2022

[Seiffert82]

I know you mean George Williams was good in Defence, S82, but just thought I'd clarify you were not referring to Sam.

I'm not looking for anything other than a service FG halfback in Jamal. I'm looking forward to a Top 8 finish.

Haha, yep good point.

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[Billy Walker]

I suspect we will probably start the season rolling out Croker in the centres, and in that case I think an 11th place finish is probably a fair estimate.

Savage instead of CNK, anyone instead of Croker and somebody younger instead of Whitehead and Rapa and we should make the 8.

I really hope we are all wrong about Croker, but I doubt it.

I have a sneaking suspicion Smelly won't be on an edge, and therefore his mins will be capped.

Rapa seems to be an "exception to the rule" kinda guy. So let's ride that wave til he it goes flat.

Yep - Rapa and Smelly have been great but would love to see some of the young kids step it up to a new level. The ultimate for me would be if we were chock full of so many exceptionally talented young guns that Papa and Jack couldn’t crack the team we’d be flying, but that is dreaming. I do think 6 new faces on last year in the game day squad is a fair target. Fog and Cotric are 2. By my logic we need 4 more new faces to step up to start the refresh we need.

There is an unwritten rule/ trend about squad turnover and is 5-6 players. Cant remember the top 17 turnover rate. Id guess 3-4 players to maintain the %.

You'd have to think Adam Elliott makes the 17, with Cotric and Fog, thats the min to comply.

Now, 1 or more of Mooney, Rushton or Hola on the bench, and your on the high side of that %.

And that is a really good thing. It’s a tough reality for the players being refreshed and sometimes a sad prospect for the fan that in some cases have cheered those players for many good years.

This time next year there will be a solid number of established NRL stars that right now very few people are aware of. I really hope a few of them are raiders and in 12 month time we are arguing about who we release to ensure the chooks and Broncs don’t get their paws on Mooney, Rushton and our other rockstar in demand young guns.

[-PJ-]

Why is there such a massive gap between our rnd 15 and rnd 16 games.

There’s no Rugbrugh Leeg the weekend of June 25/26.

No Origin..what have I missed here ?

[Finchy]

Why is there such a massive gap between our rnd 15 and rnd 16 games.

There’s no Rugbrugh Leeg the weekend of June 25/26.

No Origin..what have I missed here ?

Origin.

[BadnMean]

Why is there such a massive gap between our rnd 15 and rnd 16 games.

There’s no Rugbrugh Leeg the weekend of June 25/26.

No Origin..what have I missed here ?

Nah it is the rep weekend.

There's a Sunday Origin, womens Origin on Friday.

Usually some Pacific nations games if there's no covid mucking it all up etc.

[greeneyed]

Canberra Raiders 2022 NRL Fantasy guide

Utility Forwards Hudson Young ($686k) and Corey Harawira-Naera ($640k) plus new half Jamal Fogarty ($655k) are the three priciest players at the Raiders and it's tough to recommend any of the three.

Hudson Young: EDG, $686,000
Jamal Fogarty: HLF, $655,000
Corey Harawira-Naera: EDG, $640,000
Josh Papalii: MID, $635,000
Josh Hodgson: HOK, $627,000
Adam Elliott: MID/EDG, $598,000
Joseph Tapine: MID, $579,000
Jordan Rapana: CTR/WFB, $571,000
Jack Wighton: HLF, $569,000
Ryan Sutton: MID, $558,000
Elliott Whitehead: EDG, $551,000
Corey Horsburgh: MID, $492,000
Emre Guler: MID, $477,000
Matthew Timoko: CTR, $445,000
Sam Williams: HLF, $437,000
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad: WFB, $437,000
Tom Starling: HOK, $426,000
Harley Smith-Shields: CTR, $420,000
Sebastian Kris: CTR, $396,000
Nick Cotric: WFB/CTR, $369,000
Matt Frawley: HLF, $350,000
Xavier Savage: WFB, $350,000
Jarrod Croker: CTR, $292,000
Semi Valemei: WFB, $280,000
Brad Schneider: HLF, $240,000
Peter Hola: MID, $240,000
Albert Hopoate: WFB, $240,000
Trey Mooney: MID, $220,000
Harry Rushton: EDG, $220,000

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2022/02/08/rai ... asy-guide/

[greeneyed]

I don’t really understand this Fantasy League stuff… I don’t get those prices, if they’re to reflect statistical output.

