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Raiders induct four more members into Club Hall of Fame



The Canberra Raiders have announced four more premiership players into their Hall of Fame, at tonight’s 40th Anniversary Gala.

The four new members were all part of the club’s premiership winning side of 1994 and join several of their former teammates in the club Hall of Fame.

Paul Osborne (Raider #132), Brett Hetherington (Raider #134), Quentin Pongia (Raider #149) and Noa Nadruku (Raider #151) had the honour of being inducted by the 2021 inductees who were announced earlier this season at the club’s online season launch.

Read more: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2022/05 ... l-of-fame/

VIDEO: Quentin Pongia: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2022/05 ... in-pongia/

VIDEO: Brett Hetherington: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2022/05 ... herington/

VIDEO: Noa Nadruku: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2022/05 ... a-nadruku/

VIDEO: Paul Osborne: https://www.raiders.com.au/news/2022/05 ... l-osborne/

Quentin Pongia one of four Canberra Raiders hall of fame inductees

In a special moment, Quentin Pongia's family were on hand as the Canberra Raiders honoured the life of one of the toughest players ever to wear lime green. Pongia tragically died of bowel cancer in 2019, aged just 48. He was one of four inductees into the Green Machine's hall of fame on Saturday night - with all of them playing in the Raiders' 1994 premiership. Pongia's brother Brendon accepted the honour on his behalf.

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The club is admitting far too many players at one time into the Hall of Fame, in my view. I’m not arguing with these admissions, far from it. But we’re running out of true greats of the club… that’s eight this year (I know we missed a year due to COVID, but…) Four every year is too many.
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Watch the Noa Nadruku highlights on the website.

Congrats to the four new inductees. Hope our team was inspired by the old boys at the 40th anniversary dinner and look forward to seeing some photos of the evening.
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greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2022, 12:28 am The club is admitting far too many players at one time into the Hall of Fame, in my view. I’m not arguing with these admissions, far from it. But we’re running out of true greats of the club… that’s eight this year (I know we missed a year due to COVID, but…) Four every year is too many.
Is the club doing anything right in your eyes GE? :(

I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing AND I know we have many many many more greats of the club to pick. Remember they dont have to be just players!
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cat wrote: May 8, 2022, 9:56 am
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2022, 12:28 am The club is admitting far too many players at one time into the Hall of Fame, in my view. I’m not arguing with these admissions, far from it. But we’re running out of true greats of the club… that’s eight this year (I know we missed a year due to COVID, but…) Four every year is too many.
Is the club doing anything right in your eyes GE? :(

I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing AND I know we have many many many more greats of the club to pick. Remember they dont have to be just players!
I’m not sure where the line sits but GE has a fair point. There are a lot of achievements or milestones in an NRL players life. First grade debut, rep honours, premierships, 50 games, 100 games etc. Hall of fame should be the highest club honour and as far as I’m aware it isn’t tiered. So if we say Mal is an unquestionable legend of the club the benchmark for me whether you’d categorise other players in the same discussion as Mal. We often do - “The raiders had great players like Mal, Laurie, Ricky and Clyde”. We also have discussions about our great wingers or great forwards. I think this is the measure for me and if we are inducting people who’s names aren’t coming up in those discussions then I wonder if we are over reaching a bit.
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greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2022, 12:28 am The club is admitting far too many players at one time into the Hall of Fame, in my view. I’m not arguing with these admissions, far from it. But we’re running out of true greats of the club… that’s eight this year (I know we missed a year due to COVID, but…) Four every year is too many.
Not disagreeing with you GE, and not putting you on the spot to name names, but can I clarify, are you concerned how quickly we are naming all our legends, or that the standard we are applying might not be high enough?
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Congrats to those four, all worthy. With out the bull ****.

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Billy Walker wrote: May 8, 2022, 10:35 am
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2022, 12:28 am The club is admitting far too many players at one time into the Hall of Fame, in my view. I’m not arguing with these admissions, far from it. But we’re running out of true greats of the club… that’s eight this year (I know we missed a year due to COVID, but…) Four every year is too many.
Not disagreeing with you GE, and not putting you on the spot to name names, but can I clarify, are you concerned how quickly we are naming all our legends, or that the standard we are applying might not be high enough?
As posted, I'm not suggesting the players named last night are not deserved recipients of the honour.

