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Who should partner Jarrod Croker in the centres in 2020?

Joey Leilua
25
71%
Curtis Scott
10
29%
 
Total votes: 35

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POLL: Strongest 2020 line up: Centres

What's your strongest possible 2020 Canberra Raiders line up? That's what were asking the readers of The Greenhouse. We're looking at the "Locks and contenders" for each position in the team in a special series of articles. Some players have clearly locked down their spot but we're looking at all the contenders for places in the Green Machine's top 17. For particularly contentious positions, we're supplementing the discussion with a series of polls... and in the first of those polls, we're asking: Who should partner Jarrod Croker in the centres in 2020? Incumbent Joey Leilua or new recruit Curtis Scott?

Click here to read more: Locks and contenders: Centre

You may have a different view, but we're taking Jarrod Croker to be a "lock".

You have one choice in this poll and you may change your vote.
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greeneyed wrote:
January 9, 2020, 10:46 am
POLL: Strongest 2020 line up: Centres

What's your strongest possible 2020 Canberra Raiders line up? That's what were asking the readers of The Greenhouse. We're looking at the "Locks and contenders" for each position in the team in a special series of articles. Some players have clearly locked down their spot but we're looking at all the contenders for places in the Green Machine's top 17. For particularly contentious positions, we're supplementing the discussion with a series of polls... and in the first of those polls, we're asking: Who should partner Jarrod Croker in the centres in 2020? Incumbent Joey Leilua or new recruit Curtis Scott?

Click here to read more: Locks and contenders: Centre

You may have a different view, but we're taking Jarrod Croker to be a "lock".

You have one choice in this poll and you may change your vote.
I thought the very definition of a lock was nobody will have a differing view :roflmao

Croker -> wing :cool:

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Leilua is more talented/ physically gifted than Scott. No doubt in my mine. However, and this wont be popular, but...

1. Leilua had a terrible neck injury last yr.
2. Leilua has been shopped around for the past 12 months.
3. Leilua is off contract this season.
4. Leilua's partner in crime is now in Japana (sorry... :lol: ).
5. Scott is unlikely to have signed a 4yr deal to play reserve grade.

IMO, that right edge is being overhauled, so start from scratch, and get those combo's working together ASAP.
So, the right edge I think Ricky will pick is Georgie 'dub-ya', Bateman, Scott, Simmo.

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BJ every day and twice on Sunday.

and also Leilua to partner Croker in the Centres.

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Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:01 am
Leilua is more talented/ physically gifted than Scott. No doubt in my mine. However, and this wont be popular, but...

1. Leilua had a terrible neck injury last yr.
2. Leilua has been shopped around for the past 12 months.
3. Leilua is off contract this season.
4. Leilua's partner in crime is now in Japana (sorry... :lol: ).
5. Scott is unlikely to have signed a 4yr deal to play reserve grade.

IMO, that right edge is being overhauled, so start from scratch, and get those combo's working together ASAP.
So, the right edge I think Ricky will pick is Georgie 'dub-ya', Bateman, Scott, Simmo.
Stuart may well want to start working on new combos sooner rather than later, but I'm not sure it's fair to say Leilua has been shopped around by the club, or that a player (Scott) has signed a long term deal with any expectation of a guaranteed position.

Based on what has publicly been said, Leilua's manager approached the club seeking an extension (presumably at his current contract value or higher) and the club gave him permission to look elsewhere if a good deal could be found. Essentially the club has flagged we don't have the cap space to retain a centre at such a premium contract value. The club has also said Leilua has a guaranteed spot on the roster this year and he is part of our plans for the season. That's a bit different to being "shopped around" by the club.

I also think it's unlikely Stuart has guaranteed anyone, let alone Curtis Scott, a guaranteed spot in the starting side. That may well be Stuart's ultimate plan, but if I'm playing a grand final right here and now, I know which player I'd prefer to have in my starting lineup.

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Joey’s in a class above both of them.

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Seiffert82 wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:35 am
Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:01 am
Leilua is more talented/ physically gifted than Scott. No doubt in my mine. However, and this wont be popular, but...

1. Leilua had a terrible neck injury last yr.
2. Leilua has been shopped around for the past 12 months.
3. Leilua is off contract this season.
4. Leilua's partner in crime is now in Japana (sorry... :lol: ).
5. Scott is unlikely to have signed a 4yr deal to play reserve grade.