[Billy Walker]

Ouch - Hope Jarrod doesn’t read those numbers.

[Matt]

I don’t really understand this Fantasy League stuff… I don’t get those prices, if they’re to reflect statistical output.

Yes, the price reflects their statistical output.

[Matt]

Ouch - Hope Jarrod doesn’t read those numbers.

Maybe he should. 2 or 3yrs ago he was a gun. Now he is a spud.

[Billy Walker]

Ouch - Hope Jarrod doesn’t read those numbers.

Maybe he should. 2 or 3yrs ago he was a gun. Now he is a spud.

Seb Kris considered <$100k better value.

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[BadnMean]

Tapine is cheaper than Elliot...

[greeneyed]

I don’t really understand this Fantasy League stuff… I don’t get those prices, if they’re to reflect statistical output.

Yes, the price reflects their statistical output.

So I don't get the prices...

[Matt]

Tapine is cheaper than Elliot...

Yep, 1 played 80mins on the edge, the other 45 in the middle

[Matt]

If you don't follow the fantasy world, it won't make sense

[Billy Walker]

Three edges and a few middles in front of Whitehead as well. I don’t know how these ratings work either GE but I can’t say I strongly disagree with most of them.

I don’t begrudge fans holding a candle for players like Croker and Whitehead long after the flame probably should have been extinguished, but it’s a problem when the bloke signing Raiders contracts also gets caught up in the romance and nostalgia of it all.

[greeneyed]

They’re nonsense. No one can tell me that Hudson Young, Jamal Fogarty and Corey Harawira Neara are our top three most valuable players.

[Billy Walker]

They’re nonsense. No one can tell me that Hudson Young, Jamal Fogarty and Corey Harawira Neara are our top three most valuable players.

I agree that no one can tell you things you don’t want to believe GE.

[Botman]

They’re nonsense. No one can tell me that Hudson Young, Jamal Fogarty and Corey Harawira Neara are our top three most valuable players.

NRL fantasy has a long way to go
They've got a very dumb format and the scoring is ridiculous. I dont play it. By the end of the season anyone who's good has pretty much the same team. It's dumb.

But i do understand it, Wighton is probably the best value pick there, hope he starts hot and net a tidy profit and move on

[BJ]

You know the players prices are bad when their value is increasing faster than Canberra house prices.

[Finchy]

I'm not sure what's so confusing about those prices. This isn't real-life value, it's fantasy value based on statistical output.

Our players just aren't very good in key positions statistically. Other teams are. Like Cleary and Turbo and Tedesco, they're worth heaps because they contribute heaps.

In real life Jack Wighton is a rep player and better than Hudson Young. Statistically in fantasy league, Young is worth more because he's racking up more points than Wighton. How are points achieved? Tries, goals, kicks, hit-ups, metres gained, offloads, try assists, line breaks, tackles busts, tackles, etc.

So if Young is worth more, he's doing more across the board than Wighton is, and racking up more points. For Wighton to be worth more, he really needs to start setting up more tries, scoring more tries, making more line breaks, forcing more dropouts, and stop making so many errors, etc.

[zim]

If you don't follow the fantasy world, it won't make sense

Yeah if you don't play fantasy these aren't even worth a glance. They're completely tied to that system, and as far as that system goes they are accurate.

[Matt]

I'm not sure what's so confusing about those prices. This isn't real-life value, it's fantasy value based on statistical output.

Our players just aren't very good in key positions statistically. Other teams are. Like Cleary and Turbo and Tedesco, they're worth heaps because they contribute heaps.

In real life Jack Wighton is a rep player and better than Hudson Young. Statistically in fantasy league, Young is worth more because he's racking up more points than Wighton. How are points achieved? Tries, goals, kicks, hit-ups, metres gained, offloads, try assists, line breaks, tackles busts, tackles, etc.

