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Re: Jack Wighton set for "shock" switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by Raiders_Pat » January 13, 2019, 9:09 am

LimeGreenMachine wrote:
January 13, 2019, 9:00 am



Clip on Wighton , last try around 3min shows a deft kick for a try.

The rest of the tries show why he should be fullback , Im so torn now .
His defence at fullback is also second to none... I'm a big fan of Wighton at fullback but, if it's easier for our club to bring in an NRL level fullback than an NRL level half, I'm in support of him moving.

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Re: Jack Wighton set for "shock" switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by Raiders_Pat » January 13, 2019, 9:12 am

Ruben Daley wrote:
January 13, 2019, 9:02 am
Raiders_Pat wrote:
January 12, 2019, 9:06 pm
Ruben Daley wrote:
January 12, 2019, 8:55 pm
The club doesn’t see Cotric as ready for fullback yet so either they’ve decided Abbey is ready for the role full-time (which would surprise me) or they’re confident Edwards is coming.
I'm not a religious man but I'm praying for the latter
My info was the club wouldn’t move Jack unless they got Edwards or someone similar. Not sure if that’s changed but I hope not.
Knowing how our club usually operates, we might have somebody on the way but more likely it's somebody in the Dufty category rather than Edwards.

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Re: Jack Wighton set for "shock" switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by LimeGreenMachine » January 13, 2019, 9:18 am

Raiders_Pat wrote:
January 13, 2019, 9:09 am
LimeGreenMachine wrote:
January 13, 2019, 9:00 am



Clip on Wighton , last try around 3min shows a deft kick for a try.

The rest of the tries show why he should be fullback , Im so torn now .
His defence at fullback is also second to none... I'm a big fan of Wighton at fullback but, if it's easier for our club to bring in an NRL level fullback than an NRL level half, I'm in support of him moving.
I agree , but we need to bring someone in for the move to happen. I hope the Edwards rumour is on the money.

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Re: Jack Wighton set for "shock" switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » January 13, 2019, 10:33 am

-PJ- wrote:This is happening because we have little option.

It also tells me we are about to get a fullback..any day now !
Or Williams is radically going to be our FB...

I’m willing to give Jack a 2nd chance at 5/8. Last time he was there, we had a 1 legged Campo as his Halves partner. Happy to see how he goes with a proper Halfback

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Re: Jack Wighton set for "shock" switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by bonehead » January 13, 2019, 11:42 am

just let Rapana kick

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Post by -PJ- » January 13, 2019, 3:24 pm

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Re: Jack Wighton set for "shock" switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by Woodgers » January 13, 2019, 5:02 pm

The conversation around this idea often has people in 1 of 2 groups. The majority of people that are opposed to this on here or the various social media outlets talk about how it is a bad move because Jack can't kick or his passing game isn't strong enough and generally focus on what he brings to the attack in both positions. The people that are for it have identified that this move isn't about the attack, it's about stiffening up the front line defence where we leak the most amount of points and this is why i've been for it for about 12 months. We can score points even with makeshift halves, that's not our problem and if Hodgson if fit and playing I think we'll get by with everything revolving around him anyhow. My opinion is we're going to move the needle more on the points differential (and hopefully points ladder) with Jack defending and attacking at 6 and putting Cotric of even Abbey at fullback for the first part of the season at least.

I'm not going to die in a ditch either way whether Sticky chooses to start the season with Jack at 6 or Jack at 1 with Williams at 7. What pleases me though is that it appears the coaching staff has changed the focus of winning games from blowing teams apart with our attack to firming up the defence like I say above, and I must say that whilst i'm not anything like a confident Raiders fan going into 2019, I go in more optimistic if that is our focus and mindset. If we concede less points we'll win more games. It's that simple for me.
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Re: Jack Wighton set for shock switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by Pigman » January 13, 2019, 6:11 pm

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I'd much prefer Williams and Wighton. Sezer doesn't have the kicking skill for this to function well IMO.
He can tackle though.
Will be happy to be proven wrong but the kicking looks exceptionally weak with this combo. If Hodgson does more that would help although his kicking game has been a bit down the past couple seasons also.
I’ve seen nothing to suggest Williams is any better at kicking
He’s been largely trash as well
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Post by -PJ- » January 13, 2019, 6:14 pm

I must admit that everytime I see Jack render Sower unconscious I giggle a bit...
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Re: Jack Wighton set for shock switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by Roger Kenworthy » January 13, 2019, 7:29 pm

Pigman wrote:
January 13, 2019, 6:11 pm
Roger Kenworthy wrote:
January 12, 2019, 10:21 pm
edwahu wrote:
January 12, 2019, 7:16 pm
Roger Kenworthy wrote:
January 12, 2019, 7:11 pm
I'd much prefer Williams and Wighton. Sezer doesn't have the kicking skill for this to function well IMO.
He can tackle though.
Will be happy to be proven wrong but the kicking looks exceptionally weak with this combo. If Hodgson does more that would help although his kicking game has been a bit down the past couple seasons also.
I’ve seen nothing to suggest Williams is any better at kicking
He’s been largely trash as well
It really comes down to the fact I rate Sezer the 32nd best half in the comp every weekend he plays. I definitely don't rate Williams highly, but Sezer has been atrocious for two years for mine. Sezer is a much better defender, I'll give him that.

