2019 Rd 17 V Dragons: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
1
9%
Raiders 1-12
6
55%
Draw
0
No votes
Dragons 1-12
3
27%
Dragons 13+
1
9%
 
Total votes: 11

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Post by greeneyed » June 30, 2019, 1:09 am

2019 Rd 17 V Dragons: Teams and Previews

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Canberra Raiders V St George Illawarra Dragons
Sunday 14 July 6:10pm
Wollongong Stadium
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The Raiders produced a disappointing final 45 minutes against the Parramatta Eels, after leading 16-0 - with the Eels then scoring 22 unanswered points. Canberra has a bye in Round 16 and then travel to Wollongong in Round 17 to meet the Dragons. Who should line up for the Green Machine in their next round? Tell us your team here and see how you go in comparison to the official squad when announced. We will include the official line ups in the first post of this thread as soon as they're available.

OFFICIAL SQUADS

Canberra Raiders

1. Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
2. Bailey Simonsson
3. Jarrod Croker (C)
4. Nick Cotric
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Jack Wighton
7. Aidan Sezer
8. Josh Papalii
9. Josh Hodgson (C)
10. Dunamis Lui
11. John Bateman
12. Elliott Whitehead
13. Joe Tapine

14. Siliva Havili
15. Corey Horsburgh
16. Sia Soliola
17. Ryan Sutton

18. Sam Williams
19. Michael Oldfield
20. Royce Hunt
21. Emre Guler

Injury/Suspension

Hudson Young (Suspended) Round 19
Ata Hingano (Thumb) Round 20-22
Joey Leilua (Neck) Indefinite
Luke Bateman (Knee) Indefinite
Brad Abbey (Knee) Season

St George Illawarra Dragons

1. Matt Dufty
2. Jonus Pearson
3. Euan Aitken
4. Tim Lafai
5. Mikaele Ravalawa
6. Corey Norman
7. Darren Nicholls
8. Jeremy Latimore
9. Cameron McInnes (c)
10. Blake Lawrie
11. Jacob Host
12. Tariq Sims
13. Luciano Leilua

14. Korbin Sims
15. Reece Robson
16. Patrick Kaufusi
17. Josh Kerr

18. Tristan Sailor
19. Jason Saab
20. James Graham
21. Ben Hunt
22. Paul Vaughan
23. Tyson Frizell

Officials

Referees: Ashley Klein, Todd Smith
Sideline Officials: Kasey Badger, Nick Beashel
Video Referees: Jared Maxwell, Ben Galea

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Post by LastRaider » June 30, 2019, 6:24 am

1. CNK
2. Simonsson
3. Croker
4. Cotric
5. Rapana
6. Wighton
7. ??? Who knows ???
8. Horse
9. Hodgson
10. Papa
11. Whitehead
12. Tapine
13. Bateman

14. Starling
15. Lui
16. Sia
17. Murchie


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Post by edwahu » June 30, 2019, 6:45 am

Same team but with Cotric for Kris.

I'd think about starting Sutton and using Tapine or Lui off the bench so that the rotation is more effective.

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Post by -PJ- » June 30, 2019, 8:22 am

LastRaider wrote:
June 30, 2019, 6:24 am
1. CNK
2. Simonsson
3. Croker
4. Cotric
5. Rapana
6. Wighton
7. ??? Who knows ???
8. Horse
9. Hodgson
10. Papa
11. Whitehead
12. Tapine
13. Bateman

14. Starling
15. Lui
16. Sia
17. Murchie


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You dropped Sutton..

I'd be keeping him in the 17.
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Post by -PJ- » June 30, 2019, 9:57 am

A road trip to Wollongong..I hope the bus starts.

We had some bad luck with recent away journeys..
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Post by Thomas Raider » June 30, 2019, 11:53 am

-PJ- wrote:
June 30, 2019, 9:57 am
A road trip to Wollongong..I hope the bus starts.

