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Clive Churchill Medal

Post by Travis » October 3, 2019, 11:17 am

With a number of predictions of the Clive Churchill Medalist doing the rounds, I thought it would be interesting to look at the history of the award by position and see if this determines the thinking around who will receive it in 2019. First awarded in 1986, the following positions have received the award (NRL era mentioned in brackets):

Spine
Fullback = 5 (4)
Five-eighth = 3 (2)
Halfback = 10 (6)
Hooker = 3 (2)

Total = 21 (14 in NRL era)

Forwards
Prop = 2 (2)
Second Row = 4 (3)
Lock = 6 (2)

Total = 12 (7)

Backs
Wing = 0
Centre = 0

Total = 0

So spine players have won two thirds of NRL-era CCMs, with forwards picking up the remaining awards. No winger or centre has ever won it. Also interesting to note that there have been three occasions where it has been awarded to a player on the losing team.

From an Easts perspective (the worst kind of perspective), the obvious favourite for Sunday is James Tedesco, and the fairy-tale narrative would see Cooper Cronk. I'm more interested in which Raider will get it, though. I would love to see our skipper receive it, but he would be working against history to be the first outside back to win it. The way Papalii is playing makes it hard to argue against him; I reckon he will be the third prop to take out the award.

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Re: Clive Churchill Medal

Post by pacman » October 3, 2019, 11:30 am

Hard to go past Papa or Hodgo, the way they are going in this finals series. Bateman or Wighton are contenders as well.

I would love to see it go to Hodgo. He was really the beginning of this clubs transformation and deserves all of the accolades he can get.

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Post by Northern Raider » October 3, 2019, 11:31 am

I'm still trying to replicate my windfall of 2003 when I backed Luke Priddis at $34.00
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Post by kona_dream » October 3, 2019, 11:44 am

I have Hodgo @ $23.

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Post by BJ » October 3, 2019, 12:02 pm

kona_dream wrote:I have Hodgo @ $23.
I have Sezer at $35, Whitehead at $67 and Hodgson at $15. But only a few bucks a piece.

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Post by Sid » October 3, 2019, 12:16 pm

I think they'll give it to Cronk
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Post by The Rickman » October 3, 2019, 12:56 pm

As I’ve been saying all along, halfbacks traditionally win this thing, so it’s Aidan Sezer’s to lose.
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Re: Clive Churchill Medal

Post by Seiffert82 » October 3, 2019, 1:04 pm

If we win this game it'll be Wighton IMO. His long kicking game, chase, defence and running will be so important for us.

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Post by Botman » October 3, 2019, 1:07 pm

I think when we win this thing, it'll be on the back of another iconic Josh Papalii performance or something special from one of the Englishmen... Whitehead is my smokey.
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Post by Northern Raider » October 3, 2019, 1:33 pm

PigRickman wrote:
October 3, 2019, 1:07 pm
I think when we win this thing, it'll be on the back of another iconic Josh Papalii performance or something special from one of the Englishmen... Whitehead is my smokey.
Whitehead has zero chance unfortunately. He had a couple of outstanding games this year that were recognised in the GH POTY voting but didn't even register a blip in post game ratings from the wider NRL community. Quite simply some of his best work is not the sexy stuff that gets attention. Admittedly he did get 3 Dally M points in Rnd 4 against the Cowboys where Anasta was judge.
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Post by Botman » October 3, 2019, 1:37 pm

I think there is a real chance this is a super tight game, where the play makers impact is some what restricted... I think it'll be a forward if we win a tight game, and Smelliot has snagged a try, or set one one up, and then just worked his **** **** off... he'll be in the conversation with Papalii and Bateman

He definitely has a higher chance than zero.
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Post by Junior » October 3, 2019, 1:39 pm

Jack Wighton @ $11
Josh Papalii @ $17

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Post by robtheraider » October 3, 2019, 2:57 pm

Does anyone know who the judges are ?