I do think that the bar has to pretty high for something like a Hall of Fame. There are 110 players in the NRL Hall of Fame, that's about one player for every season of rugby league in Australia. That's a pretty good guide on how exclusive the selections have to be - in my view.

The Raiders' Hall of Fame started in 2019, and 16 players and one coach were included. Since, one coach and 11 players have been added. Four were added in 2020, and eight this year. That is a total of 29 from 40 seasons. Just about all the players who have won a Grand Final with the club have now been included. At four per year, they're going to hit 40 pretty quickly. There are certainly players from the modern era who will deserve inclusion, but you shouldn't really consider players for this sort of honour until they've been retired for a while. Thus, my conclusion, they'll do well to slow down the rate of new inductees.
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greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2022, 12:10 pm
Billy Walker wrote: May 8, 2022, 10:35 am
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2022, 12:28 am The club is admitting far too many players at one time into the Hall of Fame, in my view. I’m not arguing with these admissions, far from it. But we’re running out of true greats of the club… that’s eight this year (I know we missed a year due to COVID, but…) Four every year is too many.
Not disagreeing with you GE, and not putting you on the spot to name names, but can I clarify, are you concerned how quickly we are naming all our legends, or that the standard we are applying might not be high enough?
As posted, I'm not suggesting the players named last night are not deserved recipients of the honour.

I do think that the bar has to pretty high for something like a Hall of Fame. There are 110 players in the NRL Hall of Fame, that's about one player for every season of rugby league in Australia. That's a pretty good guide on how exclusive the selections have to be - in my view.

The Raiders' Hall of Fame started in 2019, and 16 players and one coach were included. Since, one coach and 11 players have been added. Four were added in 2020, and eight this year. That is a total of 29 from 40 seasons. Just about all the players who have won a Grand Final with the club have now been included. At four per year, they're going to hit 40 pretty quickly. There are certainly players from the modern era who will deserve inclusion, but you shouldn't really consider players for this sort of honour until they've been retired for a while. Thus, my conclusion, they'll do well to slow down the rate of new inductees.
That’s a fair call. I guess the NRL also bought in an additional tier of immortal that separates the legends from the absolute elite. There is probably no right or wrong to these things but agree that it loses it’s exclusivity if the net is cast too wide, too quickly.
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One of the best nights I’ll never forget in my life

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greeneyed wrote:
Billy Walker wrote: May 8, 2022, 10:35 am
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2022, 12:28 am The club is admitting far too many players at one time into the Hall of Fame, in my view. I’m not arguing with these admissions, far from it. But we’re running out of true greats of the club… that’s eight this year (I know we missed a year due to COVID, but…) Four every year is too many.
Not disagreeing with you GE, and not putting you on the spot to name names, but can I clarify, are you concerned how quickly we are naming all our legends, or that the standard we are applying might not be high enough?
As posted, I'm not suggesting the players named last night are not deserved recipients of the honour.

I do think that the bar has to pretty high for something like a Hall of Fame. There are 110 players in the NRL Hall of Fame, that's about one player for every season of rugby league in Australia. That's a pretty good guide on how exclusive the selections have to be - in my view.

The Raiders' Hall of Fame started in 2019, and 16 players and one coach were included. Since, one coach and 11 players have been added. Four were added in 2020, and eight this year. That is a total of 29 from 40 seasons. Just about all the players who have won a Grand Final with the club have now been included. At four per year, they're going to hit 40 pretty quickly. There are certainly players from the modern era who will deserve inclusion, but you shouldn't really consider players for this sort of honour until they've been retired for a while. Thus, my conclusion, they'll do well to slow down the rate of new inductees.
To be fair, once we get into players from the 00’s, it’ll settle down a bit. Slim pickings for candidates. Alan Tongue, Phil Graham, Demetri Pelo
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Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: May 8, 2022, 6:11 pm To be fair, once we get into players from the 00’s, it’ll settle down a bit. Slim pickings for candidates. Alan Tongue, Phil Graham, Demetri Pelo
That's sort of my point Fui.
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Yeah and I’m kinda agreeing with you General. Let in all the obvious 80s and 90s legends, then it’ll settle down for decades
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Hard not to induct that 94 GF team entirely plus Lomax, still if not the best club team to play a match.

