I agree TR, Williams was more consistent then Wighton through out the gameT_R wrote:Take one off Wighton and give it to Williams and you're there, I think.
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Good on ya Cranky. We didn't have a horse, but remember walking through bush to get to Primary School at Milperra and drinking the one third pint bottles of milk. Different times. Next thing they'll be banning bungers and bonfires on Empire night.
Just out of interest, what is your definition of 'importance' here?
I can certainly see the argument for that dubby, but the ratings I'm giving aim to reflect overall contribution to the game. I grew up with the RLW rating system, and my approach is consistent with that tradition. The other way to interpret it, is that a player who plays a quarter of the match, is getting a pretty good score with a 4.
That’s all correct GE, but he is playing in the halves so he should be analyzed on try assists, kicks in play, repeat sets etc. Post contact meters and that are more for the forwards.greeneyed wrote:With Jack Wighton produced five errors and gave away three penalties. One penalty was probably not justified, but he was lucky to get away with not being penalised in another incident, which didn't reflect well on the club in my view. I'm surprised the club highlighted it today as a memorable defensive moment from the match - it was a fantastic tackle, but what happened afterwards, giving a player with a broken nose a facial, was poor.
So he makes quite a few errors, but he also produces a lot of other positive play. He's a strong runner, made eight runs for 74 metres, 23 post contact metres, made three tackle breaks, made 28 tackles, most of them hard and tough, scored a try, made eight kicks for 226 metres and forced a line drop out. So maybe it's a point too much... but he produces a lot of pluses that people sometimes forget.
Just watched the first 50 on replay and Williams kicking game is on point. Would be rapped to high heaven if it was Cronk or Pearce delivering it & it is that good.
Quality read, and some nostalgic viewing. Thanks!greeneyed wrote:Through green eyes: The top eight
The Canberra Raiders don't have the best of records against Brisbane Broncos. Back in the 1990s, the clubs were two of rugby league's "glamour" teams. Brisbane V Canberra was the Grand Final everyone wanted to see, but it just never happened. Even back in the "good old days", Brisbane always seemed to somehow come up with the win. In the years pre-dating the NRL, Canberra won just seven of 19 matches between the clubs. Since the formation of the NRL it hasn't got any better. The Raiders have won just 12 of 33 clashes. Overall, that's just a 37 per cent win rate.
But what of the great victories over the old nemesis? This week, I give you a different version of the top eight. The top eight victories over the Brisbane Broncos!
Number 8 - Raiders knock Broncos out of the finals
Round 26 2010. The final round of the regular season. The Raiders visited Lang Park for a meeting with the Brisbane Broncos. The Broncos had to win by 15 points or more - or they would miss the finals for the first time since 1991. The Raiders, having climbed into eighth on the ladder, needed to win to keep the momentum into the finals. It was semi final football a week early in front of 40,000. There were Raiders fans everywhere, and were packed solid in the supporters bay in the corner.
The Raiders were first to score, with Terry Campese putting in a perfect bomb to the corner in the 18th minute, allowing winger Daniel Vidot to knock the ball back in the in goal and then pounce on it for the try. Just a few minutes later, Campese produced another kick to the same corner - with a try to Josh Dugan the result. The Raiders led 12-0, but the Broncos fought back through an individual try to hooker Andrew McCullough. The teams went to the break with a 12-4 advantage for the Green Machine.
The Raiders seemed destined for a win when Daniel Vidot scored his second try in the 59th minute - pushing the Raiders to an 18-4 lead. But the Broncos came back again in the final stages, scoring two tries in the space of four minutes. However, the Raiders desperately scrambled in defence as the clock ticked down, hanging on for a very sweet 18-16 win.
It was the Raiders eighth victory in the past nine matches, while the Broncos had lost four in a row, crashing out of the finals.
Terry Campese twice knocked down passes on the final play which might have produced match-winning tries for the Broncos.
"We always knew they were going to throw the ball around and they were throwing some off-loads without even looking," said Campese. "[But] we're a much better team than what we showed at the start of the year and I think we're starting to hit our straps. We have to take this confidence into next week and keep the momentum going.
