The Politics Thread 2023

[Boomercm]

Why haven’t you surrendered and made peace with me after you lost our argument?

It's a tricky subject and it is taking some time. You also used an unusual definition, which was my own fault for letting you define it

[gangrenous]

You don’t have to tie yourself in knots trying to argue against it. If you’re finding it difficult it could be that I’m right and you agree with what I’m saying.

Just a thought.

[The Nickman]

Hahaha this is absolutely incredible

[Dr Zaius]

So, the Colorado Supreme Court has found that Trump participated in the insurrection and has deemed him ineligible for the Presidential election, removing his name from the primary ballot. No doubt that the Federal Supreme Court that he stacked will overturn it, and it will mobilise his rabid support base more. Interesting times.

[Off]

Love it.

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[dubby]

In other words, Colorado has saved democracy by not allowing people to vote for the preferred candidate

[T_R]

Personally, I hope Trump is eaten by leopards, but that court decision is the kind of thing they'll be teaching in 200 years as the start of the Second Civil War. Complete disaster.

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[Botman]

With the way the US is in terms of politics and how black and white it's become and continues to go, it often feels like that country is on a one way path to a second civil war and i see comments like that get thrown around a bit, probably mostly glibly

Im curious if anyone thinks that actually really where this is all headed in the near-ish future (say next 50-100 years).
Its really not hard to see a path to it but i find it hard to actually believe it would ever get that far.

[gangrenous]

Personally, I hope Trump is eaten by leopards, but that court decision is the kind of thing they'll be teaching in 200 years as the start of the Second Civil War. Complete disaster.

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Mainly eating his face?

[Dr Zaius]

It's got that 1930s Germany feel about it. A slow spiral into a fascist dictatorship.

[Mickey_Raider]

The tripartite separation of powers is a social contract in which each arm accepts the legitimacy of the other arms.

When people are lamenting or decrying one arm exercising its authority because it is politically inconvenient, it means the system has been significantly degraded, possibly beyond repair.

For all of Australia’s faults, thankfully we still live in a system with enough integrity whereby political leaders feel compelled to resign over $2000 worth of shares or a bottle of red wine.

[zim]

Don't forment a violent coup attempt and try to intimidate election officials into changing results if you want to participate in future elections. Seems like a pathetically low bar.

[samvucago]

With the way the US is in terms of politics and how black and white it's become and continues to go, it often feels like that country is on a one way path to a second civil war and i see comments like that get thrown around a bit, probably mostly glibly

Im curious if anyone thinks that actually really where this is all headed in the near-ish future (say next 50-100 years).
Its really not hard to see a path to it but i find it hard to actually believe it would ever get that far.

If you are into podcasts David McWilliams latest episode really nails the problems America is facing culturally and politically. Really worth a listen.
I bang on about McWilliams a lot politically but the little Irishman has a brain the size of Jupiter and I wish he was President of planet Earth

[Mickey_Raider]

DMac is a legend and his podcast is a ripper.

[The Nickman]

Yeah, I'm really enjoying that podcast too, it's really quite informative and well done.

I'm so glad Dr Zaius got us all onto it.

[The Nickman]

With the way the US is in terms of politics and how black and white it's become and continues to go, it often feels like that country is on a one way path to a second civil war and i see comments like that get thrown around a bit, probably mostly glibly

Im curious if anyone thinks that actually really where this is all headed in the near-ish future (say next 50-100 years).
Its really not hard to see a path to it but i find it hard to actually believe it would ever get that far.

I think they've been spiraling down that path for quite a while now, it really does seem like a case of if and not when that country finally bursts and erupts in on itself. And the impacts it could have on a global scale are rather frightening.

I had a particularly sobering thought this morning while I was walking the dog. Hopefully it's just me over-reacting again like I did with COVID and saying Russia was going to invade Ukraine, but it really does seem like, similar to what TR was saying, that in 20 years' time we could very well be looking back and saying something like "You know, 2024 was the last normal year before the world all went to complete hell."

And I know that's a big call in the wake of 2020 in particular, but there's a very real potential future that could be set in motion in 12 months that could have catastrophic outcomes for the whole world. The ranging impacts to America, to Russia, all of Europe and China, and by extension us, could be really monumental.

