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Wests Tigers set to sign Laurie Daley as halves coach

Post by greeneyed » January 23, 2019, 4:05 pm

Wests Tigers sign Canberra Raiders legend Laurie Daley as halves coach

The Wests Tigers have scored a massive coup leading into the new season by signing league legend Laurie Daley to join their coaching staff. He will work as a halves coach with the Tigers, specifically mentoring rising star Luke Brooks.

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Meh

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Post by greeneyed » January 23, 2019, 8:26 pm

Daley confirms once again he does nothing for the Raiders post his playing career. Disappointing.
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Post by Dusty » January 23, 2019, 8:28 pm

He works in Sydney with his media/radio commitments. It makes sense


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Post by gangrenous » January 23, 2019, 8:30 pm

greeneyed wrote:Daley confirms once again he does nothing for the Raiders post his playing career. Disappointing.
You seen him coach NSW? Sabotaging the Tigers for us.

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Post by LimeGreenMachine » January 23, 2019, 8:34 pm

He was unbearable to listen to when he was in the Dragons camp.

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Re: Wests Tigers sign Laurie Daley as halves coach

Post by Botman » January 23, 2019, 8:36 pm

greeneyed wrote:
January 23, 2019, 8:26 pm
Daley confirms once again he does nothing for the Raiders post his playing career. Disappointing.
so what offers have we made to him to be involved in our coaching staff? Cause i havent heard of us trying to bring him at any stage...
But we still gonna pretend like he's doing us dirty because he wants a paid coaching job in the city he lives.

Cool, ok.
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Post by nacho » January 23, 2019, 9:00 pm

I love Loz, my favourite Raider ever... but an impactful coach he is not...

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Post by Coastalraider » January 23, 2019, 9:28 pm

He isn’t the guy we need, but it’s frustrating to see other teams with halves coaches, while we keep struggling with Average halves who can’t manage games.

I loved hearing Matty Johns talking about how he was changing Adam Reynolds game, and just wish we could have someone come in and work with Sezer/Williams/Hingano, and now Jack.

Because Sticky has proven for decades, while he was the best half, he’s a terrible halves coach.

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Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » January 24, 2019, 6:14 am

Didn’t we have Andrew Johns on the books coaching McCrone at one point?


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Post by gangrenous » January 24, 2019, 6:49 am

I’ve said this before, but I have zero confidence in Andrew Johns’ ability to coach somebody. Might get some bounce/confidence from having met him.

For coaches I think you really want the next level down. The players who had to work hard and think about their game just to be a first grader. You don’t want someone whose natural talent and vision just made it happen for them.

I suspect Matt Johns would make a better halves coach than Andrew.
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Re: Wests Tigers sign Laurie Daley as halves coach

Post by Botman » January 24, 2019, 7:22 am

I think in the cases of guys like Stuart, Daley, A.Johns... they were so naturally gifted, their vision for the game was incredible but how do you teach that? I mean you can sit down in a film session and show someone some tape and say this is how i read the play, this is why and because player x did this, i did this because i knew it then that opened up that... and whatever... you can do that, but at some point the player is either able to process that and see it in real time or they cant.

Least of all to mention the chances someone like Daley created simply because he was Laurie Daley and he bigger, stronger, better than everyone else... you cant teach that.

So yeah i think Greeny is right, in terms of coaching, it feels like the guys best served to do that are the less talented guys who had to grind daily to get the most out of their talents because it didnt come as naturally to them as the elite players
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Post by greeneyed » January 24, 2019, 12:45 pm

Maguire wants good mate to give Tigers halves some help - but no deal done yet

Wests Tigers coach Michael Maguire has reached out to good friend Laurie Daley about coming on board at the joint venture as a halves consultant.

"Loz would be an enormous addition for any organisation because of his knowledge,'' Maguire said. "I talk footy with Loz all the time. We've had a connection from our Canberra days. But nothing has been done in terms of him officially coming on board.''

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Post by edwahu » January 24, 2019, 12:55 pm

I think Johns was just a part time consultant for us but he I think he has pretty good recent record as a more dedicated halves coach.

Also when I listen to him talk football vs Daley and Stuart he clearly knows the modern game a lot better than they do. When he is serious he is one of the best minds in the game.

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Post by woppadingo » January 24, 2019, 4:12 pm

Just a theory....
Great halves with natural ability might not know how they do it and so cant teach it.
Players who teach themselves, or are taught, to be good halves, learn the techniques and can therefore pass them on.

