2022 Rd 15 V Knights: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

[greeneyed]

I think Trevilyan would go to another level too, if given the chance. He and Schneider combine well in the spine.

[Raider Azz]

The point was simply made that Ricky doesn't criticise his players in the media. I was asking why he criticised Savage quite openly in the press conference. I wasn't talking about whether the comments were blown out of proportion or not.

I didn't get the impression that he was criticising savage. What i got from that press conference was more that he was having a go at media circles demanding for savage to play first grade, when he clearly had a plan to ease him into the side. His comments were "hes a rookie and will make mistakes but id prefer him to make those mistakes in reserve grade". It was more out of frustration about what he saw as the pressure being placed on him to start savage. You can agree with his methods or not but he was clearly frustrated at those calls to start savage and lashed out at the critisim.

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[Botman]

He wasnt have a go at the media. He was taking a very direct shot at the fans who mostly rightly saw this kid needed to be given minutes. There really wasnt any media pressure to play him, it was fan pressure. Which has proven 100% right btw, given CNK's abysmal form, you wont find many arguing anymore that Savage shouldnt be getting that game time.

And he threw a young player under the bus to take that shot, and for what? What fan thought Savage wouldnt make mistakes? What decent fan doesnt think rookies will occasionally make very bad errors? None i've know.
It was frankly one of the more absurd things i've ever seen a coach do.
A true lowlight of his tenure.

[Raider Azz]

He wasnt have a go at the media. He was taking a very direct shot at the fans who mostly rightly saw this kid needed to be given minutes. There really wasnt any media pressure to play him, it was fan pressure. Which has proven 100% right btw, given CNK's abysmal form, you wont find many arguing anymore that Savage shouldnt be getting that game time.

And he threw a young player under the bus to take that shot, and for what? What fan thought Savage wouldnt make mistakes? What decent fan doesnt think rookies will occasionally make very bad errors? None i've know.
It was frankly one of the more absurd things i've ever seen a coach do.
A true lowlight of his tenure.

I think you're overreacting to his comments, i didn't think he was throwing anyone under the bus, just pointing out that a rookie will make mistakes. but other than that i do agree with most of your points. And there was definitely pressure in the media to start him, maybe that media pressure was based on fan pressure, but it was still there.

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[Botman]

He took the time to single out a rookie who made exactly one mistake, when that rookie was thrown on with 12 minutes left in hopes that he might save a lost game, the coach disregarded the decision made by a season veteran to put the rookie in a bad spot, did not comment on the HORRENDOUS amount of errors coming from veteran players in that game and others prior that resulted in such poor results... But he didnt **** blink when he was given an opportunity to bus the kid the fans wanted to see as if to prove he's smarter than everyone else (and that he may be!).

i dont know what you listened to. But it's not an overraction. The HC did what he did. We know why he did it, he did it in reaction to pressure. But that's a bad excuse for a **** decision. I would bet very good money if you asked Stuart today he'd tell you privately he regrets his comments on that day. As he should.

[zim]

I agree Schneider has clearly gone to another level. How he’s gone in NSW Cup the last couple of weeks really shows how far.

It's been great to see him go back and play really well. I think he'll come back into firsts with more confidence in attack next time.

[Roger Kenworthy]

He took the time to single out a rookie who made exactly one mistake, when that rookie was thrown on with 12 minutes left in hopes that he might save a lost game, the coach disregarded the decision made by a season veteran to put the rookie in a bad spot, did not comment on the HORRENDOUS amount of errors coming from veteran players in that game and others prior that resulted in such poor results... But he didnt **** blink when he was given an opportunity to bus the kid the fans wanted to see as if to prove he's smarter than everyone else (and that he may be!).

i dont know what you listened to. But it's not an overraction. The HC did what he did. We know why he did it, he did it in reaction to pressure. But that's a bad excuse for a **** decision. I would bet very good money if you asked Stuart today he'd tell you privately he regrets his comments on that day. As he should.

As soon as he heard the question you could tell he perked up for some I TOLD YAs SO . I think his intent was more I was right and you're wrong, but it showed a lack of awareness for Savage. Seems like a storm in a tea cup though in terms of impact, the media barely touched it.