Let's just hope we're not writing those above words on a cave wall in chalk. What was it that Albert Einstein is quoted as saying about the fourth world war?

[greeneyed]

Yeah, I'm really enjoying that podcast too, it's really quite informative and well done.

I'm so glad Dr Zaius got us all onto it.

Thanks Dr Zaius.

[Botman]

With the way the US is in terms of politics and how black and white it's become and continues to go, it often feels like that country is on a one way path to a second civil war and i see comments like that get thrown around a bit, probably mostly glibly

Im curious if anyone thinks that actually really where this is all headed in the near-ish future (say next 50-100 years).
Its really not hard to see a path to it but i find it hard to actually believe it would ever get that far.

If you are into podcasts David McWilliams latest episode really nails the problems America is facing culturally and politically. Really worth a listen.
I bang on about McWilliams a lot politically but the little Irishman has a brain the size of Jupiter and I wish he was President of planet Earth

Usually i have a pretty full podcast feed, but as it stands my NFL team is having a tough time and im sick of hearing about it, so i made room to listen to the latest McWilliams podcast. And yeah it was a good listen. Certainly paints an interesting picture for the US right now politically, they're on a pretty scary path and it's kind of hard to see where an off ramp comes.

Re my comment about Civil War, i guess reasonable arguments could be made that even if that doesnt involve generals, and armies and soldiers, and it looks different, that the country is already experiencing/is on the cusp of a cultural and political civil war or sorts.

[gangrenous]

Don't forment a violent coup attempt and try to intimidate election officials into changing results if you want to participate in future elections. Seems like a pathetically low bar.

Completely agree with what you’re saying.

[Dr Zaius]

Yeah, I'm really enjoying that podcast too, it's really quite informative and well done.

I'm so glad Dr Zaius got us all onto it.

Thanks Dr Zaius.

It's my pleasure. It really is.

[Dr Zaius]

It find it hard to imagine a civil war in modern USA. This isn't the 1800s, or some poorly developed African state where people can arm themselves and an even conflict ensues. This is the most powerful country on earth. Whoever controls the military wins the battle easily. Civil unrest, yes. Civil war, no.

[The Nickman]

Haha the response from boomer sure is taking a fair bit longer than his original bravado suggested it would, isn't it?

[Off]

Probably not high on his priorities arguing with woke commies.

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[gangrenous]

I’ll take that as a compliment

[dubby]

This thread is worse than 300 itchy sweaters.

[dubby]

He's worse than fruit cake.

[Dr Zaius]

He's worse than fruit cake.

I'm genuinely interested to hear what you don't like about the current Prime Minister, and how you would compare/contrast that to our last Prime Minister.

[gangrenous]

Well all he does is be Prime Minister and isn’t secretly responsible for 5 ministries. So he’s just not a hard worker I guess…

[-TW-]

Doesn't destroy international relations either

**** gronk

[dubby]

He's worse than fruit cake.

I'm genuinely interested to hear what you don't like about the current Prime Minister, and how you would compare/contrast that to our last Prime Minister.

He's a liar. He lied that the Voice was a one page document, when it clearly wasn't.

He said he'd bring power prices down. They've gone up.

He was shamed until visiting Alice Springs to witness its unacceptable crime scene. He stayed for 4 hours before spending days at the tennis eating ice cream and downing beers.

His asinine renewable energy focus is laughable. He couldnt get his wind turbines to certain areas because the roads can't handle them.

He released 84 foreign criminals back in society.

Immigration i way too high.

He is not doing enough to slow inflation. Australia topped The Economist’s “inflation entrenchment index” in Q3 of this year.

As for Morrison. Meh. That guy was underwhelming and a huge disappointment.

[Dr Zaius]

He's worse than fruit cake.

I'm genuinely interested to hear what you don't like about the current Prime Minister, and how you would compare/contrast that to our last Prime Minister.

He's a liar. He lied that the Voice was a one page document, when it clearly wasn't.

He said he'd bring power prices down. They've gone up.

He was shamed until visiting Alice Springs to witness its unacceptable crime scene. He stayed for 4 hours before spending days at the tennis eating ice cream and downing beers.

His asinine renewable energy focus is laughable. He couldnt get his wind turbines to certain areas because the roads can't handle them.

He released 84 foreign criminals back in society.

Immigration i way too high.

