told this was a simple process that wouldn’t play out over time and the club wouldn’t be left carrying a spot for a player that won’t be playing standard. Could see this coming a mile away!

[-TW-]

For an insurer there are a few things to consider. They aren't obligated to provide insurance and without insurance they don't play.

If he dies on live TV, what would that do to viewers, teammates, coaches. Beyond the obvious, there would be psychological damage and someone would be liable.

Another would be if the defib goes off and has potential to injure another player who would want to play with or against him?

Just not sure it's worth the risk and as an insurer if the premium would be worth the risk.

Na i get all that, there is obvious additional risk with him now for the insurers and doctors to consider... as you say, if you're not insured, you dont play

But what im saying is when it's announced/reported that he's been cleared to play, i assume that clearance also involves insurers signing off. Would be silly to announce/report that he's been cleared to play if the insurer hasnt given the green light becauase he's not cleared until that happens.

Edit: The above might explain it! Looks like the reporter might have jumped the gun so probably got some twists and turns to come yet

I honestly can't see how an insurer would sign off on the additional risk with him

[Botman]

For an insurer there are a few things to consider. They aren't obligated to provide insurance and without insurance they don't play.

If he dies on live TV, what would that do to viewers, teammates, coaches. Beyond the obvious, there would be psychological damage and someone would be liable.

Another would be if the defib goes off and has potential to injure another player who would want to play with or against him?

Just not sure it's worth the risk and as an insurer if the premium would be worth the risk.

Na i get all that, there is obvious additional risk with him now for the insurers and doctors to consider... as you say, if you're not insured, you dont play

But what im saying is when it's announced/reported that he's been cleared to play, i assume that clearance also involves insurers signing off. Would be silly to announce/report that he's been cleared to play if the insurer hasnt given the green light becauase he's not cleared until that happens.

Edit: The above might explain it! Looks like the reporter might have jumped the gun so probably got some twists and turns to come yet

I honestly can't see how an insurer would sign off on the additional risk with him

I wouldnt think so either but i also have ZERO idea on what insurers do and how they assess these things

But what i do know is a player isnt allowed on the field unless they're insured to play, so if someone tells me a player has been cleared to play, i assume that all the boxes have been checked for that, including insurance.

As it turns out, he hasnt been cleared at all and the reporter got it wrong and he's not cleared to play at all and has just been given clearance to ramp up exercise intensity. So he's still got a fair way to go to resume his career.

[greeneyed]

So sadly, I guess my earlier worry about playing rugby league with a defibrillator had some basis…

Also pretty ordinary that The Daily Telegraph has not seemed to have fully checked the story… you’ve got to feel for CHN with these conflicting reports going out. Not for the first time either.

The CT rang the club and got this… "He's still progressing in his rehab, but he still hasn't been cleared for contact at training at this point," Raiders football manager Matt Ford said.

[Beejay]

This is the first time I'd heard he actually has a defib in his arm.

Gives some context to Rickys comments from before xmas saying he's not going to play again.
Ricky is probably being realistic. Harsh to hear as they may have been.

Unfortunate for CHN, and it seems he hasn't yet accepted his fate - or won't for contract reasons..

Once the defib goes in, truck drivers lose their Heavy vehicle licence. Seen it a couple of times.
Really can't see him taking the field again.

[Botman]

Also pretty ordinary that The Daily Telegraph has not seemed to have fully checked the story… you’ve got to feel for CHN with these conflicting reports going out. Not for the first time either.

Certainly feel for him, he's fighting for his career. And he's not giving up on it. I dont blame him, he's gotten to this level and to let that go must be hard. Especially if you think you can still play at that level, you dont want your professional sporting career to end in such circumstances.

That said i'm not sure CHN and his camp aren't responsible for the conflicting reports
Has felt to me like his camp is very keen to get positive news out and push the narrative that he's coming back and the club is constantly trying to bring that back to earth a bit and manage expectations

[Billy Walker]

So what are looking at in terms of a timeline here? Second and third opinions plus the groundbreaking European experimental medical procedures. He’s still on our books as a light trainer till at least the end of the season yeah?

[Bluesbrother]

I feel for CHN but he has got to think long term. As an organisation I feel like the Raiders are rightly concerned about putting him out there into the contact and aren't doing it willingly. It's a difficult situation to manage and I am glad there are some experienced heads on the board and staff that can hopefully manage the situation well. Realistically though his health is paramount and he is still being paid a very good wage. At 28 he has made some money from the game and with some good people around him and some good advice he can set himself up very well.

I just can't see him playing again. It's sad but there is a lot of people doing it a lot worse than him. I wish him well but don't want this story lingering around and disrupting the group. The Sydney media reports are horrendous journalism. Ricky speaking on it without CHN's consent was also a very unwise decision. Can't have this sort of thing going on for the next 18 months.

[Dr Zaius]

Hang on, he has a defibrillator? Why is this even a discussion?

[Botman]

I dont think either the club or player are in control of the timelines
It's a medical process, and it's got to play itself out on the timeslines set out by medical professionals.
I think its pretty clear CHN wants to keep on playing.
I think its pretty clear the club doesnt think he should keep on playing.

But the club has to balance supporting the player and his wishes to continue his career and has 3 years left on a deal (end of 2025 + player option), and also being the parent who has to put the future long term welfare ahead of the whims of today. I continue to believe the club is doing (mostly!) a really good job handling this.

