2021 NRL Round 16: Teams and Game Day

[The Greenhouse]

2021 NRL Round 16: Teams and Game Day

THURSDAY

Sydney Roosters v Melbourne Storm at Hunter Stadium, 7:50pm

Roosters: 1. James Tedesco 2. Daniel Tupou 3. Josh Morris 4. Joseph Manu 5. Matt Ikuvalu 6. Lachlan Lam 7. Sam Walker 8. Jared Waerea-Hargreaves 9. Sam Verrills 10. Siosiua Taukeiaho 11. Angus Crichton 12. Sitili Tupouniua 13. Isaac Liu 14. Adam Keighran 15. Egan Butcher 16. Daniel Suluka-Fifita 17. Fletcher Baker 18. Drew Hutchison 19. Ben Thomas 20. Freddy Lussick 21. Joseph Suaalii

Storm:1. Nicholas Hynes 2. George Jennings 3. Reimis Smith 4. Justin Olam 5. Josh Addo-Carr 6. Cameron Munster 7. Jahrome Hughes 8. Jesse Bromwich 9. Brandon Smith 10. Christian Welch 11. Felise Kaufusi 12. Kenneath Bromwich 13. Dale Finucane 14. Aaron Booth 15. Tui Kamikamica 16. Chris Lewis 17. Aaron Pene 18. Cooper Johns 19. Jordan Grant 20. Dean Ieremia 21. Trent Loiero

FRIDAY

New Zealand Warriors v St George Illawarra Dragons at Central Coast Stadium, 6:00pm

Warriors: 1. Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 2. Dallin Watene-Zelezniak 3. Adam Pompey 4. Marcelo Montoya 5. Edward Kosi 6. Kodi Nikorima 7. Chad Townsend 8. Addin Fonua-Blake 9. Wayde Egan 10. Kane Evans 11. Eliesa Katoa 12. Ben Murdoch-Masila 13. Tohu Harris 14. Jazz Tevaga 15. Leeson Ah Mau 16. Bunty Afoa 17. Bayley Sironen 18. Rocco Berry 20. Jack Murchie 21. Taniela Otukolo 22. Sean O’Sullivan

Dragons: 1. Matthew Dufty 2. Cody Ramsey 3. Brayden Wiliame 4. Jack Bird 5. Gerard Beale 6. Corey Norman 7. Ben Hunt 8. Blake Lawrie 9. Andrew McCullough 10. Paul Vaughan 11. Josh Kerr 12. Tariq Sims 13. Jack de Belin 14. Josh Mcguire 15. Billy Burns 16. Daniel Alvaro 17. Tyrell Fuimaono 18. Adam Clune 19. Jackson Ford 20. Kaide Ellis 21. Jordan Pereira

Penrith Panthers v Parramatta Eels at Penrith Stadium, 7:55pm

Panthers: 1. Charlie Staines 2. Brent Naden 3. Stephen Crichton 4. Tyrone May 5. Brian To’o 6. Matt Burton 7. Jarome Luai 8. Moses Leota 9. Apisai Koroisau 10. James Fisher-Harris 11. Viliame Kikau 12. Kurt Capewell 13. Isaah Yeo 14. Mitch Kenny 15. Scott Sorensen 16. Spencer Leniu 17. Liam Martin 18. Izack Tago 19. Jaeman Salmon 20. Matthew Eisenhuth 21. Taylan May

Eels: 1. Clinton Gutherson 2. Maika Sivo 3. Tom Opacic 4. Waqa Blake 5. Haze Dunster 6. Dylan Brown 7. Mitchell Moses 8. Reagan Campbell-Gillard 9. Joey Lussick 10. Junior Paulo 11. Isaiah Papali’i 12. Ryan Matterson 13. Nathan Brown 14. Marata Niukore 15. Shaun Lane 16. Oregon Kaufusi 17. Bryce Cartwright 18. Viliami Penisini 19. Will Smith 20. Sean Russell 21. Jakob Arthur