IMO, that right edge is being overhauled, so start from scratch, and get those combo's working together ASAP.
So, the right edge I think Ricky will pick is Georgie 'dub-ya', Bateman, Scott, Simmo.
Stuart may well want to start working on new combos sooner rather than later, but I'm not sure it's fair to say Leilua has been shopped around by the club, or that a player (Scott) has signed a long term deal with any expectation of a guaranteed position.

Based on what has publicly been said, Leilua's manager approached the club seeking an extension (presumably at his current contract value or higher) and the club gave him permission to look elsewhere if a good deal could be found. Essentially the club has flagged we don't have the cap space to retain a centre at such a premium contract value. The club has also said Leilua has a guaranteed spot on the roster this year and he is part of our plans for the season. That's a bit different to being "shopped around" by the club.

I also think it's unlikely Stuart has guaranteed anyone, let alone Curtis Scott, a guaranteed spot in the starting side. That may well be Stuart's ultimate plan, but if I'm playing a grand final right here and now, I know which player I'd prefer to have in my starting lineup.
I thinks it's safe to say you have been following sport long enough to read the sub text of all of that S82. I have tried to step it out for everyone.

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Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 12:03 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:35 am
Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:01 am
Leilua is more talented/ physically gifted than Scott. No doubt in my mine. However, and this wont be popular, but...

1. Leilua had a terrible neck injury last yr.
2. Leilua has been shopped around for the past 12 months.
3. Leilua is off contract this season.
4. Leilua's partner in crime is now in Japana (sorry... :lol: ).
5. Scott is unlikely to have signed a 4yr deal to play reserve grade.

IMO, that right edge is being overhauled, so start from scratch, and get those combo's working together ASAP.
So, the right edge I think Ricky will pick is Georgie 'dub-ya', Bateman, Scott, Simmo.
Stuart may well want to start working on new combos sooner rather than later, but I'm not sure it's fair to say Leilua has been shopped around by the club, or that a player (Scott) has signed a long term deal with any expectation of a guaranteed position.

Based on what has publicly been said, Leilua's manager approached the club seeking an extension (presumably at his current contract value or higher) and the club gave him permission to look elsewhere if a good deal could be found. Essentially the club has flagged we don't have the cap space to retain a centre at such a premium contract value. The club has also said Leilua has a guaranteed spot on the roster this year and he is part of our plans for the season. That's a bit different to being "shopped around" by the club.

I also think it's unlikely Stuart has guaranteed anyone, let alone Curtis Scott, a guaranteed spot in the starting side. That may well be Stuart's ultimate plan, but if I'm playing a grand final right here and now, I know which player I'd prefer to have in my starting lineup.
I thinks it's safe to say you have been following sport long enough to read the sub text of all of that S82. I have tried to step it out for everyone.
Yep, there is hardly any doubt that our 2021 team will feature 3. Croker and 4. Scott. There is next to no chance Leilua will be here next year, and Scott has obviously signed for 4 seasons with the right centre position on his mind.

However, if the question is what our strongest lineup for 2020 is, I think there is a very fair and reasonable argument for the punters out there to say that Leilua is a better option than Scott. That's not to say the coach agrees, it's just what most people clearly think.

If we are in this comp to win a premiership, Joey Leilua is one of those freakish talents who can get you there. At his best, the guy is untouchable and when his head is screwed on (in the right system), he can be a pretty handy defender too.

His injury is a factor - and that's one of the reasons the club may have moved on from his premium contract in the long term - but if he is fit and firing you'd be nuts not to consider him as your starting right centre.

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Roger Kenworthy wrote:
January 9, 2020, 10:55 am
greeneyed wrote:
January 9, 2020, 10:46 am
POLL: Strongest 2020 line up: Centres

What's your strongest possible 2020 Canberra Raiders line up? That's what were asking the readers of The Greenhouse. We're looking at the "Locks and contenders" for each position in the team in a special series of articles. Some players have clearly locked down their spot but we're looking at all the contenders for places in the Green Machine's top 17. For particularly contentious positions, we're supplementing the discussion with a series of polls... and in the first of those polls, we're asking: Who should partner Jarrod Croker in the centres in 2020? Incumbent Joey Leilua or new recruit Curtis Scott?

