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LimeGreenMachine wrote: April 23, 2024, 6:16 pm
Billy Walker wrote: April 23, 2024, 5:59 pm
LimeGreenMachine wrote: April 23, 2024, 5:28 pm His doctor said he can't continue


Apple oranges .

Ever watch Frozen
Let it go
Our Doctors said CHN can’t continue- apples apples.
His doctors didn't

You can't be that clueless
Finucane's doctors said he shouldn't play not that he can't play
Corey's doctors have said the same thing, which is why he is going for a 3rd/4th/5th opinion

If Finucane saw Ponga's doctor he would have got the all clear too

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Not according to Triple M. Finucane couldn't get a doctor to clear him. He spoke to the RLPA about playing without being cleared by a doctor and got an obvious answer back. That's really only a question you'd ask if you've had a few concussions.
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He just said in the Fox interview he was told to retire. The decision was made for him. By 2 independent neurological experts
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The difference here is pretty simple

Finucane has accepted the recommendations and medical advice from the doctors and agreed to retire

CHN is still fighting to resume his career. Seeking additional medical advise to attempt to gain clearance to continue playing.
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Easier to come to terms with for someone who played for 12 years and won a couple of premierships too I imagine…
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Botman wrote: April 23, 2024, 6:44 pm The difference here is pretty simple

Finucane has accepted the recommendations and medical advice from the doctors and agreed to retire

CHN is still fighting to resume his career. Seeking additional medical advise to attempt to gain clearance to continue playing.
Like I said, guess some clubs are just lucky hey
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gangrenous wrote: April 23, 2024, 6:47 pm Easier to come to terms with for someone who played for 12 years and won a couple of premierships too I imagine…
And is 32 with pretty much no scope to obtaining another contract for significant money beyond his current deal
He’s made the money he’ll make from this game, CHN probably feels he’s got another 1-2m to make beyond his current contract being only 28
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First paragraph in DT article: After exhausting every possible avenue, veteran workhorse has called time on his career.

‘Wasn’t a decision’: The moment Finucane knew his career was over: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 8878756c2f


Every possible avenue.

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I honestly feel like you blokes are all just fish who keep swallowing the same hook over and over again, hey
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Botman wrote: April 23, 2024, 6:44 pm The difference here is pretty simple

Finucane has accepted the recommendations and medical advice from the doctors and agreed to retire

CHN is still fighting to resume his career. Seeking additional medical advise to attempt to gain clearance to continue playing.
Listening to him speak on the news tonight was very interesting. Basically said the club helped him get medical advice that the club and his wife/family supported- which is what you would expect him to say
The next part was along the lines that he thanked the sharks for following the HIA/concussion protocols and information and that he wasn't sure about how certain ( he said some) other clubs were achieving it.

Not sure if it was a dig at the Knights ( that medical team has been hammered this week in the media in relation to Pongia) or maybe the roosters
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LimeGreenMachine wrote: April 23, 2024, 7:20 pm First paragraph in DT article: After exhausting every possible avenue, veteran workhorse has called time on his career.

‘Wasn’t a decision’: The moment Finucane knew his career was over: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 8878756c2f


Every possible avenue.

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Watch the press conference and hear the whole thing not just sound bites.

A lot more to it
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cat wrote:
Botman wrote: April 23, 2024, 6:44 pm The difference here is pretty simple

Finucane has accepted the recommendations and medical advice from the doctors and agreed to retire

CHN is still fighting to resume his career. Seeking additional medical advise to attempt to gain clearance to continue playing.
Listening to him speak on the news tonight was very interesting. Basically said the club helped him get medical advice that the club and his wife/family supported- which is what you would expect him to say
The next part was along the lines that he thanked the sharks for following the HIA/concussion protocols and information and that he wasn't sure about how certain ( he said some) other clubs were achieving it.

Not sure if it was a dig at the Knights ( that medical team has been hammered this week in the media in relation to Pongia) or maybe the roosters
Finucane at 32yo 250+ games nothing left to win, running style that puts his melon in harms way more than any other current player - eventually concedes to conclusive medical advice.

Ponga at 26yo 120+ games, peak of his career, hasn't had a concussion in the last 18 months.

CHN 28yo 120+ games shouldd be at peak of his career has a serious medical episode, hasn't got conclusive medical advice.

I'm confused why you're trying to blanket wrap these. (I'm actually not confused you've always hated CHN)

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cat wrote: April 23, 2024, 10:50 pm
LimeGreenMachine wrote: April 23, 2024, 7:20 pm First paragraph in DT article: After exhausting every possible avenue, veteran workhorse has called time on his career.