SATURDAY

Canterbury Bulldogs v Manly Sea Eagles at Western Sydney Stadium, 3:00pm

Bulldogs: 1. Nick Meaney 2. Corey Allan 3. Will Hopoate 4. Falakiko Manu 5. Tuipulotu Katoa 6. Kyle Flanagan 7. Jake Averillo 8. Jack Hetherington 9. Jeremy Marshall-King 10. Luke Thompson 11. Jackson Topine 12. Matt Doorey 13. Josh Jackson 14. Bailey Biondi-Odo 15. Joe Stimson 16. Ava Seumanufagai 17. Chris Patolo 19. Lachlan Lewis 20. Ofahiki Ogden 21. Renouf Atoni 22. Watson Heleta

Sea Eagles: 1. Tom Trbojevic 2. Jason Saab 3. Brad Parker 4. Morgan Harper 5. Reuben Garrick 6. Kieran Foran 7. Daly Cherry-Evans 8. Taniela Paseka 9. Lachlan Croker 10. Martin Taupau 11. Haumole Olakau’atu 12. Karl Lawton 13. Sean Keppie 14. Dylan Walker 15. Ben Trbojevic 16. Kurt De Luis 17. Toafofoa Sipley 18. Moses Suli 19. Cade Cust 20. Tevita Funa 21. Jack Gosiewski

Canberra Raiders v Gold Coast Titans at Canberra Stadium, 5:30pm

Raiders: 1. Bailey Simonsson 2. Semi Valemei 3. Jarrod Croker 4. Sebastian Kris 5. Jordan Rapana 6. Jack Wighton 7. Sam Williams 8. Josh Papalii 9. Josh Hodgson 10. Dunamis Lui 11. Corey Harawira-Naera 12. Elliott Whitehead 13. Ryan Sutton 14. Tom Starling 15. Emre Guler 16. Iosia Soliola 17. Joseph Tapine 18. Matthew Timoko 19. Hudson Young 20. Matt Frawley 21. Ryan James

Titans: 1. Alexander Brimson 2. Phillip Sami 3. Brian Kelly 4. Patrick Herbert 5. Corey Thompson 6. Ashley Taylor 7. Jamal Fogarty 8. Jarrod Wallace 9. Erin Clark 10. Tino Fa’asuamaleaui 11. Kevin Proctor 12. David Fifita 13. Tyrone Peachey 14. Beau Fermor 15. Sam Lisone 16. Moeaki Fotuaika 17. Jaimin Jolliffe 18. Sam Stone 19. Sam McIntyre 20. Mitch Rein 21. Jayden Campbell

Newcastle Knights v North Queensland Cowboys at Hunter Stadium, 7:35pm

Knights: 1. Kalyn Ponga 2. Dominic Young 3. Kurt Mann 4. Enari Tuala 5. Hymel Hunt 6. Jake Clifford 7. Mitchell Pearce 8. Jacob Saifiti 9. Jayden Brailey 10. Daniel Saifiti 11. Mitchell Barnett 12. Lachlan Fitzgibbon 13. Sauaso Sue 14. Connor Watson 15. David Klemmer 16. Josh King 17. Brodie Jones 18. Jack Johns 19. Phoenix Crossland 20. Simi Sasagi 21. Jirah Momoisea

Cowboys: 1. Valentine Holmes 2. Kyle Feldt 3. Javid Bowen 4. Hamiso Tabuai-Fidow 5. Murray Taulagi 6. Scott Drinkwater 7. Tom Dearden 8. Coen Hess 9. Reece Robson 10. Jordan McLean 11. Shane Wright 12. Mitchell Dunn 13. Jason Taumalolo 14. Jake Granville 15. Tom Gilbert 16. Lachlan Burr 17. Francis Molo 18. Peter Hola 19. Daejarn Asi 20. Connelly Lemuelu 21. Heilum Luki

SUNDAY

Brisbane Broncos v Cronulla Sharks at Lang Park, 2:00pm

Broncos: 1. Tesi Niu 2. Jamayne Isaako 3. Herbie Farnworth 4. Kotoni Staggs 5. Corey Oates 6. Tyson Gamble 7. Brodie Croft 8. Matthew Lodge 9. Jake Turpin 10. Payne Haas 11. Alex Glenn 12. TC Robati 13. Thomas Flegler 14. Cory Paix 15. Kobe Hetherington 16. Keenan Palasia 17. Jesse Arthars 18. Jordan Riki 19. Rhys Kennedy 20. David Mead 21. Anthony Milford