Click here to read more: Locks and contenders: Centre

You may have a different view, but we're taking Jarrod Croker to be a "lock".

You have one choice in this poll and you may change your vote.
I thought the very definition of a lock was nobody will have a differing view :roflmao

Croker -> wing :cool:
Anyone can start their own poll. ;) :cool:
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If someone is going to open training session at the Sunshine Coast, can they report if BJ is with the team?
If he’s not at the sunny coast then I’d say he’s gone

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Hmmm... haven’t seen him in any of today’s Instagram Stories of the team travelling. 😱
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He only got married over the Xmas break, he might be on a honeymoon.

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greeneyed wrote:
January 9, 2020, 12:31 pm
Roger Kenworthy wrote:
January 9, 2020, 10:55 am
greeneyed wrote:
January 9, 2020, 10:46 am
POLL: Strongest 2020 line up: Centres

What's your strongest possible 2020 Canberra Raiders line up? That's what were asking the readers of The Greenhouse. We're looking at the "Locks and contenders" for each position in the team in a special series of articles. Some players have clearly locked down their spot but we're looking at all the contenders for places in the Green Machine's top 17. For particularly contentious positions, we're supplementing the discussion with a series of polls... and in the first of those polls, we're asking: Who should partner Jarrod Croker in the centres in 2020? Incumbent Joey Leilua or new recruit Curtis Scott?

Click here to read more: Locks and contenders: Centre

You may have a different view, but we're taking Jarrod Croker to be a "lock".

You have one choice in this poll and you may change your vote.
I thought the very definition of a lock was nobody will have a differing view :roflmao

Croker -> wing :cool:
Anyone can start their own poll. ;) :cool:
It's much easier chiming in with sarcastic comments.

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Seiffert82 wrote:
January 9, 2020, 12:29 pm
Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 12:03 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:35 am
Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:01 am
Leilua is more talented/ physically gifted than Scott. No doubt in my mine. However, and this wont be popular, but...

1. Leilua had a terrible neck injury last yr.
2. Leilua has been shopped around for the past 12 months.
3. Leilua is off contract this season.
4. Leilua's partner in crime is now in Japana (sorry... :lol: ).
5. Scott is unlikely to have signed a 4yr deal to play reserve grade.

IMO, that right edge is being overhauled, so start from scratch, and get those combo's working together ASAP.
So, the right edge I think Ricky will pick is Georgie 'dub-ya', Bateman, Scott, Simmo.
Stuart may well want to start working on new combos sooner rather than later, but I'm not sure it's fair to say Leilua has been shopped around by the club, or that a player (Scott) has signed a long term deal with any expectation of a guaranteed position.

Based on what has publicly been said, Leilua's manager approached the club seeking an extension (presumably at his current contract value or higher) and the club gave him permission to look elsewhere if a good deal could be found. Essentially the club has flagged we don't have the cap space to retain a centre at such a premium contract value. The club has also said Leilua has a guaranteed spot on the roster this year and he is part of our plans for the season. That's a bit different to being "shopped around" by the club.

I also think it's unlikely Stuart has guaranteed anyone, let alone Curtis Scott, a guaranteed spot in the starting side. That may well be Stuart's ultimate plan, but if I'm playing a grand final right here and now, I know which player I'd prefer to have in my starting lineup.
I thinks it's safe to say you have been following sport long enough to read the sub text of all of that S82. I have tried to step it out for everyone.
Yep, there is hardly any doubt that our 2021 team will feature 3. Croker and 4. Scott. There is next to no chance Leilua will be here next year, and Scott has obviously signed for 4 seasons with the right centre position on his mind.

However, if the question is what our strongest lineup for 2020 is, I think there is a very fair and reasonable argument for the punters out there to say that Leilua is a better option than Scott. That's not to say the coach agrees, it's just what most people clearly think.

If we are in this comp to win a premiership, Joey Leilua is one of those freakish talents who can get you there. At his best, the guy is untouchable and when his head is screwed on (in the right system), he can be a pretty handy defender too.

His injury is a factor - and that's one of the reasons the club may have moved on from his premium contract in the long term - but if he is fit and firing you'd be nuts not to consider him as your starting right centre.
It has already been proven that defense matters more when it comes to getting to the dance. Part of that is errors, and how you respond/ defend those. Scott is arguably a better defender, and Im not sure, but Im assuming he has a lower error rate (this is a Storm trait).

