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Re: Current dummy half

Post by julian87 » June 14, 2019, 10:36 am

I still reckon there’s a case for Havili playing the first 20 and Hodgson playing 60. But it’s sacrilege to have guns on the bench apparently.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Re: Current dummy half

Post by The Rickman » June 14, 2019, 10:40 am

julian87 wrote:
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I still reckon there’s a case for Havili playing the first 20 and Hodgson playing 60. But it’s sacrilege to have guns on the bench apparently.
That's really not that stupid... I think every single game we've started with Havili (barring the Tigers game last week), we've raced out to a commanding lead and then been run down.

Bringing Hodgson on at the 20th minute mark when we're up 12 or 18-nil would just crush the opposition.
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Re: Current dummy half

Post by zim » June 14, 2019, 10:59 am

It would work in some cases but it's never going to get a yes from me. Pick your strongest side against the oppositions strongest and let the lower tier guys sort themselves out against the other second stringers.

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Re: Current dummy half

Post by The Rickman » June 14, 2019, 11:00 am

Also, there's almost no way Hodgson would go for it, so it's not a realistic scenario.
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Re: Current dummy half

Post by julian87 » June 14, 2019, 11:01 am

zim wrote:
June 14, 2019, 10:59 am
It would work in some cases but it's never going to get a yes from me. Pick your strongest side against the oppositions strongest and let the lower tier guys sort themselves out against the other second stringers.
It’s a 17 man game. Your bench shouldn’t be the next 4 best players imo.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Re: Current dummy half

Post by zim » June 14, 2019, 11:03 am

The game also goes for a finite amount of time. Giving the opposition the chance to put a lead on you so you can worry about playing catch up later in the match is not how I pick sides.
But I know I'm not in the majority with that opinion.

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Re: Current dummy half

Post by The Rickman » June 14, 2019, 11:14 am

zim wrote:
June 14, 2019, 11:03 am
The game also goes for a finite amount of time. Giving the opposition the chance to put a lead on you so you can worry about playing catch up later in the match is not how I pick sides.
But I know I'm not in the majority with that opinion.
I think you're completely missing what we're saying. We generally race out to a lead when Havili starts at hooker, and then we die in the ****.

It's not the other way around.
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Re: Current dummy half

Post by zim » June 14, 2019, 1:19 pm

The Rickman wrote:
June 14, 2019, 11:14 am
zim wrote:
June 14, 2019, 11:03 am
The game also goes for a finite amount of time. Giving the opposition the chance to put a lead on you so you can worry about playing catch up later in the match is not how I pick sides.
But I know I'm not in the majority with that opinion.
I think you're completely missing what we're saying. We generally race out to a lead when Havili starts at hooker, and then we die in the ****.

It's not the other way around.
If that's the point that was being made I did miss it.
"Generally" I don't think we do. We had quick starts for the first 3 games of 2018 and obviously the sharks game but what those games also have in common is high error rates and low completions from the opposition in the first 20. Havili was great at helping take advantage of that. Hodgo would be as well.
All things being even before the game starts I'm still picking Hodgo.

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Re: Current dummy half

Post by The Rickman » June 14, 2019, 3:21 pm

zim wrote:
June 14, 2019, 1:19 pm
The Rickman wrote:
June 14, 2019, 11:14 am
zim wrote:
June 14, 2019, 11:03 am
The game also goes for a finite amount of time. Giving the opposition the chance to put a lead on you so you can worry about playing catch up later in the match is not how I pick sides.
But I know I'm not in the majority with that opinion.
I think you're completely missing what we're saying. We generally race out to a lead when Havili starts at hooker, and then we die in the ****.

It's not the other way around.
If that's the point that was being made I did miss it.
"Generally" I don't think we do. We had quick starts for the first 3 games of 2018 and obviously the sharks game but what those games also have in common is high error rates and low completions from the opposition in the first 20. Havili was great at helping take advantage of that. Hodgo would be as well.
All things being even before the game starts I'm still picking Hodgo.
We absolutely do. Go back to every game this year and last year that we've started with Havili at hooker and we've almost always got out to a 12-0, 18-0, 20-0 lead within the first 20 minutes.

THAT was the whole purpose of our idea, the very fact you tried to argue against it for the opposite reasons is mind-boggling to me.
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Re: Current dummy half

Post by zim » June 14, 2019, 4:23 pm

I did go back to all the games Havili started in. You're wrong. But that's ok I knew this was generally coming from a bit of hyperbole.

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Re: Current dummy half

Post by The Rickman » June 15, 2019, 8:14 am

zim wrote:I did go back to all the games Havili started in. You're wrong. But that's ok I knew this was generally coming from a bit of hyperbole.
Ok, so this year he’s started in the last three games, we’ve got out to strong leads in all three.

Last year he started the first four games and all four we got out to “unloseable” leads and we lost all four.

I’m not even sure why you’re just arguing for the point of it. Just admit that you missed what the conversation was about and move on from it
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Re: Current dummy half

Post by BadnMean » June 15, 2019, 11:13 am

That's a very interesting stat. I wonder if Ricky is fed those kind of things.

He may ignore it to keep Hodgo happy, who doesn't see himself as a bench hooker and just won't wear it.

Or Ricky himself may just shrug and ignore it as too weird for him.

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Re: Current dummy half

Post by edwahu » June 15, 2019, 12:21 pm

He started 14 games last year though.

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Re: Current dummy half

Post by Seiffert82 » June 15, 2019, 4:04 pm

Many of which we started OK and then got run down in the second half.

Not sure I'd start arguably our most important player on the bench, but statistically the idea has merit. He could destroy many teams coming on fresh after 20.

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