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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2020

Post by gergreg » February 9, 2020, 11:23 am

Actually it does sound a little like bitter raiders fans to me. His first few seasons in the top grade were - and I choose my words carefully and deliberately here - were exceptional for a young guy. Rewatching his early years with us I don't think anybody would claim him to be a selfish player. He put his body on the line every week for our club, our jersey.

There isn't a fan of rugby league who isn't of the opinion that he is an absolute douche and has a poor attitude but at one point our club and our fan base absolutely loved him as a player. Let's not rewrite history here.

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Post by Northern Raider » February 9, 2020, 12:34 pm

gergreg wrote:
February 9, 2020, 11:23 am
Actually it does sound a little like bitter raiders fans to me. His first few seasons in the top grade were - and I choose my words carefully and deliberately here - were exceptional for a young guy. Rewatching his early years with us I don't think anybody would claim him to be a selfish player. He put his body on the line every week for our club, our jersey.

There isn't a fan of rugby league who isn't of the opinion that he is an absolute douche and has a poor attitude but at one point our club and our fan base absolutely loved him as a player. Let's not rewrite history here.

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What he produced in those early years made it even more frustrating for fans. Well know what he was capable of when he applied himself. It was like as a junior coming into senior ranks he was willing to do the hard work to get to the top. Once he established himself a one of the a Raiders star player that's when the selfish attitude kicked in and he started to phone it in.

The fire re-ignited when he first joined the Dragons then history began to repeat.
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2020

Post by BJ » February 9, 2020, 2:11 pm

Yes I think we all saw that with Dugan. He’d try and stop Dave Taylor, but then he’d let 5 other players waltz past him near the try line without Dugan applying himself anything like 100% to stop the play.

Opposite of what we saw with CNK this season completed.

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Post by Seiffert82 » February 9, 2020, 6:13 pm

Classic case of a talented young player who did it all on natural ability. No real sense of work ethic or a team-first approach, just a guy who knew he was good at footy and didn't really like being told what to do.

At his best, he's a gun fullback. Can do it all. At his worst he's a blight on the team.

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Post by bonehead » February 10, 2020, 9:01 am

I actually did think he was a selfish player for us but he got away with it so it didn't matter.
There was an u20s semi he won the game with a hail Mary grubber for himself that he scores the matchwinner, an absolute flogging of the knights where he ball hogged repeatedly.
Him and Carney were supposed to lead us to the promised land but just set us back a decade

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2020

Post by greeneyed » February 12, 2020, 1:56 am

Remembering young Josh Dugan, the prince of Canberra

As the Josh Dugan saga continues to be played out, it seems there is a real possibility this could be the end of the Cronulla man’s career, or at least the end of a major part of it.

From the time he debuted in 2009, Dugan could always break tackles. If the first defender he met took him down it was a genuine shock. In that debut season he broke 104 tackles in 16 games — James Tedesco led the entire league in 2019 with 136 across 24 games. he was never better than he was in 2010. That was the kind of season any fullback would have been proud to call their best.

He scored 13 tries, which remains a career high. He made 21 line breaks, which remains a career high. They say now that Dugan can’t pass, but he could back then, and he did – his 10 try assists and 10 line break assists remain career highs. He broke an astounding 170 tackles which not only remains a career high, but a total no player has surpassed since.

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Post by julian87 » February 12, 2020, 9:31 am

Looking back on it he was always going to struggle when he slowed up and he became less durable. His lack of ability to do anything creative with the ball was always evident but because he had such a strong, bouncing running game it didn't matter so much as a young fella. It also seems pretty obvious from the outside looking in that he just put way too much weight on in his mid 20s. Was probably told to do so to be more durable or have more utility value but it's done the opposite IMO and he's been below NRL standard in any position but right centre for a couple of years now for mine.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Post by julian87 » February 12, 2020, 9:38 am

Also; good on Cronulla for not releasing Josh Morris. Ramien got sniped off them and they signed Morris as the affordable alternative.They took the punt on him at 32 when it looked like his best might be behind him and from memory the only other club who went for him was the Titans. He performed well for them and I can understand his angst in not wanting to shift to the wing but that's the club's call, not his. If Cronulla were to release him they'd have zero chance of finding a replacement that is anywhere near as good or as good value for money.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2020

Post by Seiffert82 » February 12, 2020, 3:41 pm

greeneyed wrote:
February 12, 2020, 1:56 am
Remembering young Josh Dugan, the prince of Canberra

As the Josh Dugan saga continues to be played out, it seems there is a real possibility this could be the end of the Cronulla man’s career, or at least the end of a major part of it.

From the time he debuted in 2009, Dugan could always break tackles. If the first defender he met took him down it was a genuine shock. In that debut season he broke 104 tackles in 16 games — James Tedesco led the entire league in 2019 with 136 across 24 games. he was never better than he was in 2010. That was the kind of season any fullback would have been proud to call their best.

He scored 13 tries, which remains a career high. He made 21 line breaks, which remains a career high. They say now that Dugan can’t pass, but he could back then, and he did – his 10 try assists and 10 line break assists remain career highs. He broke an astounding 170 tackles which not only remains a career high, but a total no player has surpassed since.