That BJ X-factor becomes a valuable commodity in finals footy, where 1 magic play is the difference between winning and losing - Tapine's hit that ending in BJs hands and a pass to Bateo, Teddy's short side GF raid down BJs channel, two off the top of my head. Scott doesnt have that play in him IMO.

Raiders have decided that they want the bloke inside, Georgie Williams, to prove that consistently rather than as a 1 off. To do that combos have to work. For that to happen you need time. Therefore do it from Rd 1.

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Braddrew wrote:
January 9, 2020, 1:38 pm
If someone is going to open training session at the Sunshine Coast, can they report if BJ is with the team?
If he’s not at the sunny coast then I’d say he’s gone
It did seem odd we couldn't find money for Rapana but had it for Scott. Maybe the money for Scott is coming from BJ.

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Roger Kenworthy wrote:
January 9, 2020, 2:56 pm
Braddrew wrote:
January 9, 2020, 1:38 pm
If someone is going to open training session at the Sunshine Coast, can they report if BJ is with the team?
If he’s not at the sunny coast then I’d say he’s gone
It did seem odd we couldn't find money for Rapana but had it for Scott. Maybe the money for Scott is coming from BJ.
Not really, all that says is, we couldnt swing what Rapa wanted (500K was the rumour) plus the 30th roster spot.
To buy Scott, Scott and the 30th man is worth less, and cap compliant.

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Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 3:13 pm
Roger Kenworthy wrote:
January 9, 2020, 2:56 pm
Braddrew wrote:
January 9, 2020, 1:38 pm
If someone is going to open training session at the Sunshine Coast, can they report if BJ is with the team?
If he’s not at the sunny coast then I’d say he’s gone
It did seem odd we couldn't find money for Rapana but had it for Scott. Maybe the money for Scott is coming from BJ.
Not really, all that says is, we couldnt swing what Rapa wanted (500K was the rumour) plus the 30th roster spot.
To buy Scott, Scott and the 30th man is worth less, and cap compliant.
https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 25a777ca21

We inherited a three-year $1.5 million deal. Or do you think he took a significant paycut to come here? Seriously doubt that myself.

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I don't understand the comparison between Rapana and Scott. Scott's cap spot replaces Leilua in 2021. We obviously just had the funds available this season to carry both of them.

The decision to let Rapana go was because we had Simonsson and Cotric available to cover the wings. Both of whom are young and on the rise, whereas Rapana is 30 and appears to be on the downward slide a little.

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Seiffert82 wrote:
January 9, 2020, 5:32 pm
I don't understand the comparison between Rapana and Scott. Scott's cap spot replaces Leilua in 2021. We obviously just had the funds available this season to carry both of them.

The decision to let Rapana go was because we had Simonsson and Cotric available to cover the wings. Both of whom are young and on the rise, whereas Rapana is 30 and appears to be on the downward slide a little.
I wasn't debating the merits of letting Rapana go. Just indicating we may also be shopping BJ around given it looks like we have close to $2 million allocated to centres this year.

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Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 2:54 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:
January 9, 2020, 12:29 pm
Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 12:03 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:35 am
Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:01 am
Leilua is more talented/ physically gifted than Scott. No doubt in my mine. However, and this wont be popular, but...

1. Leilua had a terrible neck injury last yr.
2. Leilua has been shopped around for the past 12 months.
3. Leilua is off contract this season.
4. Leilua's partner in crime is now in Japana (sorry... :lol: ).
5. Scott is unlikely to have signed a 4yr deal to play reserve grade.

IMO, that right edge is being overhauled, so start from scratch, and get those combo's working together ASAP.
So, the right edge I think Ricky will pick is Georgie 'dub-ya', Bateman, Scott, Simmo.
Stuart may well want to start working on new combos sooner rather than later, but I'm not sure it's fair to say Leilua has been shopped around by the club, or that a player (Scott) has signed a long term deal with any expectation of a guaranteed position.

Based on what has publicly been said, Leilua's manager approached the club seeking an extension (presumably at his current contract value or higher) and the club gave him permission to look elsewhere if a good deal could be found. Essentially the club has flagged we don't have the cap space to retain a centre at such a premium contract value. The club has also said Leilua has a guaranteed spot on the roster this year and he is part of our plans for the season. That's a bit different to being "shopped around" by the club.