[Billy Walker]

Hang on, he has a defibrillator? Why is this even a discussion?

Shocking right

[Dr Zaius]

Hang on, he has a defibrillator? Why is this even a discussion?

Shocking right

He'd be electric on the field

[Billy Walker]

Hang on, he has a defibrillator? Why is this even a discussion?

Shocking right

He'd be electric on the field

Hard to beat

[cat]

Firstly I wish for both Corey's and the raiders sake the media leaves this alone until there is real news. Doing this in public helps no one!

But secondly from a purely business, salary cap point of view can the club cut him from the team ( and therefore the salary cap) without Corey agreeing to it?
As someone said earlier IF he gets clearance now ( and it's a big if) you would be looking at 2 months to get full fitness/contact back at least and then another month or more in Reggie's to build up the timing/match fitness/confidence etc . That would mean he wouldn't be back till round 12 at the earliest.
That's a huge amount of cap space being wasted for a maybe at the back end of the season

[Botman]

But secondly from a purely business, salary cap point of view can the club cut him from the team ( and therefore the salary cap) without Corey agreeing to it?

No. They can't.
You cant just cut a dude and make the money go away. You have to pay him out, and that pay out goes on to our salary cap.

Purely business, the club is handling it appropriately. They're applying for salary cap relief under the circumstances to allow them to continue to support the player, whilst still getting on with the business of the NRL

[-TW-]

Christ that's unfair dismissal 101.

[greeneyed]

Firstly I wish for both Corey's and the raiders sake the media leaves this alone until there is real news. Doing this in public helps no one!

The media can’t report if none of the parties concerned talk. We can’t blame the media for wanting to report news. That’s their job.

[cat]

But secondly from a purely business, salary cap point of view can the club cut him from the team ( and therefore the salary cap) without Corey agreeing to it?

No. They can't.
You cant just cut a dude and make the money go away. You have to pay him out, and that pay out goes on to our salary cap.

Purely business, the club is handling it appropriately. They're applying for salary cap relief under the circumstances to allow them to continue to support the player, whilst still getting on with the business of the NRL

I'm not saying don't pay him, support him, I think he would be awesome in Sia's role
Our club has a great reputation for looking after the player as a person, we even paid for Carney's therapy after we sacked him.

But in terms of the salary cap that is a big chunk getting nowhere near the field

This is where the NRL needs to be flexible with the cap, Corey's cap space is the difference between playing a fringe first grader or a 200 game experienced quality first grader

[greeneyed]

Aren’t the Raiders getting salary cap relief while CHN is sidelined? I thought the club was… or at least it was being sought. That’s the appropriate course of action for the club in these circumstances. You can’t just sack someone, certainly not in this situation. The club wouldn’t want to do it either.

[cat]

Firstly I wish for both Corey's and the raiders sake the media leaves this alone until there is real news. Doing this in public helps no one!

The media can’t report if none of the parties concerned talk. We can’t blame the media for wanting to report news. That’s their job.

I think you give the media too much credit there
Yes it's their job but there is plenty to write about other than this. Did the player or club talk? Maybe but I reckon it could of been a passing comment/reply to passing question . Or even a passing comment from another player, eg asking another player who they know I'd mates with corey how is he going.

I also know there is a lot written that is plain speculation or lazy journalism coming from a quick google/forum search.

Just my thought

[cat]

Aren’t the Raiders getting salary cap relief while CHN is sidelined? I thought the club was… or at least it was being sought. That’s the appropriate course of action for the club in these circumstances. You can’t just sack someone, certainly not in this situation. The club wouldn’t want to do it either.

As I said I don't want him " just sacked" but the Raiders need to find some path out IF the NRL don't give us salary cap relief. I have seen a report long ago we asked for it but I'm yet to read anything saying we got it.

Corey's contract ends 2025 with another year in the player's favour. This is a tricky and new situation for the NRL , as people have said noone has played contact sport with an internal defib. Corey could spend 2024 and 2025 looking for 2nd, 3rd, 4th etc opinions, if the NRL/club doctors won't clear him to play and the NRL don't grant us salary cap relief we are playing with a 29 man squad but paying for 30 for 2 years

[Botman]

Firstly I wish for both Corey's and the raiders sake the media leaves this alone until there is real news. Doing this in public helps no one!

The media can’t report if none of the parties concerned talk. We can’t blame the media for wanting to report news. That’s their job.

I think you give the media too much credit there
Yes it's their job but there is plenty to write about other than this. Did the player or club talk? Maybe but I reckon it could of been a passing comment/reply to passing question . Or even a passing comment from another player, eg asking another player who they know I'd mates with corey how is he going.

I also know there is a lot written that is plain speculation or lazy journalism coming from a quick google/forum search.

Just my thought

Spoiler alert
Someone talked. The journalists job is to report, not protect feelings

[LimeGreenMachine]

Looking at the image of the defib fitted in the soccer player , there's no way a league player could play with it. It wouldn't survive getting hit in tackles

[zim]

Made for some interesting reading. Really bad luck for CHN.

Implantable cardioverter-defibrillator: What it’s for and what to expect: https://www.healthgrades.com/right-care ... or-implant

Would a medical retirement payout his entire contract or just this year?

[Botman]

Would a medical retirement payout his entire contract or just this year?

His entire contract would be paid out.