Read more: ‪http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport/ ... 3dc0e8e68‬
He really was outstanding at his best. Just a pity he never really wanted to play for us. It always seemed a struggle to get him on the park.

It was almost impossible to emotionally invest in his career as it was inevitable he was going to leave the club one way or another.

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Post by greeneyed » February 12, 2020, 3:50 pm

According to The Daily Telegraph, two MRI scans have cleared him and the Sharks are now paying him $900,000 to nurse a “mystery illness”: https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/sport ... 7855029fd2
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2020

Post by -TW- » February 12, 2020, 4:11 pm

Inflamed wallet?

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Post by Northern Raider » February 12, 2020, 4:12 pm

I'm guessing mystery injuries don't qualify for medical retirement.
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Post by Seiffert82 » February 12, 2020, 4:36 pm

That is dead set outrageous. The guy is an absolute fraud.

He'll medically retired based on 'mental health' issues. I wonder under what circumstances the Sharks can sack him for breach of contract? Puts an interesting spin on the issue of his doctor giving him medical certificates to skip training.

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Post by gergreg » February 12, 2020, 5:09 pm

Seiffert82 wrote:That is dead set outrageous. The guy is an absolute fraud.

He'll medically retired based on 'mental health' issues. I wonder under what circumstances the Sharks can sack him for breach of contract? Puts an interesting spin on the issue of his doctor giving him medical certificates to skip training.
Didn't GI medically retire from mental illness issues?

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Post by Northern Raider » February 12, 2020, 5:20 pm

gergreg wrote:
February 12, 2020, 5:09 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:That is dead set outrageous. The guy is an absolute fraud.

He'll medically retired based on 'mental health' issues. I wonder under what circumstances the Sharks can sack him for breach of contract? Puts an interesting spin on the issue of his doctor giving him medical certificates to skip training.
Didn't GI medically retire from mental illness issues?

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Except I believe Inglis didn't get paid out the remainder of his contract like Surgess.
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2020

Post by gergreg » February 12, 2020, 5:33 pm

Northern Raider wrote:
gergreg wrote:
February 12, 2020, 5:09 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:That is dead set outrageous. The guy is an absolute fraud.

He'll medically retired based on 'mental health' issues. I wonder under what circumstances the Sharks can sack him for breach of contract? Puts an interesting spin on the issue of his doctor giving him medical certificates to skip training.
Didn't GI medically retire from mental illness issues?

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Except I believe Inglis didn't get paid out the remainder of his contract like Surgess.
I thought it was quite similar circumstances actually, cushy job. Kind of why everybody was losing their **** when Surgess did it too. Particularly Tigers supporters after the NRL hung them out to dry over Fatah.

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2020

Post by Northern Raider » February 12, 2020, 6:47 pm

gergreg wrote:
February 12, 2020, 5:33 pm
Northern Raider wrote:
gergreg wrote:
February 12, 2020, 5:09 pm
Seiffert82 wrote:That is dead set outrageous. The guy is an absolute fraud.

He'll medically retired based on 'mental health' issues. I wonder under what circumstances the Sharks can sack him for breach of contract? Puts an interesting spin on the issue of his doctor giving him medical certificates to skip training.
Didn't GI medically retire from mental illness issues?

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Except I believe Inglis didn't get paid out the remainder of his contract like Surgess.
I thought it was quite similar circumstances actually, cushy job. Kind of why everybody was losing their **** when Surgess did it too. Particularly Tigers supporters after the NRL hung them out to dry over Fatah.

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Tigers got royally screwed with Farah compared to what happened at Souffs. The only real difference was the Bunnies got permission from the NRL first.
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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2020

Post by -TW- » February 12, 2020, 8:11 pm

gergreg wrote:
Seiffert82 wrote:That is dead set outrageous. The guy is an absolute fraud.

He'll medically retired based on 'mental health' issues. I wonder under what circumstances the Sharks can sack him for breach of contract? Puts an interesting spin on the issue of his doctor giving him medical certificates to skip training.
Didn't GI medically retire from mental illness issues?

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Nah his knees and shoulder was cactus

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Re: Cronulla Sharks 2020

Post by gergreg » February 12, 2020, 8:21 pm

-TW- wrote:
gergreg wrote:
Seiffert82 wrote:That is dead set outrageous. The guy is an absolute fraud.

He'll medically retired based on 'mental health' issues. I wonder under what circumstances the Sharks can sack him for breach of contract? Puts an interesting spin on the issue of his doctor giving him medical certificates to skip training.
Didn't GI medically retire from mental illness issues?

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Nah his knees and shoulder was cactus

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But he was still playing. Bennett arrived and discovered he was taking painkillers to play. So arguably he was still capable of playing but his mental wellbeing was suffering and Bennett convinced him to retire. I think it was a good call and probably more above board than how the Surgess retirement unfolded. I can see parallels in the Dugan case. He thinks his body and mind have had enough and the sharks are pissed because they signed him for big dollars. Classic case of buyers remorse.

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