2020 NRL Round 19: Teams and Game Day

[greeneyed]

I cannot believe that they allowed a captain’s challenge when no decision had been taken.

[samvucago]

What just happened to the Wests Tigers is nearly enough. Who gave the keys to a great game to stupid officials in a video box. They are literally ruining a great game. Annesley has to front up every single Monday and lie through his teeth to justify the referees ineptitude. It’s beyond a joke.

[gerg]

Klein is a joke!!!

Best ref in the game apparently.

[bonehead]

looked a good call

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[Lui_Bon]

I wouldn't normally comment on a game that I don't care about (beyond the usual pointless tip) but that was a farce.

However, what really, REALLY gets up me is people talking about "the Bunker". It's not "the Bunker", it's a very small handful of utterly incompetent referees. The Bunker would be fine if Ashley Klein was never allowed anywhere near it ever again. Gerard Sutton also bothers me. And yesterday aside, I'm not sure Kasey Badger should be allowed near the controls either.

But Klein is the worst. He is whatever the opposite of common sense and logic is. He's rubbish on the field but he's a downright menace off it. I'd also suggest that whoever rates him so highly (and that'd be a Sutton too, wouldn't it?) is also ICACable. So I suppose it's ultimately Annesley. And he has been such a success all his life...

[Rick]

Kasey Badger is the worst. I swear she is actually blind.

Klein has to go after his last fortnight.


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[magoo]

I wouldn't normally comment on a game that I don't care about (beyond the usual pointless tip) but that was a farce.

However, what really, REALLY gets up me is people talking about "the Bunker". It's not "the Bunker", it's a very small handful of utterly incompetent referees. The Bunker would be fine if Ashley Klein was never allowed anywhere near it ever again. Gerard Sutton also bothers me. And yesterday aside, I'm not sure Kasey Badger should be allowed near the controls either.

But Klein is the worst. He is whatever the opposite of common sense and logic is. He's rubbish on the field but he's a downright menace off it. I'd also suggest that whoever rates him so highly (and that'd be a Sutton too, wouldn't it?) is also ICACable. So I suppose it's ultimately Annesley. And he has been such a success all his life...

ICACable... Gold jerry gold

[-PJ-]

Over to you Mr Annesley.

[bonehead]

remember when FPN dropped Ryan James in back play off the kick-off cost us a game?
It's very similar, stupid tigers player sees Feldt, accelerates and then runs a curving escort line. If he doesn't then feldt never gets near the ball and game over.

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[President Clinton]

remember when FPN dropped Ryan James in back play off the kick-off cost us a game?
It's very similar, stupid tigers player sees Feldt, accelerates and then runs a curving escort line. If he doesn't then feldt never gets near the ball and game over.

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I don’t think the Tigers player had eyes for Feldt at all?

That call along with the non-call in the Raiders v Dragons game sums up the state of officials in the game. There was actually no call for the Cowboys to challenge. Dire times.

[President Clinton]

Also what’s the **** deal with the Storm trying to sign Addo-Carr and Walsh for the rest of the year?

Can’t they deal with an injury toll and potentially not making the prelims for the first time in 10 years like every other club. **** joke.

[Raoul Duke]

What just happened to the Wests Tigers is nearly enough. Who gave the keys to a great game to stupid officials in a video box. They are literally ruining a great game. Annesley has to front up every single Monday and lie through his teeth to justify the referees ineptitude. It’s beyond a joke.

Worst decision I've ever seen in an NRL match, obviously I'm no Tigers fan but I was disgusted as a footy fan.

[-PJ-]

I wonder if Todd Payten would like to complain about “big team bias” this week ?

No mine, read it elsewhere !!!

[gangrenous]

I think it’s a lot more difficult a decision than people have made out.

If someone has the tech to annotate screenshots I think you’ll see the Tiger’s line run is across the field and not at the ball.

On the other hand, the Tiger doesn’t actively take Feldt out and is looking at the ball for the last good while at least.

Certainly seems to be against NRL rules that the challenge be allowed in the first place. I think the on field ref was keen to have such a critical decision out of his hands. They’re allowed to call in the video ref whenever they want though no? Should have just asked for it himself instead of asking cows if they wanted to challenge.

[gangrenous]

I wonder if Todd Payten would like to complain about “big team bias” this week ?

No mine, read it elsewhere !!!

I reckon he’d still be happy to. One swing doesn’t make up for a lot of roundabouts.

[pickles]

Well it’s clear where we went wrong against the dragons, we just needed to challenge the non penalty call after the siren and could have been given a penalty by the bunker! Poor error from our captain on that one!

[Northern Raider]

Tigers looking to appeal the result. If there ever was a case where the NRL could overturn a result then this is it. Simple situation in that the game had ended and the Cowboys had no right to use the challenge. Any review of the actual penalty decision is moot.

[President Clinton]

Did anyone else think the bunker got the Addo-Carr call wrong when he took his first intercept?