I also think it's unlikely Stuart has guaranteed anyone, let alone Curtis Scott, a guaranteed spot in the starting side. That may well be Stuart's ultimate plan, but if I'm playing a grand final right here and now, I know which player I'd prefer to have in my starting lineup.
I thinks it's safe to say you have been following sport long enough to read the sub text of all of that S82. I have tried to step it out for everyone.
Yep, there is hardly any doubt that our 2021 team will feature 3. Croker and 4. Scott. There is next to no chance Leilua will be here next year, and Scott has obviously signed for 4 seasons with the right centre position on his mind.

However, if the question is what our strongest lineup for 2020 is, I think there is a very fair and reasonable argument for the punters out there to say that Leilua is a better option than Scott. That's not to say the coach agrees, it's just what most people clearly think.

If we are in this comp to win a premiership, Joey Leilua is one of those freakish talents who can get you there. At his best, the guy is untouchable and when his head is screwed on (in the right system), he can be a pretty handy defender too.

His injury is a factor - and that's one of the reasons the club may have moved on from his premium contract in the long term - but if he is fit and firing you'd be nuts not to consider him as your starting right centre.
It has already been proven that defense matters more when it comes to getting to the dance. Part of that is errors, and how you respond/ defend those. Scott is arguably a better defender, and Im not sure, but Im assuming he has a lower error rate (this is a Storm trait).

That BJ X-factor becomes a valuable commodity in finals footy, where 1 magic play is the difference between winning and losing - Tapine's hit that ending in BJs hands and a pass to Bateo, Teddy's short side GF raid down BJs channel, two off the top of my head. Scott doesnt have that play in him IMO.

Raiders have decided that they want the bloke inside, Georgie Williams, to prove that consistently rather than as a 1 off. To do that combos have to work. For that to happen you need time. Therefore do it from Rd 1.
According to NRL.com stats, these are Joey Leilua’s tackle efficiency rates while at the Raiders:

2015 77 per cent
2016 89 per cent
2017 78 per cent
2018 77 per cent
2019 85 per cent

Curtis Scott at the Storm:

2016 82 per cent
2017 84 per cent
2018 82 per cent
2019 78 per cent

Of course 2019 numbers for both players come from less than half a full season (Leilua 12 games, Scott nine)

According to Fox Sports Lab... in 2019...

Joey Leilua (per game)

Errors 0.6
Penalties 0.7
Missed tackles 1.1
Ineffective tackles 0.2
Tackle efficiency rate 88 per cent
Try causes 0.1
Line break causes 0.5

Curtis Scott (per game)

Errors 0.9
Penalties 0.3
Missed tackles 1.1
Ineffective tackles 1.4
Tackle efficiency rate 82 per cent
Try causes 0.7
Line break causes 0.7
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Leilua is clearly the superior player.

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Can’t argue with the stats - but without them I would have said Scott over BJ.

As for strongest centre pairing, even though he isn’t in the running JB would be pick 1 - played centre for England!

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I'm pretty happy he passed to John Bateman and delivered our GF.

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Seiffert82 wrote:
January 9, 2020, 7:54 pm
Leilua is clearly the superior player.
Eye tells me Joey is a terror and no amount of planning can guarantee containing him if it.

Stats say the criticisms are overblown.

Save Joey!

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Gazman wrote:
January 9, 2020, 8:47 pm
Can’t argue with the stats - but without them I would have said Scott over BJ.

As for strongest centre pairing, even though he isn’t in the running JB would be pick 1 - played centre for England!

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I’m not sure I’d conclude much based on the 2019 stats. Very few games for both players. Scott had some form issues in 2019 that were not there in 2018. Both impacted by injury and return from injury.

I put the stats up, as Matt asked the question. NRL.com don’t have enough detail in their history, Fox Sports Lab only make the most recent year available.
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Seiffert82 wrote:
January 9, 2020, 5:32 pm
I don't understand the comparison between Rapana and Scott. Scott's cap spot replaces Leilua in 2021. We obviously just had the funds available this season to carry both of them.