2010 Round 26 - Canberra Raiders 18 (Daniel Vidot 2, Josh Dugan tries; Jarrod Croker 3 goals) defeated Brisbane Broncos 16 (Matt Gillett, Andrew McCullough, Jharal Yow Yeh tries; C. Parker 2 goals) at Lang Park
Number 7 - First finals match in Brisbane
Quarter Final 1995. In 1995, the Raiders faced the Broncos at Lang Park in the first final ever to be played outside of Sydney. It was a match that rightly should have been played in Canberra - or at least at a neutral venue - because the Raiders had qualified second on 40 competition points, and the Broncos third, on 34. But a decision had been taken much earlier to award a finals game to Lang Park. The match turned into a classic, with the Raiders dashing the hopes of a 40,000 crowd. The Raiders led 7-6 at half time, and took control through a 50 metre try to Brad Clyde shortly after the break. A Stuart field goal 20 minutes into the second half gave the Green Machine a six point lead that the Raiders would not surrender. Though coach Tim Sheens was disappointed in the second half, there was no doubt about the big game finals atmosphere.
1995 Quarter Final 2 - Canberra Raiders 14 (Brad Clyde, Steve Walters tries; Furner 2 goals; Stuart 2 field goals) defeated Brisbane Broncos 8 at Lang Park
Number 6 - What might have been
Round 19 1993. In 1993, we saw a match of grand final intensity when the Broncos travelled to Bruce Stadium. That was the year that might have been. But for a cruel injury to Ricky Stuart on the eve of the finals, the Green Machine would have made a huge run at the premiership. A then record crowd of 24,801 crammed into Bruce Stadium, and a furious first half produced a 4-4 scoreline. A 70 metre intercept try from Mal Meninga was the turning point shortly after half time, producing rapture from the crowd. Ricky Stuart then controlled the match with his line kicks. The 20-4 win was secured against the eventual premiers with a Jason Croker try, 10 minutes from the final hooter.
1993 Round 19 - Canberra Raiders 20 (Mal Meninga, Laurie Daley, Jason Croker, Paul Osborne tries; David Furner 2 goals) defeated Brisbane Broncos 4 at Bruce Stadium
Number 5 - North versus south
Round 11 1988. The Brisbane Broncos entered the NSWRL competition in 1988 and this was the first time that the Canberra Raiders - the southern most club - had travelled so far north. The Brisbane team was chock full of State of Origin players - and Queensland had won a State of Origin match just five days before.
Brisbane were coached by the Raiders co-coach from 1987, Wayne Bennett, who had taken Canberra to the 1987 Grand Final. But Queensland representatives, Gary Belcher, Peter Jackson and Sam Backo starred in the Raiders' demolition of the Broncos. Belcher scored two tries and had a personal points tally of 20. Young half Ricky Stuart made his debut for the Raiders off the bench in front of a Lang Park crowd of 15,909.
1988 Round 11 - Canberra Raiders 36 (Gary Belcher 2, Craig Bellamy, Laurie Daley, Peter Jackson, John Ferguson tries; Gary Belcher 6 goals) defeated Brisbane Broncos 6 at Lang Park
Number 4 - They came but we conquered!
Round 12 1989. The Broncos made their first visit to Seiffert Oval in June 1989. Both teams were in the top four - the Broncos running second on the ladder, the Raiders in fourth. Canberra had produced a seven game winning streak between Rounds 3 and 9, but had faltered in the following two rounds, with losses to Newcastle and Penrith.
The fans' expectations of the clash were still high, with both teams littered with Origin stars. The rivalry between the clubs was also fueled by the defection of coach Wayne Bennett, along with Sam Backo and Peter Jackson, from the Raiders to the Broncos. As the match loomed, Bennett was openly seeking to poach half Kevin Walters from Canberra.
On the Wednesday night prior to the match, Queensland had wrapped up the State of Origin series. But the tough clash left new Raiders captain Mal Meninga with a badly swollen eye and cheek and a fractured sinus wall - after being punched in the face by Blues forward Peter Kelly. The Raiders toyed with playing him on the wing in the Broncos match, but he was unable to take the field. Laurie Daley also damaged ligaments in his right ankle, putting him in serious doubt - but after anti inflamatories and plenty of ice, he was cleared to play at the final training session. The Broncos were also injury affected, with Allan Langer breaking his left ankle in Origin II - and with Gary French brought in at half.