Sharks: 1. Will Kennedy 2. Connor Tracey 3. Will Chambers 4. Jesse Ramien 5. Ronaldo Mulitalo 6. Matt Moylan 7. Shaun Johnson 8. Aiden Tolman 9. Blayke Brailey 10. Aaron Woods 11. Briton Nikora 12. Siosifa Talakai 13. Toby Rudolf 14. Braydon Trindall 15. Teig Wilton 16. Jack Williams 17. Braden Hamlin-Uele 18. Billy Magoulias 19. Sione Katoa 20. Andrew Fifita 21. Mawene Hiroti

Wests Tigers v South Sydney Rabbitohs at Leichhardt Oval, 4:05pm

Tigers: 1. Daine Laurie 2. David Nofoaluma 3. James Roberts 4. Adam Doueihi 5. Ken Maumalo 6. Moses Mbye 7. Luke Brooks 8. James Tamou 9. Jacob Liddle 10. Alex Twal 11. Luke Garner 12. Luciano Leilua 13. Alex Seyfarth 14. Stefano Utoikamanu 15. Shawn Blore 16. Thomas Mikaele 17. Joe Ofahengaue 18. Michael Chee-Kam 19. Tom Amone 20. Fetalaiga Pauga 21. Jake Simpkin

Rabbitohs: 1. Latrell Mitchell 2. Alex Johnston 3. Dane Gagai 4. Campbell Graham 5. Taane Milne 6. Cody Walker 7. Adam Reynolds 8. Mark Nicholls 9. Damien Cook 10. Hame Sele 11. Keaon Koloamatangi 12. Jai Arrow 13. Cameron Murray 14. Benji Marshall 15. Liam Knight 16. Thomas Burgess 17. Jacob Host 18. Braidon Burns 19. Jaydn Su’A 20. Blake Taaffe 21. Josh Mansour

[Canberra Milk]

Nicho Hynes just looks good because of the Melbourne system! Lucky we didn't sign him, too risky!!

[gerg]

Roosters started ok but it's all fallen apart in the last 10 minutes.

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[afgtnk]

How good's Vlandysball??

[Canberra Milk]

Another score blowout. Yawn

[Canberra Milk]

Shorten the 10 metres to 7, and make the scorer kick off. It has to happen. If not, teams need to start utilising short kick offs and whatnot

I think the problem is the NRL have made so many rule changes that people are wary of more, so we may be stuck with this now

[Botman]

Shorten the 10 metres to 7, and make the scorer kick off. It has to happen. If not, teams need to start utilising short kick offs and whatnot

I think the problem is the NRL have made so many rule changes that people are wary of more, so we may be stuck with this now

Has to happen? haha. Settle down, Pete.
The 10 to 7 idea is a MASSIVE change that couldnt possibly be put in place without serious stress testing
The scorer kick rule was trialed and it made 2/5ths of full all difference. No earthly idea why you're so hung up on that

[Canberra Milk]

Has to happen!!

[Northern Raider]

Raiders conceding 34 points to Storm is one of the better defensive performances against them.

[afgtnk]

Just wait until they lose Hynes and Addo-Carr and Brenko Lee and some other random player

Bellamy will be finally exposed for the fraud he is

[gerg]

Shorten the 10 metres to 7, and make the scorer kick off. It has to happen. If not, teams need to start utilising short kick offs and whatnot

I think the problem is the NRL have made so many rule changes that people are wary of more, so we may be stuck with this now

Has to happen? haha. Settle down, Pete.
The 10 to 7 idea is a MASSIVE change that couldnt possibly be put in place without serious stress testing
The scorer kick rule was trialed and it made 2/5ths of full all difference. No earthly idea why you're so hung up on that

Seven metres is a little too much and not confusing enough for the referees. I think 6.3 metres would be better.

On a more serious note, where does Hynes go when Papenhuyzen comes back. Roving lock perhaps?