He is not doing enough to slow inflation. Australia topped The Economist’s “inflation entrenchment index” in Q3 of this year.

As for Morrison. Meh. That guy was underwhelming and a huge disappointment.

My understanding is that power prices reflect ageing coal power facilities more frequently off line, and a lack of investment in renewables, all from mishandling at a federal level over the last 10 years. A lot of that comes from political pressure from those who have the view that investment in renewables is asinine. I'm not sure a government that has been in power a little over 12 months is going to have any meaningful impact.

He released 84 criminals back into the community based on the ruling of the High Court, that ruled a law drafted by Peter Dutton was unconstitutional. Should he have ignored the High Court ruling? Perhaps you should be asking why an unconstitutional law was passed in the first place.

I think that you give the Feds far too much credit if you think that they can control inflation largely driven by global factors.

[Mickey_Raider]

I love chat about the immigration detention issue. People hand wringing about it are deadset just telling on themselves

The recidivism rate in Australia is over 50%.

And 60k convicts are released into the community each year.

So that means that every year we have 30k convicts reoffending in the community. And nary an eyelash is batted.

We have half a dozen convicts reoffending who happen to have brown skin and it is a pearl clutching olympics. Egged on by disingenuous **** like Peter Dutton and gladly parroted by people like Dubby.

[dubby]

He's worse than fruit cake.

I'm genuinely interested to hear what you don't like about the current Prime Minister, and how you would compare/contrast that to our last Prime Minister.

He's a liar. He lied that the Voice was a one page document, when it clearly wasn't.

He said he'd bring power prices down. They've gone up.

He was shamed until visiting Alice Springs to witness its unacceptable crime scene. He stayed for 4 hours before spending days at the tennis eating ice cream and downing beers.

His asinine renewable energy focus is laughable. He couldnt get his wind turbines to certain areas because the roads can't handle them.

He released 84 foreign criminals back in society.

Immigration i way too high.

He is not doing enough to slow inflation. Australia topped The Economist’s “inflation entrenchment index” in Q3 of this year.

As for Morrison. Meh. That guy was underwhelming and a huge disappointment.

My understanding is that power prices reflect ageing coal power facilities more frequently off line, and a lack of investment in renewables, all from mishandling at a federal level over the last 10 years. A lot of that comes from political pressure from those who have the view that investment in renewables is asinine. I'm not sure a government that has been in power a little over 12 months is going to have any meaningful impact.

He released 84 criminals back into the community based on the ruling of the High Court, that ruled a law drafted by Peter Dutton was unconstitutional. Should he have ignored the High Court ruling? Perhaps you should be asking why an unconstitutional law was passed in the first place.

I think that you give the Feds far too much credit if you think that they can control inflation largely driven by global factors.

You asked me what I don't like, I answered.

I respect your reply, and there is a lot more to it than we could discuss here.

We don't hold similar world views, and that's good. I respect you Doc because you're never ad hominem in your posts. I enjoy your perspective because it challenges me (in a good way) to learn more.



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[dubby]

I love chat about the immigration detention issue. People hand wringing about it are deadset just telling on themselves

The recidivism rate in Australia is over 50%.

And 60k convicts are released into the community each year.

So that means that every year we have 30k convicts reoffending in the community. And nary an eyelash is batted.

We have half a dozen convicts reoffending who happen to have brown skin and it is a pearl clutching olympics. Egged on by disingenuous **** like Peter Dutton and gladly parroted by people like Dubby.

They don't have a visa. Why on earth are they here?

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[Mickey_Raider]

I love chat about the immigration detention issue. People hand wringing about it are deadset just telling on themselves

The recidivism rate in Australia is over 50%.

And 60k convicts are released into the community each year.

So that means that every year we have 30k convicts reoffending in the community. And nary an eyelash is batted.

We have half a dozen convicts reoffending who happen to have brown skin and it is a pearl clutching olympics. Egged on by disingenuous **** like Peter Dutton and gladly parroted by people like Dubby.

They don't have a visa. Why on earth are they here?

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They are refugees mate. In most other countries they would have been settled in the community a long long time ago with very little fuss.

It’s just that in this country we have for some reason been conditioned into accepting that there is a class of refugees who are sub-human depending on their mode of arrival.

“Boat people”.