The Raiders would move to a new home at Bruce in 1990, so the Broncos' first visit to Seiffert would also be their last. A record crowd of 18,272 turned out on a cold Sunday afternoon. The thrilling game fully lived up to expectations. The Raiders' pack were intent on smashing the big name Broncos forwards into submission. Props Glenn Lazarus and Brent Todd led the way up front - along with Gary Coyne and Brad Clyde, who were both backing up from Origin. Clyde, just 19 years of age, scored two tries, including a solo effort from near half way. He shifted to centre in the second half when Laurie Daley left the field, and didn't miss a beat.
Hooker Steve Walters, overlooked for Origin, was outstanding, finishing on top of his brother Kerrod, who had been given the Queensland No. 9 jersey. Halves Ricky Stuart and Chris O'Sullivan outplayed the Broncos' pair, with O'Sullivan keeping Wally Lewis quiet, before "The King" left the field in the second half.
In the end, it was a comprehensive 27-6 victory, a portent for what was to come that season. The headline in The Canberra Times the next day screamed: "They came but we conquered".
1989 Round 12 - Canberra Raiders 27 (Brad Clyde 2, Gary Belcher, Craig Dimond, John Ferguson tries; Gary Belcher 2, Ricky Stuart goals; Ricky Stuart field goal) defeated Brisbane Broncos 6 (Terry Matterson try; Terry Matterson goal) at Seiffert Oval
Number 3 - Raiders dispatch Broncos on their way to the premiership
1990 Preliminary Final. In 1990, the Raiders finished first on the ladder, on the same number of competition points as the Brisbane Broncos. But it was the Penrith Panthers that qualified first for the Grand Final, when they defeated Canberra in a semi final. It pitched the Raiders into a battle with Brisbane in the season's penultimate match.
Canberra had suffered a narrow and controversial loss two point loss to the Broncos at Lang Park earlier in the year. But the Raiders smashed Brisbane in this match, 32-4, with Mal Meniga taking home a personal points tally of 18. Both Meninga and Martin produced try scoring doubles. The Raiders were just one win away from back to back premierships.
1990 Preliminary Final - Canberra Raiders 32 (Paul Martin 2, Mal Meninga 2, Phil Carey tries; Mal Meninga 5, Gary Belcher goals) defeated Brisbane Broncos 4 at the Sydney Football Stadium
Number 2 - "It is a miracle!"
Round 8 1995. It was a Friday night at Bruce and almost 24,000 turned up to see a heavy weight clash, one that was worthy of a Grand Final. Both were undefeated in the first seven rounds. It turned into a 26-0 thrashing for the team in green. The Stuart-Langer clash was an expected highlight, and Stuart came out well on top. Clyde and Furner led the dominant forwards, and Furner ended by scoring two tries.
Brett Mullins produced the most memorable try, certainly one of the top five tries in Raiders' history. It was the 19th minute and Mullins seemed covered by the defence near half way. The classic commentary is hard to forget: "Kick and chase by Mullins. Kick and chase again by Mullins! This will be a miracle! Oh, it is a miracle! Oh my goodness, you won't see anything else like that again this year. And maybe never!"
It was Mullins’ 50th try for the club.
The Raiders followed with more pain for the Broncos in the 36th, 43rd and 55th minutes. The Broncos were held scoreless for the first time since 1991. The Raiders extended their unbeaten run at home to 25 matches.
1995 Round 8 - Canberra Raiders 26 (David Furner 2, Brett Mullins, Jason Croker, Ken Nagas tries; David Furner 3 goals) defeated Brisbane Broncos 0 at Bruce Stadium
Number 1 - Broncos blitzed!
Round 21 2009. The Green Machine lined up against a Brisbane Broncos team that included eight internationals and five Origin representatives at Canberra Stadium. Yet at full time, Canberra had inflicted the biggest ever defeat on the Broncos in Brisbane's history. 56-0. It was a stunning win for the Raiders, with a young team running circles around the likes of Darren Lockyer. Phil Graham scored four tries and Joel Monaghan two. There were 10 tries in all. Jarrod Croker was man of the match, while halves Terry Campese and Josh McCrone were instrumental. It is still the equal fourth biggest victory in Raiders' history.
The defeat for the Broncos came in the wake of Karmichael Hunt’s ill fated defection to the AFL’s Gold Coast team and it left the tenure of Brisbane coach Ivan Henjak hanging by a thread.