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I personally wouldn't induct Paul Osborne, to be perfectly honest.
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The Nickman wrote:I personally wouldn't induct Paul Osborne, to be perfectly honest.
Agree. Maybe Paul Osborne for the tent of fame.
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Paul Osborne’s speech on the night was something else, reduced the function to tears.


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Brew wrote: May 9, 2022, 11:44 am Paul Osborne’s speech on the night was something else, reduced the function to tears.


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Brew wrote: May 9, 2022, 11:44 am Paul Osborne’s speech on the night was something else, reduced the function to tears.


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There were a few emotional speeches, Pongia’s brother was special, and Noa’s wife of his they came to choose Canberra and where they came from.

But Ozzie yeah loves the club, champion guy. I’m not getting into a debate if he should of been picked in the Hall Of Fame, but man he spoke from the heart, was really touching.


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Brew wrote: May 9, 2022, 4:16 pm
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Brew wrote: May 9, 2022, 11:44 am Paul Osborne’s speech on the night was something else, reduced the function to tears.


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There were a few emotional speeches, Pongia’s brother was special, and Noa’s wife of his they came to choose Canberra and where they came from.

But Ozzie yeah loves the club, champion guy. I’m not getting into a debate if he should of been picked in the Hall Of Fame, but man he spoke from the heart, was really touching.


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greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2022, 6:43 pm
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: May 8, 2022, 6:11 pm To be fair, once we get into players from the 00’s, it’ll settle down a bit. Slim pickings for candidates. Alan Tongue, Phil Graham, Demetri Pelo
That's sort of my point Fui.
Once the GF winners are all in, it's gonna get quiet, fast
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Osborne and Hetherington. Hall of Fame?

Seriously? Two good passes in a grand final grants you a HoF spot now? He barely played 50 games for the club.

Hetherington didn't even play 150 games and wasn't near rep level. On what basis does he get a gig?

C'mon now.

Those two nominations are a joke.


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Matt wrote:
greeneyed wrote: May 8, 2022, 6:43 pm
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote: May 8, 2022, 6:11 pm To be fair, once we get into players from the 00’s, it’ll settle down a bit. Slim pickings for candidates. Alan Tongue, Phil Graham, Demetri Pelo
That's sort of my point Fui.
Once the GF winners are all in, it's gonna get quiet, fast
Then it will be the 2019 Grand Finalists lol


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Seiffert82 wrote:Osborne and Hetherington. Hall of Fame?

Seriously? Two good passes in a grand final grants you a HoF spot now? He barely played 50 games for the club.

Hetherington didn't even play 150 games and wasn't near rep level. On what basis does he get a gig?

C'mon now.

Those two nominations are a joke.
I'm ok with Ozzie on the basis of GF hero, same as Steve Jackson

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The Nickman wrote: May 9, 2022, 10:03 am I personally wouldn't induct Paul Osborne, to be perfectly honest.
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I feel its reasonable to hold views about who is a worthy HoF inductee or otherwise, but poor form to express those views.
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Billy Walker wrote:I feel its reasonable to hold views about who is a worthy HoF inductee or otherwise, but poor form to express those views.
Open slather on current players though?

Don't be silly Billy.

Furthermore, I've had the misfortune of meeting Paul Osbourne in person a few times. Not only is he unworthy of a HoF position for his generally ordinary career, I've actually held back on what I really want to say about the bloke.


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Seiffert82 wrote: May 10, 2022, 7:21 am
Billy Walker wrote:I feel its reasonable to hold views about who is a worthy HoF inductee or otherwise, but poor form to express those views.
Open slather on current players though?

Don't be silly Billy.

Furthermore, I've had the misfortune of meeting Paul Osbourne in person a few times. Not only is he unworthy of a HoF position for his generally ordinary career, I've actually held back on what I really want to say about the bloke.
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Is this a bag the EX players thread?

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