The decision to let Rapana go was because we had Simonsson and Cotric available to cover the wings. Both of whom are young and on the rise, whereas Rapana is 30 and appears to be on the downward slide a little.
yes, position-ally, but financially its this yrs cap and we couldnt fit both

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greeneyed wrote:
January 9, 2020, 7:52 pm
Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 2:54 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:
January 9, 2020, 12:29 pm
Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 12:03 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:35 am

Stuart may well want to start working on new combos sooner rather than later, but I'm not sure it's fair to say Leilua has been shopped around by the club, or that a player (Scott) has signed a long term deal with any expectation of a guaranteed position.

Based on what has publicly been said, Leilua's manager approached the club seeking an extension (presumably at his current contract value or higher) and the club gave him permission to look elsewhere if a good deal could be found. Essentially the club has flagged we don't have the cap space to retain a centre at such a premium contract value. The club has also said Leilua has a guaranteed spot on the roster this year and he is part of our plans for the season. That's a bit different to being "shopped around" by the club.

I also think it's unlikely Stuart has guaranteed anyone, let alone Curtis Scott, a guaranteed spot in the starting side. That may well be Stuart's ultimate plan, but if I'm playing a grand final right here and now, I know which player I'd prefer to have in my starting lineup.
I thinks it's safe to say you have been following sport long enough to read the sub text of all of that S82. I have tried to step it out for everyone.
Yep, there is hardly any doubt that our 2021 team will feature 3. Croker and 4. Scott. There is next to no chance Leilua will be here next year, and Scott has obviously signed for 4 seasons with the right centre position on his mind.

However, if the question is what our strongest lineup for 2020 is, I think there is a very fair and reasonable argument for the punters out there to say that Leilua is a better option than Scott. That's not to say the coach agrees, it's just what most people clearly think.

If we are in this comp to win a premiership, Joey Leilua is one of those freakish talents who can get you there. At his best, the guy is untouchable and when his head is screwed on (in the right system), he can be a pretty handy defender too.

His injury is a factor - and that's one of the reasons the club may have moved on from his premium contract in the long term - but if he is fit and firing you'd be nuts not to consider him as your starting right centre.
It has already been proven that defense matters more when it comes to getting to the dance. Part of that is errors, and how you respond/ defend those. Scott is arguably a better defender, and Im not sure, but Im assuming he has a lower error rate (this is a Storm trait).

That BJ X-factor becomes a valuable commodity in finals footy, where 1 magic play is the difference between winning and losing - Tapine's hit that ending in BJs hands and a pass to Bateo, Teddy's short side GF raid down BJs channel, two off the top of my head. Scott doesnt have that play in him IMO.

Raiders have decided that they want the bloke inside, Georgie Williams, to prove that consistently rather than as a 1 off. To do that combos have to work. For that to happen you need time. Therefore do it from Rd 1.
According to NRL.com stats, these are Joey Leilua’s tackle efficiency rates while at the Raiders:

2015 77 per cent
2016 89 per cent
2017 78 per cent
2018 77 per cent
2019 85 per cent

Curtis Scott at the Storm:

2016 82 per cent
2017 84 per cent
2018 82 per cent
2019 78 per cent

Of course 2019 numbers for both players come from less than half a full season (Leilua 12 games, Scott nine)

According to Fox Sports Lab... in 2019...

Joey Leilua (per game)

Errors 0.6
Penalties 0.7
Missed tackles 1.1
Ineffective tackles 0.2
Tackle efficiency rate 88 per cent
Try causes 0.1
Line break causes 0.5

Curtis Scott (per game)

Errors 0.9
Penalties 0.3
Missed tackles 1.1
Ineffective tackles 1.4
Tackle efficiency rate 82 per cent
Try causes 0.7
Line break causes 0.7
Good numbers GE.
So historically, Scott is more consistent in making his tackles, even if last yr was pretty even. BJs best yrs coincide with Raiders doing well.

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Why can't we vote for Croker, Kris, Oldbeard or even Bateman?
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Why can't we vote for Croker, Kris, Oldbeard or even Bateman?
You can, by listing them in a team list after this post in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=33789&p=1713732#p1713589
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Joey Leilua, Curtis Scott battling for starting spot: Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart

Raiders coach Ricky Stuart says he's unsure whether Joey Leilua or Curtis Scott will partner co-captain Jarrod Croker in the centres in Rd 1 of the 2020 season.

"That all works itself out. It comes down to training performance at this stage of the year. Sometimes those types of decisions don't come down to coaches or selections. It comes down to the players' performance and contribution."