‘Wasn’t a decision’: The moment Finucane knew his career was over: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 8878756c2f


Every possible avenue.

Drop 🎤
Watch the press conference and hear the whole thing not just sound bites.

A lot more to it
I listened to the 1st part of his NRL 360 interview where he said the decision was made for him by 2 neurological specialists.
He also had 2 other neurological experts ( forget proper terms ) who said the same. They were all independent. This was what came out of his mouth in the 1st 5min of the interview.
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What about a 22 year old guy with a career ahead of him on a stupidly high 4 year deal. Manly successfully negotiate a joint termination where the player picks up $1m but only $250k appears on the cap. Guess some clubs are just lucky….

‘Worst contract ever negotiated’: Crazy details of Manly’s Schuster deal: https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/worst ... 24a73f5b8a
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Billy Walker wrote: April 24, 2024, 7:29 am What about a 22 year old guy with a career ahead of him on a stupidly high 4 year deal. Manly successfully negotiate a joint termination where the player picks up $1m but only $250k appears on the cap. Guess some clubs are just lucky….

‘Worst contract ever negotiated’: Crazy details of Manly’s Schuster deal: https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/worst ... 24a73f5b8a
No, the entire $1m appears on the cap. They can just split it over 4 years to $250k each year. Still a horrendous deal. Losing $1m of cap space for literally zero return. Plus, Schuster didn’t just walk away from the full contract amount he would be owed, Manly had grounds to terminate his contract and pay him nothing, but they threw him a bone.
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Finchy wrote: April 24, 2024, 10:17 am
Billy Walker wrote: April 24, 2024, 7:29 am What about a 22 year old guy with a career ahead of him on a stupidly high 4 year deal. Manly successfully negotiate a joint termination where the player picks up $1m but only $250k appears on the cap. Guess some clubs are just lucky….

‘Worst contract ever negotiated’: Crazy details of Manly’s Schuster deal: https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/worst ... 24a73f5b8a
No, the entire $1m appears on the cap. They can just split it over 4 years to $250k each year. Still a horrendous deal. Losing $1m of cap space for literally zero return. Plus, Schuster didn’t just walk away from the full contract amount he would be owed, Manly had grounds to terminate his contract and pay him nothing, but they threw him a bone.
The silver lining is that the Sea Eagles will have an extra $550,000 to spend in each of the next three years.

That’s better than paying $800k a year for the kid to run around in NSW Cup.

Manly cuts its loses, Schuster is happy. That’s how these things are supposed to work.
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Billy Walker wrote: April 24, 2024, 11:08 am
Finchy wrote: April 24, 2024, 10:17 am
Billy Walker wrote: April 24, 2024, 7:29 am What about a 22 year old guy with a career ahead of him on a stupidly high 4 year deal. Manly successfully negotiate a joint termination where the player picks up $1m but only $250k appears on the cap. Guess some clubs are just lucky….

‘Worst contract ever negotiated’: Crazy details of Manly’s Schuster deal: https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/worst ... 24a73f5b8a
No, the entire $1m appears on the cap. They can just split it over 4 years to $250k each year. Still a horrendous deal. Losing $1m of cap space for literally zero return. Plus, Schuster didn’t just walk away from the full contract amount he would be owed, Manly had grounds to terminate his contract and pay him nothing, but they threw him a bone.
The silver lining is that the Sea Eagles will have an extra $550,000 to spend in each of the next three years.

That’s better than paying $800k a year for the kid to run around in NSW Cup.

Manly cuts its loses, Schuster is happy. That’s how these things are supposed to work.
So we should sack CHN without lawful cause, but throw him a bone so we have a portion of his wages back in our salary cap. Can’t see any issues with that plan at all!
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Keep on nibbling little fishies, keep on nibbling... mwahahahahah
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Need to lock the thread until new information comes out.
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LimeGreenMachine wrote: April 24, 2024, 12:11 pm Need to lock the thread until new information comes out.
You can't lock every thread that Billy trolls in, m8.

Wouldn't be much of a forum left.
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The Nickman wrote: April 24, 2024, 12:15 pm
LimeGreenMachine wrote: April 24, 2024, 12:11 pm Need to lock the thread until new information comes out.
You can't lock every thread that Billy trolls in, m8.