We had some bad luck with recent away journeys..
I`ll take them there myself if I have too...get on the Thomas bus :roflmao

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Post by LastRaider » June 30, 2019, 12:02 pm

-PJ- wrote:
LastRaider wrote:
June 30, 2019, 6:24 am
1. CNK
2. Simonsson
3. Croker
4. Cotric
5. Rapana
6. Wighton
7. ??? Who knows ???
8. Horse
9. Hodgson
10. Papa
11. Whitehead
12. Tapine
13. Bateman

14. Starling
15. Lui
16. Sia
17. Murchie


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You dropped Sutton..

I'd be keeping him in the 17.
Yeah I would, it was betwen Sutton and Lui for me and Lui played better last night. Finding Sutton a little bit lazy on the inside with shuting the gate... if you know what I mean


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Post by The Rickman » June 30, 2019, 1:31 pm

Not a lot of changes needed, if we didn’t clock off just before halftime we win that game.

1. CNK
2. Simonsson
3. Croker
4. Cotric/Kris
5. Rapana
6. Wighton
7. Sezer
8. Papalii
9. Hodgo
10. Lui
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Soliola
16. Sutton
17. Anybody but Horsburgh

Time to switch Bateman and Tapine into their natural positions IMO. Also, Horsburgh has just never done it for me, and I literally think we win if he wasn’t out there last night. It’s a massive reason I reckon we didn’t see him again after halftime too. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Stick drops him for next game
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Post by Ruben Daley » June 30, 2019, 4:04 pm

Same team with two changes:

1. Cotric back in for Kris
2. The ticker and commitment we've seen for the rest of the season back in for the dropsies and weak defence we saw last night.

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Post by Raiders_Pat » June 30, 2019, 7:08 pm

The Rickman wrote:
June 30, 2019, 1:31 pm
Not a lot of changes needed, if we didn’t clock off just before halftime we win that game.

1. CNK
2. Simonsson
3. Croker
4. Cotric/Kris
5. Rapana
6. Wighton
7. Sezer
8. Papalii
9. Hodgo
10. Lui
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Soliola
16. Sutton
17. Anybody but Horsburgh

Time to switch Bateman and Tapine into their natural positions IMO. Also, Horsburgh has just never done it for me, and I literally think we win if he wasn’t out there last night. It’s a massive reason I reckon we didn’t see him again after halftime too. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Stick drops him for next game
I was gonna name the same side with Guler as the final spot for Horsburgh. I like what he's done in other games but agree that he didn't show up against the Eels... happy for one of the others to get a run and for Horsburgh to return later on in the season.

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Post by greeneyed » June 30, 2019, 7:16 pm

Josh Papalii backs Canberra Raiders teammate Jack Wighton to bounce back

Canberra Raiders big bopper Josh Papalii backs Jack Wighton to bounce back from his hot-and-cold game against Parramatta and thinks State of Origin will help him do it.

"I don't think he'll dwell too much on [Saturday night]. He tried his best and some things pulled off for him and some things didn't," Papalii said. "I've played with Jack for 130-140 games and I know what kind of player Jack is and he's definitely one that can bounce back."

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Fast starts slow endings hurting Canberra Raiders: Billy Slater

Origin great Billy Slater says letting teams back into the game is becoming an issue for Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart.

"They've got a bit of a trend to do this, Canberra, and it's probably going to be a bit of an issue for Ricky Stuart and the coaching staff," he said.

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Canberra Raiders: 'Aussie John' Bateman has a nice ring to it

John Bateman is loving Australia so much he's thinking of becoming a citizen.

"A few people have asked me about that. It's one of those things I'd definitely be interested in looking into," he said. "It would be massive for me. Josh [Hodgson] has got his now – 'Aussie Josh' is what we call him – and Elliott [Whitehead] is thinking about becoming 'Aussie Elliott'. I do really enjoy it here."

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Post by greeneyed » June 30, 2019, 7:44 pm

Well that's some good news this weekend!
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Post by gergreg » June 30, 2019, 7:48 pm

Tempted to go to this game. I don't get to many away games but I'll be in Sutherland for this game - no GE, not visiting my good mate Gallen - I guess it's a pretty easy train ride from Sutherland.