I can't see how it was possible for him to be ruled onside.

[bonehead]

clumsy escort run, he changes pace twice, runs in an arc and is nowhere near the ball

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[Northern Raider]

clumsy escort run, he changes pace twice, runs in an arc and is nowhere near the ball

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Subjective and irrelevant. Ref allowed play to continue and the game ended. There was no stoppage and no decision to challenge.

[-PJ-]

Dale Finucane is facing 3weeks suspension for a head clash..that’s right a head clash. I agree it looked brutal and nasty but it’s a head clash. No on field penalty and the bunker would have looked at plenty of times. That was Friday night, come Sunday he’s charged.

Villame Kikua avoids suspension for a shoulder charge which is banned in the game, not even sin binned. He cops a fine. A shoulder charge is a sin binning right ?

Ken Maumalo? gets binned for a shoulder charge yesterday.

The fact Kikau was fined on Sunday tells me he was found guilty of a shoulder charge.

Incidents cleared on field in the heat of the moment are being pinged 48hrs later.



Bias anyone ?

[President Clinton]

clumsy escort run, he changes pace twice, runs in an arc and is nowhere near the ball

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I don’t really understand this ‘changed his line.’ He’s not a train, is he?

[greeneyed]

I think it’s a lot more difficult a decision than people have made out.

If someone has the tech to annotate screenshots I think you’ll see the Tiger’s line run is across the field and not at the ball.

On the other hand, the Tiger doesn’t actively take Feldt out and is looking at the ball for the last good while at least.

Certainly seems to be against NRL rules that the challenge be allowed in the first place. I think the on field ref was keen to have such a critical decision out of his hands. They’re allowed to call in the video ref whenever they want though no? Should have just asked for it himself instead of asking cows if they wanted to challenge.

The on field referee has to make a ruling in that situation. Then there can be a captain’s challenge on the call. He didn’t make a call. Even in point scoring situations he can only refer after an on field ruling.

When there’s a captain’s challenge, the referee is supposed to say which call is being challenged. He just said the Cowboys are challenging an illegal escort. But he didn’t rule there was no illegal escort, he just blew the whistle to stop play. He didn’t blow full time… as that would have ended the game. But that’s what he had to do under the rules of the game… or award a penalty to the Cowboys, which the Tigers could challenge if they had one left.

The bunker is only supposed to intervene in these situations:

Point Scoring Plays

Grounding
Knock on
Obstruction
Double Movement
Offside (Section 14 or from Kick)
Goal or Field Goal (ball travelling between uprights and over crossbar only)
Touchline/Dead in Goal/Touch in Goal
Tackle in the air
Stealing the ball (2 or more defenders)
Foul Play
Reportable Foul Play

For the Bunker to become involved in an issue of foul play, the incident must be deemed to be "On Report" – more than just a penalty.

Goal Line Dropouts and 20 Metre Restarts

The Bunker can review who last touched the ball before it went touch in goal/dead in goal and how the game should restart.

[BJ]

clumsy escort run, he changes pace twice, runs in an arc and is nowhere near the ball

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Subjective and irrelevant. Ref allowed play to continue and the game ended. There was no stoppage and no decision to challenge.

I thought the bunker would have had a closer look at that one as Addo Carr intercepted for a try.

To my eye, he jumped off the line earlier than is usually allowed and the on field refs usually call these.

[gangrenous]

It’s an interesting one isn’t it. Because making no decision is also making a decision. But I can see why the NRL are keen not to have teams interrupting a play, or deliberately ending it so that they’re able to challenge.

The natural evolution is for the referee to penalise if they have even the slightest concern, because then it’s challengeable, but if they leave it it isn’t. Particularly in the dying seconds.

The NRL have certainly been making this bed for themselves by being inconsistent on how they allow challenges and what for as it suits them each week. Either you can challenge at the end of game whistle, or you can’t. Either the team needs to be specific in what they’re challenging to the exclusion of other rulings on the play, or they don’t. Either the challenge must be made strictly within the timeframe, or it doesn’t. Either a team can challenge after deliberately breaking down play or they can’t. In my opinion we’ve now seen all of these scenarios play out both ways, and the inconsistency is a problem.

[Finchy]

‘Never heard of it’: NRL’s ‘short whistle’ excuse torn to shreds after Tigers ‘robbery’

In the aftermath of Sunday’s firestorm, the NRL claimed there was a “short whistle” from referee Chris Butler, despite time elapsing on the game clock there was only one second remaining in the game when the Cowboys kicked off for the final play.

The Daily Telegraph reported an NRL spokesperson claimed the decision to give North Queensland a captain’s challenge was justified.

“Butler blew a ‘short whistle’ to stop the game but full-time hadn’t been called at that point,” the report stated. “That, claim the NRL, was why the challenge was permitted.”