So it could be that guys like a. Johns and stuart might not be good halves coaches yet ironically, someone like McCrone could end up a good coach. :shock: not saying mccrone is anywhere near a good half but has miraculously sustained a career with little to no ability.

It would be great to see matty johns as a raiders halves coach.

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Post by dubby » January 24, 2019, 5:28 pm

greeneyed wrote:Daley confirms once again he does nothing for the Raiders post his playing career. Disappointing.
He was here briefly a few years ago.

He's a pretty poor coach IMO

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Post by Botman » January 24, 2019, 7:45 pm

woppadingo wrote:
January 24, 2019, 4:12 pm
Just a theory....
Great halves with natural ability might not know how they do it and so cant teach it.
Players who teach themselves, or are taught, to be good halves, learn the techniques and can therefore pass them on.

So it could be that guys like a. Johns and stuart might not be good halves coaches yet ironically, someone like McCrone could end up a good coach. :shock: not saying mccrone is anywhere near a good half but has miraculously sustained a career with little to no ability.

It would be great to see matty johns as a raiders halves coach.
Yeah i think that's exactly what Greeny and I are saying too. Guys who had to actively think about their game and work at it because they weren't very good... they may not be good but they know how to work to be good, so putting those techniques and work ethic into a more talented player should, in theory, produce pretty good results
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Post by Northern Raider » January 24, 2019, 8:10 pm

Pigman wrote:
January 24, 2019, 7:45 pm
woppadingo wrote:
January 24, 2019, 4:12 pm
Just a theory....
Great halves with natural ability might not know how they do it and so cant teach it.
Players who teach themselves, or are taught, to be good halves, learn the techniques and can therefore pass them on.

So it could be that guys like a. Johns and stuart might not be good halves coaches yet ironically, someone like McCrone could end up a good coach. :shock: not saying mccrone is anywhere near a good half but has miraculously sustained a career with little to no ability.

It would be great to see matty johns as a raiders halves coach.
Yeah i think that's exactly what Greeny and I are saying too. Guys who had to actively think about their game and work at it because they were very good... they may not be good but they know how to work to be good, so putting those techniques and work ethic into a more talented player should, in theory, produce pretty good results
Josh Reynolds type. Low end of the scale talent wise. Had to rely on game smarts to compete at the level he did.
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Post by Botman » January 24, 2019, 8:17 pm

i'll bet Cooper Cronk makes a damn good coach if he wants to be.
He had to work REALLY hard to be as good as he is. He's more talented than most but he was not gifted with any real physical gifts. He didnt come in as a particularly highly touted halfback prospect, he was a utility, i don't think he's a JT level natural talent.
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Post by gergreg » January 24, 2019, 8:31 pm

edwahu wrote:I think Johns was just a part time consultant for us but he I think he has pretty good recent record as a more dedicated halves coach.

Also when I listen to him talk football vs Daley and Stuart he clearly knows the modern game a lot better than they do. When he is serious he is one of the best minds in the game.
Agreed, some of the things he points out in commentary is pretty interesting and not something that you pick up on immediately.

I think JT would make a good coach. He clearly worked incredibly hard on his game.

A McCrone and Buttriss coaching duo could be absolute dynamite. Two average players who punched out 100 NRL games.

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Post by gangrenous » January 24, 2019, 8:44 pm

Pigman wrote:i'll bet Cooper Cronk makes a damn good coach if he wants to be.
He had to work REALLY hard to be as good as he is. He's more talented than most but he was not gifted with any real physical gifts. He didnt come in as a particularly highly touted halfback prospect, he was a utility, i don't think he's a JT level natural talent.
Agreed, I would jump at giving Smith or Cronk an opportunity to coach the Raiders.

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Post by dubby » January 24, 2019, 9:03 pm

That was Matt Johns, I think.

And McCrone actually said something like "oh, now I know where I'm meant to stand" Image

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dubby wrote:That was Matt Johns, I think.