[Raider Azz]

He took the time to single out a rookie who made exactly one mistake, when that rookie was thrown on with 12 minutes left in hopes that he might save a lost game, the coach disregarded the decision made by a season veteran to put the rookie in a bad spot, did not comment on the HORRENDOUS amount of errors coming from veteran players in that game and others prior that resulted in such poor results... But he didnt **** blink when he was given an opportunity to bus the kid the fans wanted to see as if to prove he's smarter than everyone else (and that he may be!).

i dont know what you listened to. But it's not an overraction. The HC did what he did. We know why he did it, he did it in reaction to pressure. But that's a bad excuse for a **** decision. I would bet very good money if you asked Stuart today he'd tell you privately he regrets his comments on that day. As he should.

As soon as he heard the question you could tell he perked up for some I TOLD YAs SO . I think his intent was more I was right and you're wrong, but it showed a lack of awareness for Savage. Seems like a storm in a tea cup though in terms of impact, the media barely touched it.

Yeah as i mentioned his comments were more out of frustration at the pressure he felt to start savage. i think the reaction here is a little extreme, if it was that big a deal there would have been more come from it.

Anyway at this point we are going around in circles so we can agree to disagree.

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[Canberra Milk]

I agree Schneider has clearly gone to another level. How he’s gone in NSW Cup the last couple of weeks really shows how far.

That is great to hear. I think in first grade he showed he had the foundation in place to build on. If he's building on that already, that's a great sign

I'm a Savage fanboi and I like Woolford, so my biggest spine concern is the halves. So that's great news re Schneider

[Azza]

I'll give the fog one more game before I start asking questions, but Schneider learnt something from his time in firsts, and I think he will have a higher ceiling than fogarty over time
Judging by his last couple of games in nsw cup I mean

I'm far more hopeful about Schneider than Fog - especially if he can improve his decision making speed and running game. The former hasn't hit his ceiling - Fog looks like a player of very limited capabilities playing at his top end. Hope I'm wrong though.

[Raiders_Pat]

I'll give the fog one more game before I start asking questions, but Schneider learnt something from his time in firsts, and I think he will have a higher ceiling than fogarty over time
Judging by his last couple of games in nsw cup I mean

I'm far more hopeful about Schneider than Fog. The former hasn't hit his ceiling - Fog looks like a player of very limited capabilities playing at his top end. Hope I'm wrong though.

I prefer Schneider at this point too. If Fogarty had a solid kicking game, I'd have him in front. But his kicking has been mediocre so far. I do realise Fogarty is only a few games in though and I have no issues with giving him some more time for now. If there's no improvement, I'd rather play Schneider and allow him to develop in the NRL.

[Seiffert82]

The point was simply made that Ricky doesn't criticise his players in the media. I was asking why he criticised Savage quite openly in the press conference. I wasn't talking about whether the comments were blown out of proportion or not.

I didn't get the impression that he was criticising savage. What i got from that press conference was more that he was having a go at media circles demanding for savage to play first grade, when he clearly had a plan to ease him into the side. His comments were "hes a rookie and will make mistakes but id prefer him to make those mistakes in reserve grade". It was more out of frustration about what he saw as the pressure being placed on him to start savage. You can agree with his methods or not but he was clearly frustrated at those calls to start savage and lashed out at the critisim.

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And to a large extent he was on the money.

I'm clearly in the minority here, but Savage is still learning the fundamentals of the game... however he's now doing it in First Grade.

His defence is not up to standard, his passing is average and his ball security is downright poor.

[Botman]

I'll give the fog one more game before I start asking questions, but Schneider learnt something from his time in firsts, and I think he will have a higher ceiling than fogarty over time
Judging by his last couple of games in nsw cup I mean

I'm far more hopeful about Schneider than Fog. The former hasn't hit his ceiling - Fog looks like a player of very limited capabilities playing at his top end. Hope I'm wrong though.

I prefer Schneider at this point too. If Fogarty had a solid kicking game, I'd have him in front. But his kicking has been mediocre so far. I do realise Fogarty is only a few games in though and I have no issues with giving him some more time for now. If there's no improvement, I'd rather play Schneider and allow him to develop in the NRL.