So if Young is worth more, he's doing more across the board than Wighton is, and racking up more points. For Wighton to be worth more, he really needs to start setting up more tries, scoring more tries, making more line breaks, forcing more dropouts, and stop making so many errors, etc.

^^^
This

[Matt]

They’re nonsense. No one can tell me that Hudson Young, Jamal Fogarty and Corey Harawira Neara are our top three most valuable players.

NRL fantasy has a long way to go
They've got a very dumb format and the scoring is ridiculous. I dont play it. By the end of the season anyone who's good has pretty much the same team. It's dumb.

But i do understand it, Wighton is probably the best value pick there, hope he starts hot and net a tidy profit and move on

Do u play NFL fantasy?

[Botman]

They’re nonsense. No one can tell me that Hudson Young, Jamal Fogarty and Corey Harawira Neara are our top three most valuable players.

NRL fantasy has a long way to go
They've got a very dumb format and the scoring is ridiculous. I dont play it. By the end of the season anyone who's good has pretty much the same team. It's dumb.

But i do understand it, Wighton is probably the best value pick there, hope he starts hot and net a tidy profit and move on

Do u play NFL fantasy?

hmmm... yeah i might dabble in a money league or 12

[BadnMean]

Tapine is cheaper than Elliot...

Yep, 1 played 80mins on the edge, the other 45 in the middle

Ah got it.

Ah well, it's a game. If people like it, good for them. Not my thing.

[Matt]

They’re nonsense. No one can tell me that Hudson Young, Jamal Fogarty and Corey Harawira Neara are our top three most valuable players.

NRL fantasy has a long way to go
They've got a very dumb format and the scoring is ridiculous. I dont play it. By the end of the season anyone who's good has pretty much the same team. It's dumb.

But i do understand it, Wighton is probably the best value pick there, hope he starts hot and net a tidy profit and move on

Do u play NFL fantasy?

hmmm... yeah i might dabble in a money league or 12

Same same but different, so.... haha.

[jimmy82]

Canberra Raiders 2022 NRL Fantasy guide

Utility Forwards Hudson Young ($686k) and Corey Harawira-Naera ($640k) plus new half Jamal Fogarty ($655k) are the three priciest players at the Raiders and it's tough to recommend any of the three.

Hudson Young: EDG, $686,000
Jamal Fogarty: HLF, $655,000
Corey Harawira-Naera: EDG, $640,000
Josh Papalii: MID, $635,000
Josh Hodgson: HOK, $627,000
Adam Elliott: MID/EDG, $598,000
Joseph Tapine: MID, $579,000
Jordan Rapana: CTR/WFB, $571,000
Jack Wighton: HLF, $569,000
Ryan Sutton: MID, $558,000
Elliott Whitehead: EDG, $551,000
Corey Horsburgh: MID, $492,000
Emre Guler: MID, $477,000
Matthew Timoko: CTR, $445,000
Sam Williams: HLF, $437,000
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad: WFB, $437,000
Tom Starling: HOK, $426,000
Harley Smith-Shields: CTR, $420,000
Sebastian Kris: CTR, $396,000
Nick Cotric: WFB/CTR, $369,000
Matt Frawley: HLF, $350,000
Xavier Savage: WFB, $350,000
Jarrod Croker: CTR, $292,000
Semi Valemei: WFB, $280,000
Brad Schneider: HLF, $240,000
Peter Hola: MID, $240,000
Albert Hopoate: WFB, $240,000
Trey Mooney: MID, $220,000
Harry Rushton: EDG, $220,000

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2022/02/08/rai ... asy-guide/

Xavier savage extremely good value if he starts full back

[Botman]

Same same but different, so.... haha.

Well it is in some respects that it's fantasy game based o stats, but i dont like the format... NRL fantasy has too many players... even in a 12 man league, they make you draft 25 players! 25! There just isnt 300 weekly fantasy relevant players... and then SC is this trade in salary cap deal where all you're looking to scoop up the same cheapies that every one else has, and sell them for studs like everyone else does and by seasons end the top 200 players have the same line up

it's trash.

