2022 Rd 10 V Sharks: Game Day

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
3
30%
Raiders 1-12
3
30%
Draw
0
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Sharks 1-12
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No votes
Sharks 13+
4
40%
 
Total votes: 10

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Re: 2022 Rd 10 V Sharks: Game Day

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gangrenous wrote: May 16, 2022, 9:27 pm Well he got one thing right.

So how the hell did he try and justify it as the right call?
He claimed the referee and bunker were correct in saying CNK wasn’t effectively tackled, and he had the right to play on, and that the Sharks defenders had the right to tackle him again. All of them have erred and they are being horribly inconsistent with their other rulings. They always spin things to their advantage if at all possible.
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Someone should buy Annesley a rulebook for Christmas.
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gangrenous wrote:Someone should buy Annesley a rulebook for Christmas.
I think it's more about the optics. When he first started with these debriefs he was open and honest about the ref's performance. I'm guessing he was told to rein it in and be more supportive.
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The Nickman wrote: May 16, 2022, 7:45 pm
gangrenous wrote:
GreenMachine wrote:
gangrenous wrote: May 16, 2022, 8:27 am
GreenMachine wrote:I don’t know what footage your watching.
Clearly it’s tainted green.
He clearly makes a second play when Moylan’s hands are off him and is rightfully bundled into touch.
If he went the length of the field and scored a try you’d be asking for it to stand.
The guy had a solid game but it was an idiotic play that thankfully we didn’t pay the price for.
There is no ‘ref conspiracy’…
Please don’t believe everything our coach spews out…thought you were smarter than that.
So your answers are that you’ve got no response. “He clearly makes a second play” but you can’t say that he moves forward or what motion he makes that he isn’t entitled to in getting up to play the ball? Ok then.

No one is arguing ref conspiracy - straw man

I’ve got no idea what Ricky said on this one. I haven’t watched the press conference.
Giving me a shopping list of questions to answer for you is a waste of my time....try that cheap trick on a second year Law student or something....
I've given you the explanation (which is supported by the ref and video ref).
So take your bait and fish in another pond.
You could start by picking any one of them.

I’ll take the fact that you can’t say CNK advanced or did anything to show that he was doing more than playing the ball as you have 0 argument.

Appealing to the authority of NRL refs as a source of right is when you really know your argument sucks.
Gangers, I disagree with the decision because he was tackled, but CNK clearly got up to try and run again... you need to stop pushing this line
Exactly.
He gets up and advances the ball when Moylan's hand comes off him.
Then gets bundled into touch.
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greeneyed wrote: May 16, 2022, 10:52 pm
gangrenous wrote: May 16, 2022, 9:27 pm Well he got one thing right.

So how the hell did he try and justify it as the right call?
He claimed the referee and bunker were correct in saying CNK wasn’t effectively tackled, and he had the right to play on, and that the Sharks defenders had the right to tackle him again. All of them have erred and they are being horribly inconsistent with their other rulings. They always spin things to their advantage if at all possible.
There you go...exactly how 99.99% of the world saw it...
Or anyone not named gangrenous...
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All CNK had to do was lay on the ground after Moylan's hand slipped off him in the tackle, and slowly get up playing the ball...that's it, end of story...and we wouldn't be talking about the matter...the sharks players were not going to pick him off the ground and drag him backwards.

Instead, he jumps to his feet to have a second run, basically baiting the sharks defenders to tackle him again.

The ref and video ref + rest of the planet (whether you agree or not) believed he wasn't 'held' and was having anther go at the line....

Overall a stupid play given the circumstances, but thankfully we didn't pay for it.
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GreenMachine wrote: May 17, 2022, 9:16 am All CNK had to do was lay on the ground after Moylan's hand slipped off him in the tackle, and slowly get up playing the ball...that's it, end of story...and we wouldn't be talking about the matter...the sharks players were not going to pick him off the ground and drag him backwards.