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Post by greeneyed » June 30, 2019, 9:15 pm

gerg... you should come! I'm going and we should meet up at the game! You should come on The Greenhouse Live!
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Post by Lucky » June 30, 2019, 9:27 pm

5 years ago we would be a deadset certainty to win this..... these days, no chance, Dragons have it all over us now. :thumbsdown

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Post by gergreg » June 30, 2019, 9:44 pm

greeneyed wrote:gerg... you should come! I'm going and we should meet up at the game! You should come on The Greenhouse Live!
It might actually depend on whether I'll have my new glasses by then. It's been tough to attend games in the past few years with bad eyesight, spending more time watching the big screen than the live action.

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Post by gangrenous » June 30, 2019, 9:48 pm

gergreg wrote:It might actually depend on whether I'll have my new glasses by then. It's been tough to attend games in the past few years with bad eyesight, spending more time refereeing them
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Post by Matt » July 1, 2019, 11:43 am

The Rickman wrote:
June 30, 2019, 1:31 pm
Not a lot of changes needed, if we didn’t clock off just before halftime we win that game.

1. CNK
2. Simonsson
3. Croker
4. Cotric/Kris
5. Rapana
6. Wighton
7. Sezer
8. Papalii
9. Hodgo
10. Lui
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Soliola
16. Sutton
17. Anybody but Horsburgh

Time to switch Bateman and Tapine into their natural positions IMO. Also, Horsburgh has just never done it for me, and I literally think we win if he wasn’t out there last night. It’s a massive reason I reckon we didn’t see him again after halftime too. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Stick drops him for next game
I can definitely get on board with this.
My only queries is, does Tapine have 80mins in him? He still looks a little under done for mine. BUT, we do need Bateman's mongrel, and him having a few more touches. I suppose you could always just shift Bateo back to the edge if Tapine is gassed.

Young still has 2 games to go on his suspension. Who do you bring in? Guler? Do you carry Kris as injury cover?

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Post by The Rickman » July 1, 2019, 12:16 pm

Matt wrote:
July 1, 2019, 11:43 am
The Rickman wrote:
June 30, 2019, 1:31 pm
Not a lot of changes needed, if we didn’t clock off just before halftime we win that game.

1. CNK
2. Simonsson
3. Croker
4. Cotric/Kris
5. Rapana
6. Wighton
7. Sezer
8. Papalii
9. Hodgo
10. Lui
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Soliola
16. Sutton
17. Anybody but Horsburgh

Time to switch Bateman and Tapine into their natural positions IMO. Also, Horsburgh has just never done it for me, and I literally think we win if he wasn’t out there last night. It’s a massive reason I reckon we didn’t see him again after halftime too. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Stick drops him for next game
I can definitely get on board with this.
My only queries is, does Tapine have 80mins in him? He still looks a little under done for mine. BUT, we do need Bateman's mongrel, and him having a few more touches. I suppose you could always just shift Bateo back to the edge if Tapine is gassed.

Young still has 2 games to go on his suspension. Who do you bring in? Guler? Do you carry Kris as injury cover?
Honestly, I bring in anybody to replace Horsburgh... Guler, Hunt, Murchie until Young is back.

And no, I don't carry an outside back on my bench to cover an injury, that's poor bench use.
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Post by -PJ- » July 1, 2019, 12:23 pm

I too would like to see Bateo back to lock and JoeTaps back on an edge.

I understand Taps is just a game or two back from injury but the more he plays the better he gets.

In my opinion Joe is a fantastic player, we just need to keep him on the paddock, he'll come good.

And John Bateman..he just wants the ball..want an animal !!
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Post by The Rickman » July 1, 2019, 12:39 pm

-PJ- wrote:
July 1, 2019, 12:23 pm
I too would like to see Bateo back to lock and JoeTaps back on an edge.

I understand Taps is just a game or two back from injury but the more he plays the better he gets.