Wouldn't be much of a forum left.
Not even sure what his point is on this one.
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Finchy wrote: April 24, 2024, 11:13 am
Billy Walker wrote: April 24, 2024, 11:08 am
Finchy wrote: April 24, 2024, 10:17 am
Billy Walker wrote: April 24, 2024, 7:29 am What about a 22 year old guy with a career ahead of him on a stupidly high 4 year deal. Manly successfully negotiate a joint termination where the player picks up $1m but only $250k appears on the cap. Guess some clubs are just lucky….

‘Worst contract ever negotiated’: Crazy details of Manly’s Schuster deal: https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/worst ... 24a73f5b8a
No, the entire $1m appears on the cap. They can just split it over 4 years to $250k each year. Still a horrendous deal. Losing $1m of cap space for literally zero return. Plus, Schuster didn’t just walk away from the full contract amount he would be owed, Manly had grounds to terminate his contract and pay him nothing, but they threw him a bone.
The silver lining is that the Sea Eagles will have an extra $550,000 to spend in each of the next three years.

That’s better than paying $800k a year for the kid to run around in NSW Cup.

Manly cuts its loses, Schuster is happy. That’s how these things are supposed to work.
So we should sack CHN without lawful cause, but throw him a bone so we have a portion of his wages back in our salary cap. Can’t see any issues with that plan at all!
A negotiated outcome that both parties are happy with isn’t an illegal sacking. CHN needs to be paid and needs to be looked after. That has never been in question. The issue is we can be running with a 29 man roster and upwards of $600k down on our cap for this year and next. Other clubs find ways to settle these matters we are in limbo.

Would you be happy to give CHN the entire length of his current contract to explore all medical options to return?
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Billy Walker wrote: April 24, 2024, 3:53 pm
Finchy wrote: April 24, 2024, 11:13 am
Billy Walker wrote: April 24, 2024, 11:08 am
Finchy wrote: April 24, 2024, 10:17 am
Billy Walker wrote: April 24, 2024, 7:29 am What about a 22 year old guy with a career ahead of him on a stupidly high 4 year deal. Manly successfully negotiate a joint termination where the player picks up $1m but only $250k appears on the cap. Guess some clubs are just lucky….

‘Worst contract ever negotiated’: Crazy details of Manly’s Schuster deal: https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/worst ... 24a73f5b8a
No, the entire $1m appears on the cap. They can just split it over 4 years to $250k each year. Still a horrendous deal. Losing $1m of cap space for literally zero return. Plus, Schuster didn’t just walk away from the full contract amount he would be owed, Manly had grounds to terminate his contract and pay him nothing, but they threw him a bone.
The silver lining is that the Sea Eagles will have an extra $550,000 to spend in each of the next three years.

That’s better than paying $800k a year for the kid to run around in NSW Cup.

Manly cuts its loses, Schuster is happy. That’s how these things are supposed to work.
So we should sack CHN without lawful cause, but throw him a bone so we have a portion of his wages back in our salary cap. Can’t see any issues with that plan at all!
A negotiated outcome that both parties are happy with isn’t an illegal sacking. CHN needs to be paid and needs to be looked after. That has never been in question. The issue is we can be running with a 29 man roster and upwards of $600k down on our cap for this year and next. Other clubs find ways to settle these matters we are in limbo.

Would you be happy to give CHN the entire length of his current contract to explore all medical options to return?
You're comparing very different scenarios though.

Schuster was happy to negotiate getting at least a portion of his contract paid rather than none of it, because he knew Manly could simply sack him for (alleged) breach of contract. Manly were willing to negotiate and pay him a portion of his contract rather than sack him and give him nothing, because it would likely drag out in the courts costing them more money, damage their reputation when it came to signing or extending other players, and they also had concerns for his welfare and didn't want to just cut him off.

Why would CHN in his right mind negotiate with the club to take a far lesser sum than he is entitled to, just because the club wants his money back in the cap? If he could simply sit at home and earn $600k, why would he take an offer to drop his wage down to $200k just so the club has an extra $400k to spend?

On your last point, no I wouldn't be happy about him taking the entire length of his contract to explore all medical options, but my opinion doesn't matter. He's entitled to take as long as he wants and explore as many options as he wants.

I'd rather he get 3 independent medical recommendations, and if they all say he can't come back, take a medical retirement - he still gets paid, the money doesn't come out off our cap. Or, he is allowed to return, and we get a return on investment through him playing again.

Either way, I don't think we have a leg to stand on to "negotiate" our way out of anything here. He hasn't breached his contract. Schuster (allegedly) did.
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At the end of the day in the real world Corey would have run out of sick leave and be on leave with out pay.
This is not an injury/condition he got because of playing football and he is unable to get medical clearance to perform his contractual duties.