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/01/10/lei ... ot-stuart/
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greeneyed wrote:You may have a different view, but we're taking Jarrod Croker to be a "lock".
But he’s never played there?
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greeneyed wrote:
January 10, 2020, 2:47 pm
Joey Leilua, Curtis Scott battling for starting spot: Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart

Raiders coach Ricky Stuart says he's unsure whether Joey Leilua or Curtis Scott will partner co-captain Jarrod Croker in the centres in Rd 1 of the 2020 season.

"That all works itself out. It comes down to training performance at this stage of the year. Sometimes those types of decisions don't come down to coaches or selections. It comes down to the players' performance and contribution."

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/01/10/lei ... ot-stuart/
So it's going to come down to training performance and contribution but he didn't take Joey on the training camp...

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Re: POLL: Strongest 2020 line up: Centres

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BadnMean wrote:
January 12, 2020, 5:21 pm
greeneyed wrote:
January 10, 2020, 2:47 pm
Joey Leilua, Curtis Scott battling for starting spot: Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart

Raiders coach Ricky Stuart says he's unsure whether Joey Leilua or Curtis Scott will partner co-captain Jarrod Croker in the centres in Rd 1 of the 2020 season.

"That all works itself out. It comes down to training performance at this stage of the year. Sometimes those types of decisions don't come down to coaches or selections. It comes down to the players' performance and contribution."

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/01/10/lei ... ot-stuart/
So it's going to come down to training performance and contribution but he didn't take Joey on the training camp...
I said this at the top of the thread, I think it answers your Q too:
Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:01 am
Leilua is more talented/ physically gifted than Scott. No doubt in my mine. However, and this wont be popular, but...

1. Leilua had a terrible neck injury last yr.
2. Leilua has been shopped around for the past 12 months.
3. Leilua is off contract this season.
4. Leilua's partner in crime is now in Japana (sorry... :lol: ).
5. Scott is unlikely to have signed a 4yr deal to play reserve grade.

IMO, that right edge is being overhauled, so start from scratch, and get those combo's working together ASAP.
So, the right edge I think Ricky will pick is Georgie 'dub-ya', Bateman, Scott, Simmo.

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Leilua could well be on his way out of the club...who knows?

But, I think a 10 day training camp is somewhat irrelevant as there is still 2 months before the season kicks off.

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Re: POLL: Strongest 2020 line up: Centres

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Matt wrote:
January 13, 2020, 3:16 pm
BadnMean wrote:
January 12, 2020, 5:21 pm
greeneyed wrote:
January 10, 2020, 2:47 pm
Joey Leilua, Curtis Scott battling for starting spot: Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart

Raiders coach Ricky Stuart says he's unsure whether Joey Leilua or Curtis Scott will partner co-captain Jarrod Croker in the centres in Rd 1 of the 2020 season.

"That all works itself out. It comes down to training performance at this stage of the year. Sometimes those types of decisions don't come down to coaches or selections. It comes down to the players' performance and contribution."

Read more: https://www.nrl.com/news/2020/01/10/lei ... ot-stuart/
So it's going to come down to training performance and contribution but he didn't take Joey on the training camp...
I said this at the top of the thread, I think it answers your Q too:
Matt wrote:
January 9, 2020, 11:01 am
Leilua is more talented/ physically gifted than Scott. No doubt in my mine. However, and this wont be popular, but...

1. Leilua had a terrible neck injury last yr.
2. Leilua has been shopped around for the past 12 months.
3. Leilua is off contract this season.
4. Leilua's partner in crime is now in Japana (sorry... :lol: ).
5. Scott is unlikely to have signed a 4yr deal to play reserve grade.

IMO, that right edge is being overhauled, so start from scratch, and get those combo's working together ASAP.
So, the right edge I think Ricky will pick is Georgie 'dub-ya', Bateman, Scott, Simmo.
And I read it.

I'm just not ready to say goodbye to Joey yet.

Where else can we find the kind of maniac who will throw a 15m flick pass while spinning 180 degrees mid tackle - who'll scatter forwards like ninepins whenever we need a charge out of our end - who'll get hit in the eyeball with a banger before a semi final - who'll drift across filled shoving off defenders and then deliver a perfectly timed Thurston level face ball for a Croker try - then drop the knees on a guy who just scored as if 50 000 people and 8 TV cameras won't see it?

#savejoey

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