Ricky Stuart says he’ll never again coach against the Canberra Raiders
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I also will never coach an NRL team against the Raiders, and for the same reason that Ricky won't.
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Re: Ricky Stuart says he’ll never again coach against the Canberra Raiders
Slater looks a great prospect to me. Temperament, selections, and attention to detail all on point (I'm not a QL supporter)greeneyed wrote: ↑June 25, 2022, 10:27 pm The club, should it extend Ricky Stuart's contract, which I expect they will, should also be considering the transition to the next coach at the same time. Where do they see the club heading? What sort of club do they want to be building? Cameron Ciraldo has turned down the Tigers and it doesn't look like the Bulldogs are going down that path, at least not yet. I wonder if he is the sort of coach that could be attracted to the club as the next coach in waiting? Or he is he just waiting to take over from Ivan Cleary at Penrith? What about Slater or Smith (if they're not already tied to the Storm)? Out of all of the potential future head coaches, Slater is probably the best prospect.
In terms of experienced coaches, Botman asked the question above "is Ricky the best we can attract?" (or similar). I think the answer to this is yes. I mean, we could attract someone desperate for a gig like McGuire or Green or Flanagan. But I don't see them as a step up. I'd be looking at a young coach as you suggest GE, a long term succession plan. Your sales pitch to this coach is around freedom and stability.
I think Canberra is an excellent landing pad for a young coach. We can offer and stability at board level and the ability to be away from the Sydney press. This is something many clubs can not offer (Tigers/Dogs/Eels etc). That stability and the lower amount of press pressure - which ironically we all bemoan at times - will be pretty attractive to many prospective coaches. It means there is more likelihood it is a long term gig, which provides that person stability for other parts of life (e.g., family). It also means they are more likely to be able to shape a roster and team culture over the long term.
So I think we could make a very strong pitch to someone like Slater or Ciraldo as a succession plan. The question is are we ready to begin making that plan, and who is the right person for that role? I hope the board and Stuart are thinking about these questions, even if Stuart wants to continue on for a while yet.
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So he’ll be coach unto 2031?
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It's a pipe dream that someone as in demand as Ciraldo would come here for a succession plan. He'd already be EXTREMELY unlikely to come here given he has his pick of vacancies, then throw in Sticky is likely to be at the helm at least another five years.
Smith and Slater in the same bracket. These guys will be able to pick and choose their situation. We're better off looking at what lower profile options are around. I think we can all agree we don't have a successor on the books right now.
Smith and Slater in the same bracket. These guys will be able to pick and choose their situation. We're better off looking at what lower profile options are around. I think we can all agree we don't have a successor on the books right now.
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Norm Provan, Warren Ryan, Harry Bath, Trent Robinson, Malcolm Reilly...Botman wrote:Jack Gibson also.
Tough rule!
I think Todd Payten is clearly the pick of the next generation. Smart, tough and certainly knew how to pick apart a defence with his skill. I'm always impressed when he speaks to the media too. Very certain of his approach and the style he wants to play. The Cowboys struck gold.
I think he'd come back here too, under the right circumstances. Irrespective of this family farm nonsense (that clearly doesn't apply to the likes of Craig Bellamy).
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Depends on the plan. If it is a 1 year plan with the head coach role guaranteed the year after - it might be possible. But Stuart may not be ready for that plan yet, which is ok with me.Roger Kenworthy wrote: ↑June 26, 2022, 2:29 pm It's a pipe dream that someone as in demand as Ciraldo would come here for a succession plan. He'd already be EXTREMELY unlikely to come here given he has his pick of vacancies, then throw in Sticky is likely to be at the helm at least another five years.
Smith and Slater in the same bracket. These guys will be able to pick and choose their situation. We're better off looking at what lower profile options are around. I think we can all agree we don't have a successor on the books right now.
In 5 years there will be another Ciraldo, and Ciraldo is likely to have already been Trent Barrett-ed out the back door of somewhere. I'm not picking on Ciraldo specifically here, all these young coaches get hyped and most don't make it (like young players). Only a tiny fraction end up with Bellamy or Bennett type careers.
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What happened to Garth Brennan? He was the next big thing in up and coming coaches for a minute.
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I believe he is at the Knights in a junior development role but read that we just quit the Knights last week, was getting along with the coach apparentlyFuifui Bradbrad wrote:What happened to Garth Brennan? He was the next big thing in up and coming coaches for a minute.
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Yeah it'd need to be contracted in. I don't see Stuart being ready to surrender his post in the next 5 years unless it became untenable, so I don't see him agreeing to a handover.Boomercm wrote: ↑June 27, 2022, 7:48 pmDepends on the plan. If it is a 1 year plan with the head coach role guaranteed the year after - it might be possible. But Stuart may not be ready for that plan yet, which is ok with me.Roger Kenworthy wrote: ↑June 26, 2022, 2:29 pm It's a pipe dream that someone as in demand as Ciraldo would come here for a succession plan. He'd already be EXTREMELY unlikely to come here given he has his pick of vacancies, then throw in Sticky is likely to be at the helm at least another five years.
Smith and Slater in the same bracket. These guys will be able to pick and choose their situation. We're better off looking at what lower profile options are around. I think we can all agree we don't have a successor on the books right now.