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[Northern Raider]

At the moment Papenhuysen could return via the bench

[-TW-]

Another V'Landys Ball blowout

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[-TW-]

Storm have scored 40 10 times this season

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[Botman]

Shorten the 10 metres to 7, and make the scorer kick off. It has to happen. If not, teams need to start utilising short kick offs and whatnot

I think the problem is the NRL have made so many rule changes that people are wary of more, so we may be stuck with this now

Has to happen? haha. Settle down, Pete.
The 10 to 7 idea is a MASSIVE change that couldnt possibly be put in place without serious stress testing
The scorer kick rule was trialed and it made 2/5ths of full all difference. No earthly idea why you're so hung up on that

Seven metres is a little too much and not confusing enough for the referees. I think 6.3 metres would be better.

On a more serious note, where does Hynes go when Papenhuyzen comes back. Roving lock perhaps?

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Re Hynes
He’s too good to leave out, but you’d not play in the halves over Hughes or Munster, and Pap is better
I’d probably just play him at centre over Reimis Smith or Wing over Jennings
No way he’s not an upgrade on those players

[greeneyed]

Shorten the 10 metres to 7, and make the scorer kick off. It has to happen. If not, teams need to start utilising short kick offs and whatnot

I think the problem is the NRL have made so many rule changes that people are wary of more, so we may be stuck with this now

Has to happen? haha. Settle down, Pete.
The 10 to 7 idea is a MASSIVE change that couldnt possibly be put in place without serious stress testing
The scorer kick rule was trialed and it made 2/5ths of full all difference. No earthly idea why you're so hung up on that

You mean like how all the other Vlandysball rule changes were stress tested?

Seriously, no rule changes now until the end of the season. And most of the rule changes of the past two years should then just be unwound.

[Canberra Milk]

Shorten the 10 metres to 7, and make the scorer kick off. It has to happen. If not, teams need to start utilising short kick offs and whatnot

I think the problem is the NRL have made so many rule changes that people are wary of more, so we may be stuck with this now

Has to happen? haha. Settle down, Pete.
The 10 to 7 idea is a MASSIVE change that couldnt possibly be put in place without serious stress testing
The scorer kick rule was trialed and it made 2/5ths of full all difference. No earthly idea why you're so hung up on that

Seven metres is a little too much and not confusing enough for the referees. I think 6.3 metres would be better.

On a more serious note, where does Hynes go when Papenhuyzen comes back. Roving lock perhaps?

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Having been a ref, it's not that hard and I think you'll find it's fairly intuitive. Reducing the ten metres mitigates the over-fatigue that's been brought in since V-ball, without losing the benefits of the six again rule. It softens the blow. Going up and back 10 metres every tackle contributes a *lot* to the current fatigue

The scorer kicking off 69, what era are you saying it was trialled? Are you saying '97? If so then that's far too long ago to judge, the game was very different and not nearly as subject to momentum swings. Kick-offs do contribute to momentum gluts and reversing them will make a dent in Vlandysball in my opinion... Ok to be fair I can't know for sure until it's trialled but I can't see how it won't. Kick-offs give you the ball again, kicking to the opposition doesn't

[-TW-]

Shorten the 10 metres to 7, and make the scorer kick off. It has to happen. If not, teams need to start utilising short kick offs and whatnot

I think the problem is the NRL have made so many rule changes that people are wary of more, so we may be stuck with this now

Has to happen? haha. Settle down, Pete.
The 10 to 7 idea is a MASSIVE change that couldnt possibly be put in place without serious stress testing
The scorer kick rule was trialed and it made 2/5ths of full all difference. No earthly idea why you're so hung up on that

You mean like how all the other Vlandysball rule changes were stress tested?

Seriously, no rule changes now until the end of the season. And most of the rule changes of the past two years should then just be unwound.

In their defence these rules have been used before, in dead rubber games and in the all stars game

They just stink

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[Canberra Milk]

The other option is just to reverse the changes... I do like the six again though, just want its momentum effects mitigated

But surely it can't continue like this

[-TW-]

The other option is just to reverse the changes... I do like the six again though, just want its momentum effects mitigated

But surely it can't continue like this

Reverse the set restart for offsides, leave it for the ruck.

It was tolerable last year, but there is no way to arrest momentum anymore

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[Northern Raider]

The other option is just to reverse the changes... I do like the six again though, just want its momentum effects mitigated

But surely it can't continue like this

Reverse the set restart for offsides, leave it for the ruck.