Based on highlights, i agree he looks to have gone up a level since returning to NSW Cup which is awesome to see. Id like to see him stay there this year myself, let him keep building on that confidence and on those areas of his game which were found lacking in FG (the aforementioned processing/passing speed and running game). It's a lot of jumps to make but if he can do that, maybe there isn't even a competition for that #7 jersey for 2023. But i can understand the thinking of getting those minutes into Schneider instead

Fogarty is and was always only going to be the best stop gap/band aid solution we could find on short notice. I'd give him another month of footy, see how his play trends... and by then we'll know where we stand in terms of the ladder... if we're in the 8, it probably means Fog is playing well and the team is trending up
If not, i think it would be reasonable at that point to bring Schneider back in and see if the step up he looks to have taken is visible at NRL level

[Boomercm]

I'll give the fog one more game before I start asking questions, but Schneider learnt something from his time in firsts, and I think he will have a higher ceiling than fogarty over time
Judging by his last couple of games in nsw cup I mean

great to hear this. I have high hopes for us on the back of him and Trev

[Canberra Milk]

The Raiders will struggle to purchase any marquee half, so to have a seasoned first grader (even if not amazing), plus a young guy snapping at his heels... both who have good attitudes and heads switched on... that's probably as good as we can hope for. I think Ricky has managed it as well as possible

[Raiders_Pat]

I'll give the fog one more game before I start asking questions, but Schneider learnt something from his time in firsts, and I think he will have a higher ceiling than fogarty over time
Judging by his last couple of games in nsw cup I mean

I'm far more hopeful about Schneider than Fog. The former hasn't hit his ceiling - Fog looks like a player of very limited capabilities playing at his top end. Hope I'm wrong though.

I prefer Schneider at this point too. If Fogarty had a solid kicking game, I'd have him in front. But his kicking has been mediocre so far. I do realise Fogarty is only a few games in though and I have no issues with giving him some more time for now. If there's no improvement, I'd rather play Schneider and allow him to develop in the NRL.

Based on highlights, i agree he looks to have gone up a level since returning to NSW Cup which is awesome to see. Id like to see him stay there this year myself, let him keep building on that confidence and on those areas of his game which were found lacking in FG (the aforementioned processing/passing speed and running game). It's a lot of jumps to make but if he can do that, maybe there isn't even a competition for that #7 jersey for 2023. But i can understand the thinking of getting those minutes into Schneider instead

Fogarty is and was always only going to be the best stop gap/band aid solution we could find on short notice. I'd give him another month of footy, see how his play trends... and by then we'll know where we stand in terms of the ladder... if we're in the 8, it probably means Fog is playing well and the team is trending up
If not, i think it would be reasonable at that point to bring Schneider back in and see if the step up he looks to have taken is visible at NRL level

That's a sensible approach but I have a feeling we will see Fogarty named in the 7 jersey for the rest of the season barring injury.

[Canberra Milk]

And to a large extent he was on the money.

I'm clearly in the minority here, but Savage is still learning the fundamentals of the game... however he's now doing it in First Grade.

His defence is not up to standard, his passing is average and his ball security is downright poor.

You are right about those facts. The difference is I/most of us think we need to pick him regardless. We have a very weak spine in attack, we just can't go back to CNK. Savage is no ballplayer but he gives early ball to centres at least, that's already more than CNK

His defence is not strong but it hasn't been catastrophic as some were predicting either

[Raidernation]

Fog has to start from scratch and build up some fundamentals, kick well with a variety of kicks (he's already becoming annoying with his bomb every kick no matter where or when), engage the defensive line and give the outside men a chance with some shape.

[Hong Kong Raider]

4 ex Raiders in the 17 playing against us this weekend - Edrick, Milford, Barnett, and Leo Thompson

Wonder what the record is

[Ray170]

4 ex Raiders in the 17 playing against us this weekend - Edrick, Milford, Barnett, and Leo Thompson

Wonder what the record is

Ex Broncos playing against them for the Dragons a few seasons back would have to come close.

[Seiffert82]

And to a large extent he was on the money.

I'm clearly in the minority here, but Savage is still learning the fundamentals of the game... however he's now doing it in First Grade.

His defence is not up to standard, his passing is average and his ball security is downright poor.

You are right about those facts. The difference is I/most of us think we need to pick him regardless. We have a very weak spine in attack, we just can't go back to CNK. Savage is no ballplayer but he gives early ball to centres at least, that's already more than CNK

His defence is not strong but it hasn't been catastrophic as some were predicting either

The form of CNK, exacerbated by his injury has given us no other choice.

I'm fine with Savage being given a shot. I give him a lot of credit for his energy and involvement. He has been decent under the high ball for a guy that's not very big.

The fact is, Stuart was absolutely right about him not being as ready as a coach would have liked, but he's still backing him while CNK is out. Time will tell how it plays out in the long run.