Instead, he jumps to his feet to have a second run, basically baiting the sharks defenders to tackle him again.

The ref and video ref + rest of the planet (whether you agree or not) believed he wasn't 'held' and was having anther go at the line....

Overall a stupid play given the circumstances, but thankfully we didn't pay for it.
Pretty much it. Had he got up and actually started playing the ball we'd have a case. But he didn't, he wasn't in that posture.

He may have been confused about the call but he just stood up and looked likely to run again, made no move to play it. So he shares some blame.
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Anyone here actually taken a look at a replay?

He stands up and is engaged before he can do anything. He’s perfectly entitled to get up quick and make a quick play the ball. If he waits forever whoever is at dummy half or first receiver is in deep trouble on the line in the corner.

No one has been able to say what CNK did to make it clear he was playing on and there’s a reason for that. If there was anything to latch onto you bet your bottom dollar Annesley would have used it.

And in the end it doesn’t even matter if he mistakenly tried to play on. The tackle is complete by the rules of the game. It’s not up to CNK to decide that.
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19 times out of 20 that tackle is called completed and the ruling goes our way.
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There's 2 separate arguments taking place here:

1. The tackle was completed, and it should've been a play the ball, even when CNK tried to continue on and got bundled into touch, it should've been called back for Held.

And

b. Some people are now trying to claim he got to his feet to play the ball. That's simply not true, he thought he wasn't held and tried to continue on.

You can have one of the above without the other.
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The Nickman wrote: May 18, 2022, 2:21 pm There's 2 separate arguments taking place here:

1. The tackle was completed, and it should've been a play the ball, even when CNK tried to continue on and got bundled into touch, it should've been called back for Held.

And

b. Some people are now trying to claim he got to his feet to play the ball. That's simply not true, he thought he wasn't held and tried to continue on.

You can have one of the above without the other.
This.

Also consider this - in what world would a fullback quickly get to his feet and play the ball a meter away from his try line when his team is still trying to get onside???

The simple answer is that doesn't happen...he was trying to play on quickly after breaking the Moylan Tackle.

As I've said repeatedly, if he were genuinely attempting to play the ball, he would get up slowly and do it in a way that would ensure his teammates were not going to get smashed by the Sharks coming off their own line...he'd be buying time. Which is what every player held close to their try line attempts to do to either get an offside call from the ref for the oncoming rushing defense and/or ensure the player taking the ruck isn't getting dragged over the try line...

So this 'notion' 'theory' ...whatever you want to call it, that CNK was attempting to play the ball quickly is rubbish. He thought he could continue to play (as Moylan fell off the tackle) and got dumped backwards for his trouble...
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It doesn’t matter what CNK thought or even did after the tackle. The referee should have ruled he was tackled in the field of play.
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GreenMachine wrote: May 18, 2022, 2:34 pm
The Nickman wrote: May 18, 2022, 2:21 pm There's 2 separate arguments taking place here:

1. The tackle was completed, and it should've been a play the ball, even when CNK tried to continue on and got bundled into touch, it should've been called back for Held.

And

b. Some people are now trying to claim he got to his feet to play the ball. That's simply not true, he thought he wasn't held and tried to continue on.

You can have one of the above without the other.
This.

Also consider this - in what world would a fullback quickly get to his feet and play the ball a meter away from his try line when his team is still trying to get onside???

The simple answer is that doesn't happen...he was trying to play on quickly after breaking the Moylan Tackle.

As I've said repeatedly, if he were genuinely attempting to play the ball, he would get up slowly and do it in a way that would ensure his teammates were not going to get smashed by the Sharks coming off their own line...he'd be buying time. Which is what every player held close to their try line attempts to do to either get an offside call from the ref for the oncoming rushing defense and/or ensure the player taking the ruck isn't getting dragged over the try line...

So this 'notion' 'theory' ...whatever you want to call it, that CNK was attempting to play the ball quickly is rubbish. He thought he could continue to play (as Moylan fell off the tackle) and got dumped backwards for his trouble...
To be fair though, you were arguing the opposite on Point 1 too, saying he wasn't held.