Read more: https://www.news.com.au/sport/nrl/nrls- ... b5b8bc82f1

[Finchy]

Regardless of the decision, I'm amazed that Warren Smith and Dan Ginnane are basically telling on themselves that they don't watch rugby league. If you've been "watching, playing, or calling rugby league for 50 years", how can you have never heard the short whistle? Are you deaf?

At least at the end of the article Zac Bailey and Scott Bailey concede it exists, and provide an example from our game last week.

[yeh raiders]

Surely the Tigers players have every right to run toward the ball. That cannot be illegal, regardless of whose path they block on the way there. Has to be the worst decision you’ll see in a long time, directly ruining a game of football.

We also saw an atrocious one in the Dragons game the other night, where the referee stated multiple times “you cannot challenge that decision” when Ben Hunt was not square at marker. The referee implying that even if Ben Hunt was offside, the decision would NOT be overturned by the bunker. 20 seconds later and sure enough, the bunker overturns it based on Ben Hunt being offside lol.

[Raoul Duke]

Surely the Tigers players have every right to run toward the ball. That cannot be illegal, regardless of whose path they block on the way there. Has to be the worst decision you’ll see in a long time, directly ruining a game of football.

This. There was clearly no intent to impede the player, he had nothing but eyes for the ball. Saying that he must take a straight direct line to the ball is absolutely absurd.

[gerg]

Surely the Tigers players have every right to run toward the ball. That cannot be illegal, regardless of whose path they block on the way there. Has to be the worst decision you’ll see in a long time, directly ruining a game of football.

This. There was clearly no intent to impede the player, he had nothing but eyes for the ball. Saying that he must take a straight direct line to the ball is absolutely absurd.

Disagree, of course there is intent to block the chaser, its been happening for years... croker used to be a very good kick chaser until the opposition just completely blocked him from running the line ... but it's a minefield to adjudicate on so they just turn a blind eye to it. I think the rule is if you are 'tracking' towards the ball then it is ok. But referees can't judge whether for example a player is impacted by sunlight and chooses a different line to take.

[greeneyed]

So Graham Annesley has admitted that the bunker decision on an obstruction was wrong.

Bizarrely, he claims that a captain's challenge could be made, despite the fact that the referee had not made any decision other than to stop play (but had not called full time). The challenge made was for an obstruction, the referee actually uses those words in referring it, but no call of an obstruction had been made.

I guess what Annesley is saying that the Cowboys could have challenged the blowing of the whistle to stop play. But that's not what the Cowboys did, and the referee referred a challenge to a call he had not made.

[-PJ-]

It’s a mess.

And come September a “high flying club” will be on the end of it.

Every other week we are getting controversy and I don’t entirely blame the referees.

Referees make mistakes, the bunker SHOULD NOT.

So here’s what happens now. The NRLs leading referee AClown will be stood down for 7 days. Then he’ll be reappointed the following week. It’s a great chance to head to a warmer climate and work on the tan.

Fans deserve better. Memberships, tickets, merchandise is $$$ spent in tough times. When we go to the footy we want an entertaining game and hopefully 2pts. We aren’t getting that.

[luffraider]

So Graham Annesley has admitted that the bunker decision on an obstruction was wrong.

Bizarrely, he claims that a captain's challenge could be made, despite the fact that the referee had not made any decision other than to stop play (but had not called full time). The challenge made was for an obstruction, the referee actually uses those words in referring it, but no call of an obstruction had been made.

I guess what Annesley is saying that the Cowboys could have challenged the blowing of the whistle to stop play. But that's not what the Cowboys did, and the referee referred a challenge to a call he had not made.

Where was our captains challenge against dragons (Ben hunt not square) then?
Whitehead was clearly screaming for one.

NRL making up the rules as they go along

[greeneyed]

It’s a mess.

And come September a “high flying club” will be on the end of it.

Every other week we are getting controversy and I don’t entirely blame the referees.

Referees make mistakes, the bunker SHOULD NOT.

So here’s what happens now. The NRLs leading referee AClown will be stood down for 7 days. Then he’ll be reappointed the following week. It’s a great chance to head to a warmer climate and work on the tan.

Fans deserve better. Memberships, tickets, merchandise is $$$ spent in tough times. When we go to the footy we want an entertaining game and hopefully 2pts. We aren’t getting that.

The lower flying clubs will be on the end of it.

[Finchy]

So Graham Annesley has admitted that the bunker decision on an obstruction was wrong.

Bizarrely, he claims that a captain's challenge could be made, despite the fact that the referee had not made any decision other than to stop play (but had not called full time). The challenge made was for an obstruction, the referee actually uses those words in referring it, but no call of an obstruction had been made.

I guess what Annesley is saying that the Cowboys could have challenged the blowing of the whistle to stop play. But that's not what the Cowboys did, and the referee referred a challenge to a call he had not made.

Where was our captains challenge against dragons (Ben hunt not square) then?
Whitehead was clearly screaming for one.

NRL making up the rules as they go along

Can’t challenge not square at marker, and we’d burnt our challenge.