It was tolerable last year, but there is no way to arrest momentum anymore

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Yep, that one was the tipping point. Inside the 10m = penalty.

[gangrenous]

The other option is just to reverse the changes... I do like the six again though, just want its momentum effects mitigated

But surely it can't continue like this

Reverse the set restart for offsides, leave it for the ruck.

It was tolerable last year, but there is no way to arrest momentum anymore

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But what’s that saying? The way to arrest momentum is to be offside or deliberately give away a penalty.

That’s hard to swallow that the fix is promoting illegal play.

[-TW-]

Then again if you remove the ruck restart you bring back all the wrestle

Unless you bring in something like a powerplay where if you conceed a penalty you're removed from the game until the next set you have the ball/conceed points.. I don't really know where else to go

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[Canberra Milk]

I feel like all the changes this year made a dent. Getting rid of scrums for certain plays, reducing the bunker time...

I thought there was too much momentum gluts even last year and earlier though, hence I want to take more drastic measures. But I could settle for just a bit of a wind-back

[Canberra Milk]

The Ricky Stuart esque model of "pick and drive", one out, grinding up the middle with outside backs... I think a long 10 metres facilitates that too. The main strategy is to get the defensive line moving backwards, which becomes more important than actual creative play. The pick and drive strategy should be less effective with a shorter 10

[gerg]

For me the biggest blight on the game in the last 20 years has been the wrestle and ruck slowdown. I'm enjoying the football and I hope they stick with the changes, as they are and the crap teams get better.

As I've said countless times many people, especially raiders fans look back as the 90s being the peak of rugby league and what made that era great - aside from our period of success - was great attacking football largely attributable to fatigue.

Melbourne and Penrith are great teams to watch. They have wonderful structures and have some great players that are able to play what's in front of them. Other teams need to get better.

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[Canberra Milk]

This is much more severe than the 90s. There weren't constant drubbings back then. We were good, but we didn't beat the 5th placed team 46-0. There were low scoring games. Coming back to win from say 18-2 was historic

Something's amiss at the moment, if you're enjoying it you're the minority

[BJ]

I’m certainly not enjoying the blowouts.

I wouldn’t mind the Netball approach to kickoffs where each a taken in turn.

For example Storm Kickoff, then Roosters, then Storm again. No matter who scored the points.

[-PJ-]

I’m certainly not enjoying the blowouts.

I wouldn’t mind the Netball approach to kickoffs where each a taken in turn.

For example Storm Kickoff, then Roosters, then Storm again. No matter who scored the points.

The Netball has been fantastic..

[gangrenous]

This is much more severe than the 90s. There weren't constant drubbings back then. We were good, but we didn't beat the 5th placed team 46-0. There were low scoring games. Coming back to win from say 18-2 was historic

Something's amiss at the moment, if you're enjoying it you're the minority

It’s arguably much more severe than the 90s because it was a snap change. It could be worth giving it another season or two for squads to adjust body type, and for the stubborn **** coaches to recognise the game changed and their tactics suck.

[Northern Raider]

Should we tell the Storm and Panthers to stop being so good? That would reduce a lot of blow-outs.

[GreenMachine]

I can barely watch our own rubbish matches, let alone the garbage under these new rules…. Saw it from a mile away…
Sourcing a PlayStation 5 was my best entertainment decision for 2021.

[gerg]

This is much more severe than the 90s. There weren't constant drubbings back then. We were good, but we didn't beat the 5th placed team 46-0. There were low scoring games. Coming back to win from say 18-2 was historic

Something's amiss at the moment, if you're enjoying it you're the minority

It’s arguably much more severe than the 90s because it was a snap change. It could be worth giving it another season or two for squads to adjust body type, and for the stubborn **** coaches to recognise the game changed and their tactics suck.

Yes. Last nights game would be very different if both sides were at full strength.

We should be aspiring for more sides looking like Melbourne and Penrith rather than encouraging mediocrity by changing the rules, so teams at the bottom don't get their arses handed to them.

The majority of our fans concede that Ricky and our coaching staff have got it horribly wrong. The same people who complained about 'referees game management' are complaining now that the best teams are too good.

Edit: if we were playing like Melbourne or Penrith none of us would be complaining about anything.