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Re: Jack Wighton set for "shock" switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by zim » January 13, 2019, 7:36 pm

-PJ- wrote:
January 13, 2019, 6:14 pm
I must admit that everytime I see Jack render Sower unconscious I giggle a bit...
I can't pick between the Trbojevic or Perrett hits.
To give a speedster a start to then run him down and then throw a guy that size over the side line.
Perrett has the better commentary, the massive impact and Croker wowing and clapping in appreciation.

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Re: Jack Wighton set for shock switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by Pigman » January 13, 2019, 8:38 pm

Roger Kenworthy wrote:
January 13, 2019, 7:29 pm
Pigman wrote:
January 13, 2019, 6:11 pm
Roger Kenworthy wrote:
January 12, 2019, 10:21 pm
edwahu wrote:
January 12, 2019, 7:16 pm
Roger Kenworthy wrote:
January 12, 2019, 7:11 pm
I'd much prefer Williams and Wighton. Sezer doesn't have the kicking skill for this to function well IMO.
He can tackle though.
Will be happy to be proven wrong but the kicking looks exceptionally weak with this combo. If Hodgson does more that would help although his kicking game has been a bit down the past couple seasons also.
I’ve seen nothing to suggest Williams is any better at kicking
He’s been largely trash as well
It really comes down to the fact I rate Sezer the 32nd best half in the comp every weekend he plays. I definitely don't rate Williams highly, but Sezer has been atrocious for two years for mine. Sezer is a much better defender, I'll give him that.
He played every game along side either Williams or Austin
By default the lowest he could get at that point is 31st
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Re: Jack Wighton set for "shock" switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by Johno » January 13, 2019, 8:57 pm

LimeGreenMachine wrote:
January 13, 2019, 9:00 am


Clip on Wighton , last try around 3min shows a deft kick for a try.

The rest of the tries show why he should be fullback , Im so torn now .
Some seriously good highlights there.

Those front on tackles, its like he doesn't move back 1 cm, given the attacking players motion you would think he would move back...nope!

I thought Soward was dead

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Post by kona_dream » January 13, 2019, 9:08 pm

History has shown to win a comp you need to let in on average less than 17 points a game throughout the season. I feel with Wighton there it gives us the best shot at that.

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Jack Wighton set for "shock" switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by Dusty » January 14, 2019, 6:11 am

I’m really torn by this...

As our squad stands at the moment with Wighton at 6 we have Abbey at 1.

1. Abbey
6. Wighton
7. Sezer
9. Hodgson

Whilst I think Abbey is a solid back up, I don’t think he is a big enough attacking threat (compared to what Wighton can offer).

The other option (as our squad stands is obviously Williams in the halves, 6/7 with Wighton at 1.

1. Wighton
6. Williams
7. Sezer
9. Hodgson

The reason I feel undecided about the two is more about what we lose at fullback from Jack more than anything. Defence in the front line on the edge should improve but I feel our attack will suffer a bit. Yes, I know attack isn’t an issue and defence has been. Perhaps it’s worth a shot.

A fullback signing would change this is if it meant pushing Abbey back to a back up 1.
D.Edwards, A. Johnston, M. Dufty....

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Post by RTW » January 14, 2019, 6:23 am

We know that Wighton is undoubtably a better defender then Sezer or Williams and shouldn’t get run over the top of. But defending 3 in is a lot more then tackle technique. Good teams put a lot of pressure on these players to make the correct decisions.

Austin’s technique wasn’t that bad but his decision making was terrible. Hence he was a poor defender. We really don’t know if Woghton will consistently make good decisions. Wighton is untested in this regard however we have seen with his defensive positioning at fullback has taken a long time to get right and is still not great.


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Re: Jack Wighton set for "shock" switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by julian87 » January 14, 2019, 6:28 am

If we are using Abbey at fullback in round 1 there’s no hope.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Post by -PJ- » January 14, 2019, 6:30 am

I agree.

There has to be a fullback arriving..there just has to be.
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Post by LimeGreenMachine » January 14, 2019, 6:43 am

-PJ- wrote:
January 14, 2019, 6:30 am
I agree.

There has to be a fullback arriving..there just has to be.
Lets hope so.

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Post by -PJ- » January 14, 2019, 7:01 am

If Jack starts the year wearing #6 it tells us all Sticks not happy with the Sezer/Williams combo.
So..
Surely he understands he needs a fullback to replace Jack. And he understands he has $$$ put aside from Rapanas injury to purchase this fullback.

We've had speculation about AJohnson, MDufty and now DEdwards..

We will be getting someone to the club..who ? when ?
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Post by zim » January 14, 2019, 9:50 am

RTW wrote:
January 14, 2019, 6:23 am
We know that Wighton is undoubtably a better defender then Sezer or Williams and shouldn’t get run over the top of. But defending 3 in is a lot more then tackle technique. Good teams put a lot of pressure on these players to make the correct decisions.