Might help to make an educated guess on the winner based on the competency level of the judges
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Re: Clive Churchill Medal

Post by afgtnk » October 3, 2019, 2:59 pm

The Rickman wrote:
October 3, 2019, 12:56 pm
As I’ve been saying all along, halfbacks traditionally win this thing, so it’s Aidan Sezer’s to lose.
You generally have to play well to win the CC medal, mate.

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Post by BJ » October 3, 2019, 3:02 pm

Get me Blocker Roach on the judging panel and I’ll lock in Papalli or JWH.

Get Bozo Fulton and we can lock in Jamie Buhrer.

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Post by julian87 » October 3, 2019, 3:10 pm

Northern Raider wrote:
October 3, 2019, 1:33 pm
PigRickman wrote:
October 3, 2019, 1:07 pm
I think when we win this thing, it'll be on the back of another iconic Josh Papalii performance or something special from one of the Englishmen... Whitehead is my smokey.
Whitehead has zero chance unfortunately. He had a couple of outstanding games this year that were recognised in the GH POTY voting but didn't even register a blip in post game ratings from the wider NRL community. Quite simply some of his best work is not the sexy stuff that gets attention. Admittedly he did get 3 Dally M points in Rnd 4 against the Cowboys where Anasta was judge.
I tend to disagree on this. The tough stuff gets noticed in these sorts of games imo.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Post by Northern Raider » October 3, 2019, 3:25 pm

julian87 wrote:
October 3, 2019, 3:10 pm
Northern Raider wrote:
October 3, 2019, 1:33 pm
PigRickman wrote:
October 3, 2019, 1:07 pm
I think when we win this thing, it'll be on the back of another iconic Josh Papalii performance or something special from one of the Englishmen... Whitehead is my smokey.
Whitehead has zero chance unfortunately. He had a couple of outstanding games this year that were recognised in the GH POTY voting but didn't even register a blip in post game ratings from the wider NRL community. Quite simply some of his best work is not the sexy stuff that gets attention. Admittedly he did get 3 Dally M points in Rnd 4 against the Cowboys where Anasta was judge.
I tend to disagree on this. The tough stuff gets noticed in these sorts of games imo.
Lookng at the list of winners its not reflected there. Glen Stewart in 2011 maybe. Otherwise if not a spine player its mostly high the profile forwards.
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Post by Seiffert82 » October 3, 2019, 3:41 pm

The likes of Taumalolo, Burgess and Clyde won it on the back of some freakish numbers. You typically have to run in excess of 200m and make 30-40 tackles to win this thing as a forward. The stuff Whitehead does for us is often off the ball. I just don't think it will get the attention required to win the CCM. Glad to be proven wrong.

If any of our forwards win it, it'll obviously be Papalii or maybe Bateman if he makes a couple of clean breaks. Otherwise it's Hodgo or Wighton.

Tedesco and JWH must be red hot favourites to win this thing for the Roosters, I'm not sure Keary is fit enough. Cordner could do it too.

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Post by hiriser » October 3, 2019, 4:11 pm

I would pick Wighton.

I can see him pinning a couple of roosters in goal for repeat sets, being the first tackler after every kick, shutting down tedesco ball and all, running hard all game and setting up a couple of tries.

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Post by Matt » October 3, 2019, 6:27 pm

For the Chooks the obvious is Teddy and Cronk. As a smokey, I can see Latrell breaking that centres duck, if he decides he wants too.

For us I think Hodgo is the obvious pick. I'd have Jack over Sezer too, as he is more likely to bring points scoring plays.

However, a Bateman, Papalii or BJ, another centre who is capable of getting a CC if he chooses, could do something ridiculas and take it.

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Post by Travis » October 3, 2019, 6:42 pm

robtheraider wrote:
October 3, 2019, 2:57 pm
Does anyone know who the judges are ?

Might help to make an educated guess on the winner based on the competency level of the judges
I'm fairly sure the judges of the award are the selectors of the Australian side.

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Post by -PJ- » October 4, 2019, 7:21 am

When we win this GF on Sunday night no ones going to care about the CC anyway..