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[Botman]

Shorten the 10 metres to 7, and make the scorer kick off. It has to happen. If not, teams need to start utilising short kick offs and whatnot

I think the problem is the NRL have made so many rule changes that people are wary of more, so we may be stuck with this now

Has to happen? haha. Settle down, Pete.
The 10 to 7 idea is a MASSIVE change that couldnt possibly be put in place without serious stress testing
The scorer kick rule was trialed and it made 2/5ths of full all difference. No earthly idea why you're so hung up on that

Seven metres is a little too much and not confusing enough for the referees. I think 6.3 metres would be better.

On a more serious note, where does Hynes go when Papenhuyzen comes back. Roving lock perhaps?

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Having been a ref, it's not that hard and I think you'll find it's fairly intuitive. Reducing the ten metres mitigates the over-fatigue that's been brought in since V-ball, without losing the benefits of the six again rule. It softens the blow. Going up and back 10 metres every tackle contributes a *lot* to the current fatigue

The scorer kicking off 69, what era are you saying it was trialled? Are you saying '97? If so then that's far too long ago to judge, the game was very different and not nearly as subject to momentum swings. Kick-offs do contribute to momentum gluts and reversing them will make a dent in Vlandysball in my opinion... Ok to be fair I can't know for sure until it's trialled but I can't see how it won't. Kick-offs give you the ball again, kicking to the opposition doesn't

7 metres may be "intuitive" for a referee but it's a fundamental change to the game that could actually make matters worse, not better re: blow outs. We dont know because we've been at 10 metres since basically the age of professionalism

As for scorers kick off, SL tried it thinking the same thing about producing closer game.
https://www.rugbyleagueproject.org/seas ... sults.html

I havent done any statistical breakdown on these results compared to others at the time, but it doesnt look to have stopped good teams from blowing out bad teams and presumably the decision makers looked at the data given SL brought it in to increase competitive games and found it really didnt do ****.
Also it was bad, it sucked. Made no sense.

Again i dont know why you're utterly fixated on this being some magic solution
You want to know the solution? Git gud.

Teams have to adapt, adjust and get good. With the Roosters (when not decimated by injury), Storm and Panthers you have three different routes to extremely good football teams... now a club like ours? We cant do the roosters model, but we can do Penrith and Melbourne.
A club like Souths, probably cant do Penrith, but could do the roosters model.
A club like the titans certainly can do and have tried the Roosters model. Brisbane and Canterbury could probably do any of them. There is a blueprint there for any club to follow, but the catch is they have to go and actually find themselves a good HC and quality back of house.... dont want to do that? Are unable to do it? that's your problem

These rule changes have been very drastic, and implemented in a less than ideal way... however every club was at the mercy of this. We had every chance to do as some clubs did and be clever enough to get in front of it. We didnt, and the clubs that did were unsurprisingly the ones with the best coaches... Imagine my surprise...

Until the other clubs like ours catch up, there will be a divide... but here's the rub, there is nothing stopping any club from catching up in terms of the tactics and how the game is played, and certainly the success those clubs are having has and will continue to produce turn over in those rosters, that's how a salary cap sport works

The reality is sometimes this **** happens in sport. Sometimes a team or a group of teams finds its way to the top and dominates for a period of time, and the only sport where it doesnt eventually normalise and those teams fall and others rise, is in Soccer where there is no salary cap and good teams can continue to outspend others to remain good.

2-3 years from now, this too will normalise.

[Canberra Milk]

There's two separate (but related) issues here though. There's the score blowouts, and then separately, there's the momentum gluts. Tries are scored in clusters now. I don't like that alone, I don't enjoy it as a viewer, I think it reduces the arm wrestle component.

I think it does also lead to momentum "tipping points" where a team can get so much momentum against them that it's very hard for them come back (hence being related to score blowouts). This is intuitive to any footy fan: just think of a game where you had to do a lot of defence early, which tired you out at the back end of the game

Other teams getting good does not reduce the inherent variability that comes with a heavily momentum based game. It might mitigate it, potentially entirely but I doubt it

Anyway I would change it to reduce momentum gluts alone, any dent in score blowouts is a bonus

Those 1997 scores... the game didn't have anywhere near the momentum shifts back then, so they don't apply