In the real world the bosses would of replaced him, we have been very generous so far and have actually offered him a new role.
I like Corey , and always have and am proud that our club has looked after him, I also think he has a valuable role to continue playing at the Raiders developing and mentoring the young players living away from home. We have heard many parents of debutantes credit Corey for helping their sons.
But at the end of the day has been trying to find a doctor to clear him since December last year. Our club doctor has said he can not play with the difib EDIT. We are currently playing with a 29 man roster with and possibly missing out signing and resigning players whilst we wait for Corey to accept the sad reality he can not play NRL anymore and release the cap space he is taking.

Just curious, anyone have a boss who will continue to pay you well after your sick leave is used up if you can't do your job?
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cat, do you understand what happens "in the real world" if you get injured at work and can't fulfil your duties?
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He had a medical episode on the footy field whilst playing. Surely he wouldn't be using any "sick leave". Without knowing the intricacies of how or why his heart reacted the way it did, I would still imagine it would be considered an employment-related 'injury' and would be covered by various insurances. I mean, he didn't have a fit walking his dog on the street did he? He was only out on the field due to engaging in his lawful employment.
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Yep pretty sure if he was sitting at home this probably wouldn't have happened, seeing his history was clear.

Cat would be getting sued if she was making the decisions

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:lol: I’d like to get a full excel spreadsheet of nrl players and how many “sick days” they’ve used

Preferably broken down into those with a certificate and those without.
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She's not.

You're actually making her point.

If he was sitting on the couch and had a medical episode, he would not be getting paid or be employed.

That sounds harsh, but it's reality.

We only get so much sick leave in the work force for conditions outside of our employment
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dubby wrote:She's not.

You're actually making her point.

If he was sitting on the couch and had a medical episode, he would not be getting paid or be employed.

That sounds harsh, but it's reality.

We only get so much sick leave in the work force for conditions outside of our employment
Wasn't what was said, read it again

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The bottom line is that CHN is going to be entitled to a full pay out of his contract if medically retired. He is well within his rights to try and get back on the field. If CHN is medically retired, the Raiders will be entitled to full salary cap relief from the time of the incident. It is in neither parties’ interests to try and find some sort of a negotiated payout, it’s so far fetched it’s downright ridiculous for anyone to keep suggesting it. The process will play out.

The Raiders are handling this perfectly and acting admirably. My goodness there’d be some awful reputational damage for the club with players and public alike if they were to try and do anything else.


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greeneyed wrote: April 24, 2024, 5:05 pm The bottom line is that CHN is going to be entitled to a full pay out of his contract if medically retired. He is well within his rights to try and get back on the field. If CHN is medically retired, the Raiders will be entitled to full salary cap relief from the time of the incident. It is in neither parties’ interests to try and find some sort of a negotiated payout, it’s so far fetched it’s downright ridiculous for anyone to keep suggesting it. The process will play out.

The Raiders are handling this perfectly and acting admirably. My goodness there’d be some awful reputational damage for the club with players and public alike if they were to try and do anything else.


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I suspect the sick leave reference was more an analogy but yeah…

Tricky areas in regards to whether this was a football injury or pre-existing condition. Not something I’m prepared to take a view on.

I don’t want to see CHN paid anything less than he is entitled, but I also don’t want the club to be down a roster space and $600+ on our cap.

I suspect there is scope for a medical retirement which would be a sad but good outcome for player and club. The negotiation between club and player is around achieving a meeting of the minds on that outcome. There are levers, and the club could be hard nosed in its negotiations. That should be avoided, but an approach that leaves all control in the hand of the player is also totally unacceptable and not fair to the rest of the squad or the supporters.
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greeneyed wrote: April 24, 2024, 5:05 pm The bottom line is that CHN is going to be entitled to a full pay out of his contract if medically retired. He is well within his rights to try and get back on the field. If CHN is medically retired, the Raiders will be entitled to full salary cap relief from the time of the incident. It is in neither parties’ interests to try and find some sort of a negotiated payout, it’s so far fetched it’s downright ridiculous for anyone to keep suggesting it. The process will play out.

The Raiders are handling this perfectly and acting admirably. My goodness there’d be some awful reputational damage for the club with players and public alike if they were to try and do anything else.


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Re: Corey Harawira Naera’s career remains in limbo

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I suspect the club would want the medical retirement paid by some sort of insurance, and the insurance would be in the habit of requiring clear medical evidence that he can no longer play.

In the case of CHN and a seemingly random seizure, that might be hard to obtain
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