In my opinion Joe is a fantastic player, we just need to keep him on the paddock, he'll come good.

And John Bateman..he just wants the ball..want an animal !!
Yup, just makes sense to have them the other way around... complements both their games AND the team better to have Bateman in the guts and Tarps out wide.
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Post by Matt » July 1, 2019, 1:12 pm

The Rickman wrote:
July 1, 2019, 12:16 pm
Matt wrote:
July 1, 2019, 11:43 am
The Rickman wrote:
June 30, 2019, 1:31 pm
Not a lot of changes needed, if we didn’t clock off just before halftime we win that game.

1. CNK
2. Simonsson
3. Croker
4. Cotric/Kris
5. Rapana
6. Wighton
7. Sezer
8. Papalii
9. Hodgo
10. Lui
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Soliola
16. Sutton
17. Anybody but Horsburgh

Time to switch Bateman and Tapine into their natural positions IMO. Also, Horsburgh has just never done it for me, and I literally think we win if he wasn’t out there last night. It’s a massive reason I reckon we didn’t see him again after halftime too. Wouldn’t be surprised at all if Stick drops him for next game
I can definitely get on board with this.
My only queries is, does Tapine have 80mins in him? He still looks a little under done for mine. BUT, we do need Bateman's mongrel, and him having a few more touches. I suppose you could always just shift Bateo back to the edge if Tapine is gassed.

Young still has 2 games to go on his suspension. Who do you bring in? Guler? Do you carry Kris as injury cover?
Honestly, I bring in anybody to replace Horsburgh... Guler, Hunt, Murchie until Young is back.

And no, I don't carry an outside back on my bench to cover an injury, that's poor bench use.
I dont mind the back on the bench, in the age of HIA, as long as you know there are enough mins in your pack and you have an 80min hooker. Which in our case we do. But I do see the other side of the equation, and my preference is to select versatility on the bench rather than backups - eg Havili, or a Wade Graham, etc.

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Post by Matt » July 1, 2019, 1:23 pm

The Rickman wrote:
July 1, 2019, 12:39 pm
-PJ- wrote:
July 1, 2019, 12:23 pm
I too would like to see Bateo back to lock and JoeTaps back on an edge.

I understand Taps is just a game or two back from injury but the more he plays the better he gets.

In my opinion Joe is a fantastic player, we just need to keep him on the paddock, he'll come good.

And John Bateman..he just wants the ball..want an animal !!
Yup, just makes sense to have them the other way around... complements both their games AND the team better to have Bateman in the guts and Tarps out wide.
The only thing that might sway that conversation is defensively. Bateman and Whitehead clean up a hell of a lot of mess on the edges and keep out halves pretty well protected.

However, Im in agreeance with you two, id swap them.

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Post by The Rickman » July 1, 2019, 1:25 pm

While we have Sezer in the team instead of Williams I’m quite happy to have Tapine on the edge

Sezer doesn’t need a secondrower to “clean up for him”
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Post by papabear » July 1, 2019, 2:08 pm

I used to be the biggest critic of whitehead but im his biggest fan these days.

With no cotric or leilua our outside backs are a bit less threatening so the need for a guy who has a good brain on him and distributes well to those monsters is a bit less. So maybe tapine by a nose for his aggression on the edge but really at full strength, for balance, i like whitehead being on an edge over tapine at this point in there careers.

You cant move bateman, he has been our best this year.

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Post by Matt » July 1, 2019, 2:42 pm

The Rickman wrote:
July 1, 2019, 1:25 pm
While we have Sezer in the team instead of Williams I’m quite happy to have Tapine on the edge

Sezer doesn’t need a secondrower to “clean up for him”
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Post by julian87 » July 1, 2019, 2:53 pm

CNK
Simonsson
Croker
Cotric/Oldfield
Rapana
Wighton
Sezer
Papalii
Hodgson
Lui
Whitehead
Bateman
Sutton