And McCrone actually said something like "oh, now I know where I'm meant to stand" Image

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Post by Northern Raider » January 24, 2019, 9:56 pm

Pigman wrote:
January 24, 2019, 8:17 pm
i'll bet Cooper Cronk makes a damn good coach if he wants to be.
He had to work REALLY hard to be as good as he is. He's more talented than most but he was not gifted with any real physical gifts. He didnt come in as a particularly highly touted halfback prospect, he was a utility, i don't think he's a JT level natural talent.
Cronk above average on talent but his work ethic and game smarts made him one of the best ever. Almost like best of both worlds. I'll be shocked if he doesn't turn out to be a brilliant coach in some shape or form.
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Northern Raider wrote:
January 24, 2019, 9:56 pm
Pigman wrote:
January 24, 2019, 8:17 pm
i'll bet Cooper Cronk makes a damn good coach if he wants to be.
He had to work REALLY hard to be as good as he is. He's more talented than most but he was not gifted with any real physical gifts. He didnt come in as a particularly highly touted halfback prospect, he was a utility, i don't think he's a JT level natural talent.
Cronk above average on talent but his work ethic and game smarts made him one of the best ever. Almost like best of both worlds. I'll be shocked if he doesn't turn out to be a brilliant coach in some shape or form.
Or alternatively, he's even smarter, like Sterling, and figures he should never kill the mystique by actually testing it against reality.

Those were/are two blokes who effectively coached while on the field. It doesn't mean they could coach a whole club, but they could probably offer a lot as specialists. Like Matt Johns. Or Paul Green. Then again, against that I give you Jason Taylor. And Stuart.

Ideally we could find some sort of halves-whisperer that no one else knew about. Hopefully it's Cappy...
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woppadingo wrote:
January 24, 2019, 4:12 pm
Just a theory....
Great halves with natural ability might not know how they do it and so cant teach it.
Players who teach themselves, or are taught, to be good halves, learn the techniques and can therefore pass them on.

So it could be that guys like a. Johns and stuart might not be good halves coaches yet ironically, someone like McCrone could end up a good coach. :shock: not saying mccrone is anywhere near a good half but has miraculously sustained a career with little to no ability.

It would be great to see matty johns as a raiders halves coach.
Whilst I agree with the theory.

The example was woeful.

The only reason microne got the nod over Herbert was his quickness and effort (at the time and I still agree with that decision).

However he was a garbage kicker / passer / decision maker.

Kicking and passing are just technique and practice. Something he could have improved greatly but never did.

Decision making you can improve but if you as a player never improved in this area, you probably aren’t the best bloke to be coaching others.

JT became elite off sheer hard work and honing his skills, not due to size or speed / Cooper Cronk same again.

i would say Trent Barrett made a go of coaching despite him fitting squarely in the elite because of athleticism category.

But who knows if he doesn’t get another gig his coaching won’t be remembered all that fondly.

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Post by Woodgers » January 25, 2019, 1:31 pm

GE why does Laurie cop the criticism and every other bloke who played for us who is coaching (or consulting) elsewhere like Mal get a free pass?

It is what Pigman has been banging on about, these blokes aren't particularly well credentialed so they need to take employment and look after themselves and their families completely selfishly where they can in most cases.
We continue to **** about with blokes that are part of some fraternity. It's infuriating.

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Post by greeneyed » January 25, 2019, 1:35 pm

I'm not too thrilled with Mal Meninga joining the Titans either to be honest.
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Post by Woodgers » January 25, 2019, 2:24 pm

Fair enough. It has never sat well with me that we've seen our greats in other jerseys or polo shirts either. But I have come around to the Pigman way of thinking that these blokes are commodities and they just do what they have to in order to survive.
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Post by Brew » January 25, 2019, 3:38 pm

It’s a different era GE, unfortunately.
Would rather some ex-Raiders with actual creditable coaching success like Madge or Bellamy before getting worried about where Daley is.


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Post by LP Raider » January 25, 2019, 4:30 pm

I have no idea what GE is banging on about.

If your looking at anyone it's some up and comer from the Storm system, not some dinosaur from the 90's.

At the end of the day it's a halves coaching gig, a job for one of the boys.

This ain't the NFL where a QB coaching roll would actually mean something, this is the NRL a fairly basic and primitive game.

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Post by I'm Bate Man » January 25, 2019, 6:22 pm

The club sold its soul when we moved Ricky and Clyde on during there playing days, you can’t blame an ex player for getting a job.


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Post by LP Raider » January 25, 2019, 7:15 pm

dubby wrote:
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That was Matt Johns, I think.

And McCrone actually said something like "oh, now I know where I'm meant to stand" Image

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Post by greeneyed » January 25, 2019, 8:27 pm

Sorry, I'm old fashioned. One club, forever... You don't go helping other opposition clubs to defeat your own. No matter what.
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