“They don't get much darker than tonight. It was very embarrassing and all we can do is apologise to our fans, our sponsors and our past players – that was just unacceptable,” Henjak - a former Raider - said after the game.
Four try hero for the Raiders, Phil Graham, however, was beaming.
“It was just one of those games where everything worked for us. I don’t know what it was, but all the boys were just on fire tonight. It was just one of those games where everything worked for us and we can just look forward to next week now,” he said.
Round 21 2009 - Canberra Raiders 56 (Phil Graham 4, Joel Monaghan 2, Jarrod Croker, Josh Dugan, Josh McCrone, Daniel Vidot tries; Terry Campese 8 goals) defeated Brisbane Broncos 0 at Canberra Stadium
The Raiders keep passing their "tests" most every week. Now there's another one. The pressure never lets up in the toughest rugby competition in the world. I use the word rugby by itself deliberately - John Bateman or Ryan Sutton English style. They call rugby league and rugby union, "rugby" and that is just as it should be. Rugby union in Australia likes to reserve the term for their exclusive use... but I'm happy to go with our English imports on this one. Because when I say it is the toughest rugby competition in the world, I mean both league and union.
The Broncos are under serious pressure. Anthony Seibold was poached from the Rabbitohs by the Broncos - induced to break his existing contract in the process. Raiders fans will remember that's not the first time the Broncos have done that. Brisbane tossed their multi-premiership winning coach, Wayne Bennett over board along the way. But now Bennett is cruising at the Rabbitohs, while Brisbane has just one win to their name in the opening five weeks. If they lose and produce a 1 and 5 start to the season, it'll be just the second time that's happened in the Broncos' history. Seibold, a former Raider, will be sweating bullets on Sunday.
Coach Ricky Stuart knows that when any rugby league team have their backs to the wall, that is when they are at their most dangerous. He's been warning his team all week that the Broncos will come ready to play, ready to prove a point. I'm worried myself. In recent years, when the Raiders have been warm favourites, that's when things come unstuck. However, this is yet another opportunity for this team to prove they are not the Raiders of old.
Raiders legend Laurie Daley is tipping a Broncos win in this one... so it seems he's not quite yet a believer. But when you look at the form lines, the statistics - everything points to a Raiders victory. I am tipping the Raiders by six at home.
Don't forget it's again a triple header at Canberra Stadium on Easter Sunday, so make sure you get to the ground early. The Raiders Jersey Flegg team faces the New Zealand Warriors at 11:45 am before Mounties take on the Warriors in NSW Cup at 1:40 pm. Both teams are playing good footy, so it is definitely worth seeing how the younger players are progressing.
There is no Canberra Raiders Cup for the Easter weekend. But the Raiders SG Ball team is in action later this afternoon at Kogarah Jubilee Stadium at 4:00pm. If you're in Sydney, why not get along to cheer them along in their Week 2 finals match against the Central Coast Roosters?
Every week I rate the Raiders players on a scale of 0-10... and here are the total points and average points per match after the win over the Eels. Let us know if you agree with the ratings... or not!
John Bateman 38
Josh Papalii 37
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad 36
Josh Hodgson 36
Sia Soliola 35
Jarrod Croker 34
Joey Leilua 34
Jack Wighton 33
Elliott Whitehead 32
Nick Cotric 31
Ryan Sutton 31
Siliva Havili 29
Dunamis Lui 26
Jordan Rapana 26
Corey Horsburgh 23
Sam Williams 18
Joe Tapine 13
Aidan Sezer 12
Hudson Young 11
Bailey Simonsson 6
Average points per match
John Bateman 7.6
Josh Papalii 7.4
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad 7.2
Josh Hodgson 7.2
Sia Soliola 7.0
Jarrod Croker 6.8
Joey Leilua 6.8
Jack Wighton 6.6
Jordan Rapana 6.5
Elliott Whitehead 6.4
Nick Cotric 6.2
Ryan Sutton 6.2
Aidan Sezer 6.0
Bailey Simonsson 6.0
Sam Williams 6.0
Siliva Havili 5.8
Corey Horsburgh 5.8
Dunamis Lui 5.2
Joe Tapine 4.3
Hudson Young 3.7
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