I would be running nude in the streets and miss it for sure.
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-PJ- wrote:When we win this GF on Sunday night no ones going to care about the CC anyway..

I would be running nude in the streets and miss it for sure.
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Post by -PJ- » October 7, 2019, 1:56 pm

On the Monday bunker earlier they were saying that JWH was told post match he'd won the CC medal.

Another controversial moment.

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-PJ- wrote:On the Monday bunker earlier they were saying that JWH was told post match he'd won the CC medal.

Another controversial moment.

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What is the Monday Bunker?
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Post by -PJ- » October 7, 2019, 2:48 pm

greeneyed wrote:
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What is the Monday Bunker?
It's a half hour show hosted by "insert name here" on ch 500. 12-30pm every Monday..

Tim Gilbert it is..he's the host !

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-PJ- wrote:
October 7, 2019, 1:56 pm
On the Monday bunker earlier they were saying that JWH was told post match he'd won the CC medal.

Another controversial moment.

Can the NRL get anything right ?
I guess the judges changed their minds then... I thought the NRL made it quite clear that it was allowed, or did they change their minds on that yet again!?

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Post by greeneyed » October 7, 2019, 3:07 pm

-PJ- wrote:
October 7, 2019, 2:48 pm
greeneyed wrote:
October 7, 2019, 2:38 pm
What is the Monday Bunker?
It's a half hour show hosted by "insert name here" on ch 500. 12-30pm every Monday..

Tim Gilbert it is..he's the host !

How are you today GE ?

Dissapointed, but proud right ?

Ben sends his wishes.
I'm pretty flat, a bit depressed, empty. Tired, very tired, exhausted, drained. Proud of the team's effort.
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Post by greeneyed » October 7, 2019, 3:09 pm

scooter wrote:
October 7, 2019, 3:02 pm
-PJ- wrote:
October 7, 2019, 1:56 pm
On the Monday bunker earlier they were saying that JWH was told post match he'd won the CC medal.

Another controversial moment.

Can the NRL get anything right ?
I guess the judges changed their minds then... I thought the NRL made it quite clear that it was allowed, or did they change their minds on that yet again!?
Apparently, they told him he was the winner (maybe level with another player), but Darren Lockyer's votes hadn't been counted yet!

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/10/07/cli ... won-medal/

It is almost laughable how incompetent the NRL is.
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Post by -PJ- » October 7, 2019, 3:14 pm

greeneyed wrote:
October 7, 2019, 3:07 pm
-PJ- wrote:
October 7, 2019, 2:48 pm
greeneyed wrote:
October 7, 2019, 2:38 pm
What is the Monday Bunker?
It's a half hour show hosted by "insert name here" on ch 500. 12-30pm every Monday..

Tim Gilbert it is..he's the host !

How are you today GE ?

Dissapointed, but proud right ?

Ben sends his wishes.
I'm pretty flat, a bit depressed, empty. Tired, very tired, exhausted, drained. Proud of the team's effort.
Yeah..same.

All that !

Thanks again for a fantastic year GE.
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Thank you too PJ!
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Post by -PJ- » October 7, 2019, 3:36 pm

Merry Christmas mate.
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Post by Ruben Daley » October 7, 2019, 8:26 pm

greeneyed wrote:
October 7, 2019, 3:09 pm
scooter wrote:
October 7, 2019, 3:02 pm
-PJ- wrote:
October 7, 2019, 1:56 pm
On the Monday bunker earlier they were saying that JWH was told post match he'd won the CC medal.

Another controversial moment.

Can the NRL get anything right ?
I guess the judges changed their minds then... I thought the NRL made it quite clear that it was allowed, or did they change their minds on that yet again!?
Apparently, they told him he was the winner (maybe level with another player), but Darren Lockyer's votes hadn't been counted yet!

https://www.nrl.com/news/2019/10/07/cli ... won-medal/

It is almost laughable how incompetent the NRL is.
The best part of that debacle is that the two Raiders who were voting had JWH winning and it was Lockyer who swung it in favour of Jack.

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