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[Postman Pat]

4 ex Raiders in the 17 playing against us this weekend - Edrick, Milford, Barnett, and Leo Thompson

Wonder what the record is

Ex Broncos playing against them for the Dragons a few seasons back would have to come close.

We had 4 ex dogs against the Doggies the other week if you include Woolford(never making FG with them)

[greeneyed]

The rotating spine at the heart of the Canberra Raiders' woes



It's the rotating spine at the heart of the Canberra Raiders' inconsistency, but coach Ricky Stuart feels their game was finally heading in the right direction.

"We had a slow start through some things we couldn't control, but what we could control was a lot of our error and possession and we were poor in that area. The one thing that has really hurt us is the disruption to our spine. I think you'll find this week is our second week since round six where we've had our spine two weeks in a row," coach Ricky Stuart said today.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... and-blues/

There's something about Newcastle Knights fullback Kalyn Ponga and the Canberra Raiders

Newcastle Knights fullback Kalyn Ponga has become a constant thorn in the Green Machine's side when he's wearing the No.1 jersey. Ponga's played five games against Canberra in his 94-game NRL career, winning four.

"He's a wonderful player and we do a lot of research on his game," Ricky Stuart said. "We all know what he's best at, it's just a matter of trying to nullify it. We've got our defensive plans and structures to nullify that type of attacker, but like all the good players you've got a plan but the good ones they back their skill.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239

[EJ]

He's no Benji against us

Yet

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[Bay53]

Jacko has Covid and out of Sunday and Origin 2.

[Hong Kong Raider]

Jack tested positive to COVID out of the game and SOOII

[TongueFTW]

Wighton out with COVID. Will miss Origin too.

[Azza]

Thanks for all 3 of you repeating it

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[greeneyed]

Canberra Raiders lose Jack Wighton for Newcastle Knights clash

The Canberra Raiders and NSW Blues have been dealt a massive blow with Jack Wighton ruled out due to COVID-19. It means he'll miss the Raiders' crucial clash against the Newcastle Knights at Canberra Stadium on Sunday as well as State of Origin II in Perth next weekend. The Raiders have applied to the NRL for an exemption to bring Matt Frawley into the 22 to cover Wighton.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... and-blues/

Jack Wighton ruled out of Knights clash: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2022/06 ... k-wighton/

[EJ]

Jackie boy's got COVID

You heard it here first

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[Botman]

I'll give the fog one more game before I start asking questions, but Schneider learnt something from his time in firsts, and I think he will have a higher ceiling than fogarty over time
Judging by his last couple of games in nsw cup I mean

I'm far more hopeful about Schneider than Fog. The former hasn't hit his ceiling - Fog looks like a player of very limited capabilities playing at his top end. Hope I'm wrong though.

I prefer Schneider at this point too. If Fogarty had a solid kicking game, I'd have him in front. But his kicking has been mediocre so far. I do realise Fogarty is only a few games in though and I have no issues with giving him some more time for now. If there's no improvement, I'd rather play Schneider and allow him to develop in the NRL.

Based on highlights, i agree he looks to have gone up a level since returning to NSW Cup which is awesome to see. Id like to see him stay there this year myself, let him keep building on that confidence and on those areas of his game which were found lacking in FG (the aforementioned processing/passing speed and running game). It's a lot of jumps to make but if he can do that, maybe there isn't even a competition for that #7 jersey for 2023. But i can understand the thinking of getting those minutes into Schneider instead

Fogarty is and was always only going to be the best stop gap/band aid solution we could find on short notice. I'd give him another month of footy, see how his play trends... and by then we'll know where we stand in terms of the ladder... if we're in the 8, it probably means Fog is playing well and the team is trending up
If not, i think it would be reasonable at that point to bring Schneider back in and see if the step up he looks to have taken is visible at NRL level

That's a sensible approach but I have a feeling we will see Fogarty named in the 7 jersey for the rest of the season barring injury.

Well that aged poorly, I’ve got very good mail that Wighton is out with covid this week
Looks like Brad will get a shot this week

[reptar]

Hope he’s alright. I just get out of isolation tomorrow - was pretty mild but I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.

[Northern Raider]

Has Wighton tested positive for Covid? Asking for a friend.

[Bay53]

Thanks for all 3 of you repeating it

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I didn’t repeat it. I was first.

[Bay53]

We are 3 and 0 without Jack this year. We are 3 and 8 with him even if he won two of those by himself.