So you're also wrong.
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greeneyed wrote: May 18, 2022, 2:42 pm It doesn’t matter what CNK thought or even did after the tackle. The referee should have ruled he was tackled in the field of play.
Yeah agreed. I'm just trying to clear up that there seems to be two separate arguments happening here and it's not both or netiher.
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The Nickman wrote: May 18, 2022, 2:44 pm
GreenMachine wrote: May 18, 2022, 2:34 pm
The Nickman wrote: May 18, 2022, 2:21 pm There's 2 separate arguments taking place here:

1. The tackle was completed, and it should've been a play the ball, even when CNK tried to continue on and got bundled into touch, it should've been called back for Held.

And

b. Some people are now trying to claim he got to his feet to play the ball. That's simply not true, he thought he wasn't held and tried to continue on.

You can have one of the above without the other.
This.

Also consider this - in what world would a fullback quickly get to his feet and play the ball a meter away from his try line when his team is still trying to get onside???

The simple answer is that doesn't happen...he was trying to play on quickly after breaking the Moylan Tackle.

As I've said repeatedly, if he were genuinely attempting to play the ball, he would get up slowly and do it in a way that would ensure his teammates were not going to get smashed by the Sharks coming off their own line...he'd be buying time. Which is what every player held close to their try line attempts to do to either get an offside call from the ref for the oncoming rushing defense and/or ensure the player taking the ruck isn't getting dragged over the try line...

So this 'notion' 'theory' ...whatever you want to call it, that CNK was attempting to play the ball quickly is rubbish. He thought he could continue to play (as Moylan fell off the tackle) and got dumped backwards for his trouble...
To be fair though, you were arguing the opposite on Point 1 too, saying he wasn't held.

So you're also wrong.
I was indeed. Still think he wasn't held.
Ref and vid ref seemed to agree with me too.
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greeneyed wrote: May 18, 2022, 2:42 pm It doesn’t matter what CNK thought or even did after the tackle. The referee should have ruled he was tackled in the field of play.
There are countless times in a football match where the ref uses their discretion to apply the rules and IMO this was one of them.

You can freeze frame it and play it over multiple times...in fact the video ref did that.

The conclusion was that Moylan didn't effect a tackle and CNK had 2 options:

1. Lay on the ground and wait for the first shark's player to put hands on him while on the ground with the ball; or

2. Continue with the play - effectively what he did.
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Liam Kennedy not the ref of any game this week......
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The Raiders' unlikely win over the Sharks is one for the ages
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With the Raiders reduced to 11 players at times against the fifth-placed Sharks last weekend, there was an expectation the Green Machine would be overrun before the final whistle.

Two-thirds of the Raiders spine were rookies: half Brad Schnieder is still finding his way and starting hooker Zac Woolford was making his debut.

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Two thirds of a four man spine?
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The Nickman wrote:Two thirds of a four man spine?
you heard him

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What is two thirds of four ?
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-PJ- wrote: May 19, 2022, 6:29 am What is two thirds of four ?
Two point six six recurring (2.67)
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The Nickman wrote: May 18, 2022, 9:32 pm Two thirds of a four man spine?
Tim: I'll be dead in the cold cold ground before I recognise 5/8 as a spine position.
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We had a 5 man spine! 5!
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zim wrote: May 19, 2022, 10:58 am We had a 5 man spine! 5!
So 3.33 recurring players?
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Exactly.
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I thought 2/3rds of 4 was **** all?
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2/3rds is 66%.

So 66% of our 5 man spine were rookies.
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-PJ- wrote: May 19, 2022, 2:32 pm 2/3rds is 66%.

So 66% of our 5 man spine were rookies.
So 3.33 recurring players?
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I’d be willing to bet Tim Gavel’s been giving the Pom poms a furious shake all week
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