NRL fantasy should have an overhaul on the scoring system and you should have a roster of no more than 15. Starting line up:

1x FB
2x W/C
1x W/C FLEX
1x HLF
2x MID
1x EGE
1x HOK
1x MID/EDE FLEX

5x bench spots pending the turnover... every player on the roster is relevant. And you have to make weekly decisions based on match ups.

[gangrenous]

A team should be picked with no other considerations than the good of the team. I don’t see any scenario where including Jarrod Croker in the team provides any benefits for the team. There has always been issues with his defence and he’s not striking fear into any opposition defenders. The recent centres poll indicates that with the exception of 4 or 5 hopeless romantics, the GH fan base recognise Croker isn’t one of our strongest centres. It will be very concerning if Ricky remains stubborn on this one.

Don’t go full Rodman. Give it a rest dude.

[Billy Walker]

A team should be picked with no other considerations than the good of the team. I don’t see any scenario where including Jarrod Croker in the team provides any benefits for the team. There has always been issues with his defence and he’s not striking fear into any opposition defenders. The recent centres poll indicates that with the exception of 4 or 5 hopeless romantics, the GH fan base recognise Croker isn’t one of our strongest centres. It will be very concerning if Ricky remains stubborn on this one.

Don’t go full Rodman. Give it a rest dude.

You want to see him get a start this year Gangers?

[gangrenous]

I’m not particularly fussed. He’s going to, and we’ll see what happens from there.

But I know your opinion very well. I’ve read it over 100 times on here (and I doubt that’s hyperbole, if I searched I’m confident your posts on Croker well exceed that).

You’re not adding anything new to the conversation. Just a broken record spamming threads with the same opinion. Do Lent early and abstain from posting about Croker, you’ve got some good posts when you do.

[Roger Kenworthy]

Unvaccinated Joseph Tapine to lead Māori All Stars

One of the men entrusted to lead the Māori All Stars again also happens to be the only player involved in this weekend’s game who remains unvaccinated.

Canberra forward and Māori co-captain Joe Tapine told the Sydney Morning Herald he was one of the last NRL players to avoid being jabbed because of “reactions to past vaccinations”.

Read more: https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/league/12 ... -all-stars

So we can confirm Tapine is one of the unvaccinated.

[Billy Walker]

I’m not particularly fussed. He’s going to, and we’ll see what happens from there.

But I know your opinion very well. I’ve read it over 100 times on here (and I doubt that’s hyperbole, if I searched I’m confident your posts on Croker well exceed that).

You’re not adding anything new to the conversation. Just a broken record spamming threads with the same opinion. Do Lent early and abstain from posting about Croker, you’ve got some good posts when you do.

When you say you’re not particularly fussed, that seems an odd one to me. For everyone’s differences of opinion on here, I’d say the commonality is we all want to see the raiders succeed. I feel there is almost an ideological barrier to success at the club based around a loyalty to the past and an unwillingness to empower youth. Croker is the prime example of it for me and has been for a long time. He epitomises an apparent mindset in the club that tried and true is good and change might be bad.

There is a plenty of discussion on here, supported by Ricky’s recent comments that we need to put Savage on some long term development plan towards first grade. I bet those exciting twigs Jayden Campbell and Dane Laurie don’t go the same path. Penrith are premiers by letting a bunch of kids bring the energy, set the culture and drive the success. It was a wild ride with some bumps along the way (Tyrone May especially) but ultimately winners are grinners.

I am particularly fussed - I’d like to see raiders successful again and not just settle for mediocrity. But let’s be honest - I think we do settle for mediocrity as a club and as a supporter base. It would be a surprise if we make top 4 this year so instead we focus on individual games and point scoring records as if they somehow matter.

The Broncos are hot trash at the moment. Playing rubbish football and an unhappy club that can’t keep players. They are in a deep hole at a time when another Brisbane team is entering the comp. But the club and their supporters demand success and don’t glorify or hold onto players that don’t bring it. I’ll bet the Broncos are back winning a premiership before us and when they do we will be here arguing over whether one of our ageing players should be extended for 3 years or 4 years.

I reckon it’s worth getting particularly fussed about these things Gangers. I’ve supported the raiders through lean times, great times and lean times again and I can tell you, like a lot of things in life - it’s a lot more fun doing it when you’re on top!