In 5 years there will be another Ciraldo, and Ciraldo is likely to have already been Trent Barrett-ed out the back door of somewhere. I'm not picking on Ciraldo specifically here, all these young coaches get hyped and most don't make it (like young players). Only a tiny fraction end up with Bellamy or Bennett type careers.
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Someone should tell Ricky the aim is to win - and it's not all about him and his desires. The club doesn't revolve around him - even if the media think it does. There are long suffering fans that have been waiting since 1994. I am one of them. He's had 9 years, next year will be 10, and we are no closer to a premiership despite multiple attempts and regenerations. The team can't do basic stuff like hold onto a half time lead. Fans don't want another second half like the Newcastle match.
It's time to put up the feet - he's done well and should be proud of what he's done, but it's time to pass the baton to someone else.
It's time to put up the feet - he's done well and should be proud of what he's done, but it's time to pass the baton to someone else.
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Let's table the succession plan discussion until 2027 and re-consider.
That's about as earliest as i see it being required
That's about as earliest as i see it being required
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He'll get next season no matter what. If we are a shuddering confused mess again surely that's enough.
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For sureCoastalraider wrote: ↑June 28, 2022, 10:44 amWe will likely strike lighting once between now and 2027 landing another finals appearance, leading to an extension.
Makes me wonder... here's a hypothetical game for us to play... we know 2023 is locked in.
You get to pick a year where he's still the HC of our club, for each year further down the track, you win 200k if you're right. But if you're wrong, you lose it all.
So you can pick 2024 and if he the HC at the start of 2024, you get 200k and you're out
However if you pick 2028, and he's still the HC at the start of 2028, that's a cool mil... it ultimately boils down to this. What is the latest year are you absolutely certain, regardless of circumstances, he's the HC?
2028 is where i'd land
Baring some absolute wild case scenario where the club is in turmoil and the players are revolting (and stuart keeps himself fairly well insulated from that scenario) i think that's the money spot
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I’d like Stuart to get some new assistant’s to shake things up a bit.
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Extending Stuart a contract extension sums up the mediocracy the club is willing to accept and why the club remains a bottom 8 team
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Never change Raiders...never change.
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Must be all public servants on that board.
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It astounds me how Don Furner still has a job. No CEO with his record would have a job at a Sydney club
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Buffoons everywhere, in all the important jobs. Get the broom out
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thoughts on Morris? Thought he was hard done by at the Sharks
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don't mind him
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Morris didn’t strike me as anything special. Had his tyres pumped hard by the Sydney media early in his coaching career. I thought Josh Hannay clearly out coached him as his temporary replacement.
There’s a reason the Sharks dumped him and he’s certainly not high on the radar for clubs on the lookout for coaches.
Surely it’s 50/50 whether he’ll be a full time head coach again. So an easy pass for me.
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Agree.BJ wrote: ↑July 1, 2022, 12:18 pmMorris didn’t strike me as anything special. Had his tyres pumped hard by the Sydney media early in his coaching career. I thought Josh Hannay clearly out coached him as his temporary replacement.
There’s a reason the Sharks dumped him and he’s certainly not high on the radar for clubs on the lookout for coaches.
Surely it’s 50/50 whether he’ll be a full time head coach again. So an easy pass for me.
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Agree with all that... I'd still have him over Rocky.BJ wrote: ↑July 1, 2022, 12:18 pmMorris didn’t strike me as anything special. Had his tyres pumped hard by the Sydney media early in his coaching career. I thought Josh Hannay clearly out coached him as his temporary replacement.
There’s a reason the Sharks dumped him and he’s certainly not high on the radar for clubs on the lookout for coaches.
Surely it’s 50/50 whether he’ll be a full time head coach again.
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The Nickman wrote:Agree with all that... I'd still have him over Rocky.BJ wrote: ↑July 1, 2022, 12:18 pmMorris didn’t strike me as anything special. Had his tyres pumped hard by the Sydney media early in his coaching career. I thought Josh Hannay clearly out coached him as his temporary replacement.
There’s a reason the Sharks dumped him and he’s certainly not high on the radar for clubs on the lookout for coaches.
Surely it’s 50/50 whether he’ll be a full time head coach again.
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I don’t rate Morris or Hannay, but Morris made the finals when he coached them, Hannay didn’t, so not sure about the “clearly outcoached” part. He won 8 games all year and has a lower win/loss ratio.BJ wrote: ↑July 1, 2022, 12:18 pmMorris didn’t strike me as anything special. Had his tyres pumped hard by the Sydney media early in his coaching career. I thought Josh Hannay clearly out coached him as his temporary replacement.
There’s a reason the Sharks dumped him and he’s certainly not high on the radar for clubs on the lookout for coaches.
Surely it’s 50/50 whether he’ll be a full time head coach again. So an easy pass for me.
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Every time I read the thread title it comes across as more of a threat, than a promise.
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Jason Smith was the best half at creating for others we have had since Ricky Stuart.deanoman wrote: ↑June 25, 2022, 8:42 pm Ricky is the best coach we have had in decades. I for one hope he stays around until he retires/wins a premiership.
Anyone who doesn't rate him is kidding themselves. There was a time we had Matt Elliot as our head and he brought in a pack a day smoker 2nd rower to play 5/8 and that was one of his better moves.
We have arguably had the best recruitment since the 90s and made a GF while he was in charge. He's done good