Havili
Tapine
Soliola
Horsburgh/Guler

And I’d still consider trying a game with Havili playing the first 15 at hooker then continuing for another 10/15 as the sub for the first middle change. Tapine on the bench simply because I don’t think the pack is strong enough to have him and Papalii on the bench at the same time at all. And Sutton is a better starter than a benchy.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Post by The Rickman » July 1, 2019, 2:58 pm

julian87 wrote:
July 1, 2019, 2:53 pm
CNK
Simonsson
Croker
Cotric/Oldfield
Rapana
Wighton
Sezer
Papalii
Hodgson
Lui
Whitehead
Bateman
Sutton

Havili
Tapine
Soliola
Horsburgh/Guler

And I’d still consider trying a game with Havili playing the first 15 at hooker then continuing for another 10/15 as the sub for the first middle change. Tapine on the bench simply because I don’t think the pack is strong enough to have him and Papalii on the bench at the same time at all. And Sutton is a better starter than a benchy.
I would like to try the same thing too Jules, unfortunately I just don't think it would ever happen.
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Post by gilby_gillard » July 1, 2019, 4:24 pm

julian87 wrote:
July 1, 2019, 2:53 pm
CNK
Simonsson
Croker
Cotric/Oldfield
Rapana
Wighton
Sezer
Papalii
Hodgson
Lui
Whitehead
Bateman
Sutton

Havili
Tapine
Soliola
Horsburgh/Guler

And I’d still consider trying a game with Havili playing the first 15 at hooker then continuing for another 10/15 as the sub for the first middle change. Tapine on the bench simply because I don’t think the pack is strong enough to have him and Papalii on the bench at the same time at all. And Sutton is a better starter than a benchy.
Definitely agree re Sutton - all of his great games have been starting. Could we start him and have Lui off the bench if we leave Tapine in the starting line up?

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Re: 2019 Rd 17 V Dragons: Teams and Previews

Post by zim » July 2, 2019, 11:57 am

1. CNK
2. Simonsson
3. Croker
4. Cotric
5. Rapana
6. Wighton
7. Sezer
8. Papalii
9. Hodgson
10. Sutton
11. Whitehead
12. Bateman
13. Tapine

14. Havili
15. Horsburgh
16. Lui
17. Soliola

A couple of players are a performance away from being dropped. I also think we should change the interchange strategy a bit. Prefer Havili on later.

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Re: 2019 Rd 17 V Dragons: Teams and Previews

Post by yurithe1 » July 2, 2019, 12:01 pm

I've picked Oldfield on the bench. We have lost some dire games because a centre was injured and the pack had to be reshuffled with Bateman going to the backs. He can play in the centres, but we lose a lot when he moves out there. Oldfield can cover centre and wing and if CNK gets injured, Cotric or Rapana can slot into his spot.

1. CNK
2. Simonsson
3. Croker
4. Cotric. Kris if he's still injured.
5. Rapana
6. Wighton
7. Williams. Sezar went missing far too often, despite putting in that kick for a try.
8. Lui
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Whitehead
12. Tapine
13. Bateman

14. Oldfield
15. Havilii
16. Soliola, simply because he always gets picked. The new Luke Bateman.
17. Guler
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Re: 2019 Rd 17 V Dragons: Teams and Previews

Post by BadnMean » July 2, 2019, 12:41 pm

Oldfield has been playing FB at Mounties when Simmonsen is up in FG, so easier just to slide him in there if an injury to CNK.

I'm 50/50 whether Hors gets a chance at redemption after his injury layoff. But to come back and look lazy... I can see your point.

Sutton straight out the back door? I don't think that will ha[[en but he's a bit lost when not starting.

Comparing Sia to L Bateman is harsh. But I was hoping he'd find his zip again after the break to refresh but he is starting to look a but like the game is passing him by a bit too often.

Batmen and Tapine swap could tighten up the middle.

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Re: 2019 Rd 17 V Dragons: Teams and Previews

Post by greeneyed » July 2, 2019, 1:14 pm

Oldfield only played half the game for Mounties on the weekend. Presume there’s an injury issue.


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