Austin’s technique wasn’t that bad but his decision making was terrible. Hence he was a poor defender. We really don’t know if Woghton will consistently make good decisions. Wighton is untested in this regard however we have seen with his defensive positioning at fullback has taken a long time to get right and is still not great.
On the plus side he'll get to focus more on himself when he doesn't have to worry about organizing others in defense and running from one side of the field to the other each play.

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Post by RTW » January 14, 2019, 11:03 am

True, hadn’t thought of that.


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Post by The Green Hornet » January 15, 2019, 3:55 pm

How about Abbey to wing and Oldfield to FB

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Post by greeneyed » January 15, 2019, 3:58 pm

Doesn't matter where you play them, they no doubt put in a lot of effort, but they're really depth players. If we're expecting either to play a full season at fullback, we're in trouble.
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Post by edwahu » January 15, 2019, 4:00 pm

Oldfield can only run in a straight line, I don't think he could play fullback.

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Post by Seiffert82 » January 15, 2019, 4:51 pm

LimeGreenMachine wrote:
January 13, 2019, 9:00 am


Clip on Wighton , last try around 3min shows a deft kick for a try.

The rest of the tries show why he should be fullback , Im so torn now .
That's because he's a very good fullback. Many people just want him out because of his off field stuff, his handling issues 2-3 odd years ago, or the fact they want Williams out of the halves at any cost.

There is no way he should move from that position unless we can somehow afford to upgrade with a decent signing.

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Post by Pigman » January 18, 2019, 6:43 pm

Also his defensive positioning has never improved to a level where i would feel confident.
He's a pretty decent attacking fullback, and he can hit like a freight train but in terms of his positioning, he's not good and it's a huge reason why we concede so many line drop outs and tries from kicks
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Post by LP Raider » January 18, 2019, 8:53 pm

greeneyed wrote:
January 15, 2019, 3:58 pm
Doesn't matter where you play them, they no doubt put in a lot of effort, but they're really depth players. If we're expecting either to play a full season at fullback, we're in trouble.
You can go back in time and watch teams win premierships with average players.

We all sit there during GF week and watch re-runs and say how did they win with that team.

We have a stacked team, to say one position is going to cost us is a cop out and an excuse.

It's up to the coaching staff to get it right, Abbey is no mug.

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Post by greeneyed » January 18, 2019, 8:59 pm

LP Raider wrote:
January 18, 2019, 8:53 pm
greeneyed wrote:
January 15, 2019, 3:58 pm
Doesn't matter where you play them, they no doubt put in a lot of effort, but they're really depth players. If we're expecting either to play a full season at fullback, we're in trouble.
You can go back in time and watch teams win premierships with average players.

We all sit there during GF week and watch re-runs and say how did they win with that team.

We have a stacked team, to say one position is going to cost us is a cop out and an excuse.

It's up to the coaching staff to get it right, Abbey is no mug.
OK... gutsy call from LP Raider!
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Post by Seiffert82 » January 19, 2019, 2:16 am

Pigman wrote:
January 18, 2019, 6:43 pm
Also his defensive positioning has never improved to a level where i would feel confident.
He's a pretty decent attacking fullback, and he can hit like a freight train but in terms of his positioning, he's not good and it's a huge reason why we concede so many line drop outs and tries from kicks
Yeah, that's probably the one aspect of his game at fullback which is still not on point. His hands have improved, but on occasion he is caught out of position. Doesn't help that our defensive line is so often shot to pieces that he has to play in the line or make the tackle, but it's still an area for improvement.

I just don't think any other option in our squad is even remotely up to his standard though. I get that people are pissed off with him, but he is a seriously good footballer when it all comes together.

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Post by LP Raider » January 19, 2019, 1:13 pm

greeneyed wrote:
January 18, 2019, 8:59 pm
LP Raider wrote:
January 18, 2019, 8:53 pm
greeneyed wrote:
January 15, 2019, 3:58 pm
Doesn't matter where you play them, they no doubt put in a lot of effort, but they're really depth players. If we're expecting either to play a full season at fullback, we're in trouble.
You can go back in time and watch teams win premierships with average players.

We all sit there during GF week and watch re-runs and say how did they win with that team.

We have a stacked team, to say one position is going to cost us is a cop out and an excuse.

It's up to the coaching staff to get it right, Abbey is no mug.
OK... gutsy call from LP Raider!
Inspiration for a thread GE.

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Post by greeneyed » January 19, 2019, 1:20 pm

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Post by LP Raider » January 19, 2019, 1:24 pm

greeneyed wrote:
January 19, 2019, 1:20 pm
Indeed!
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Re: Jack Wighton set for "shock" switch in Raiders shake-up

Post by RedRaider » January 19, 2019, 2:15 pm

I don't want Abbey as the last line of defence. He wasn't up to it last year and even after the toughest preseason ever I would still prefer Jack at the back.

Sam & Sezer can do the job imo. The problem is if one is injured. It may be then that some shuffling happens for a short period of time with Hodgo in the halves. I just don't think Abbey has shown he's a FGer as yet.

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