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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by zim » April 9, 2019, 9:04 pm

The cows are an interesting case. I think their roster is stuck in the 2016 model.
You need a better back 5 and ours shits all over theirs. We have one of the best back 5s in the comp.
You can accommodate one less than mobile prop and they've chosen to start 2 (Scott and McLean).
You also can't run a single kicker anymore unless you're the roosters.
Clifford can kick but they don't use him enough. Granny is not an option. They should have TMM as an option out back.

On paper they should be a great side but their 17 is unbalanced and their overall plan is just poor.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by gergreg » April 9, 2019, 9:18 pm

zim wrote:The cows are an interesting case. I think their roster is stuck in the 2016 model.
You need a better back 5 and ours **** all over theirs. We have one of the best back 5s in the comp.
You can accommodate one less than mobile prop and they've chosen to start 2 (Scott and McLean).
You also can't run a single kicker anymore unless you're the roosters.
Clifford can kick but they don't use him enough. Granny is not an option. They should have TMM as an option out back.

On paper they should be a great side but their 17 is unbalanced and their overall plan is just poor.
Agreed. I think their biggest issue over the past few years is the lack of speed out wide. If you put their back 5 in a Matt's matchup type sprint with opposite numbers from all NRL sides - would they win a skin/running race ... just one... against anyone?

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by PigRickman » April 9, 2019, 9:25 pm

Their team is Morgan and Lolo. Some cameo's from Hess and occasionally the match up works for Cooper.
That's really about it.

The back 5 is absolutely horrendous. Matt Scott is on his last legs and McGuire used to be pretty good but looks well off his best now.
They do have John Asiata, and a little birdy told me last week that Justin Hodges feels like he compliments Michael Morgan well and asks questions of the defence, as well as other empty platitudes.

They need a major infusion of talent. Amazing that this team allowed Ponga to walk out the door.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by RedRaider » April 9, 2019, 9:43 pm

edwahu wrote:
April 9, 2019, 1:49 pm
They average early 60's (Lolo) to early 70's (Burgess) with the other two mid 60's. TPJ average is around 60 but plays 70+ without issue.

You can't look at minutes as a factor without considering they are different positions with different workloads. There are virtually no 80 minute middles because the intensity is much higher than for a half. So I don't see how it's a factor unless it's a like for like comparison with other middles (e.g 650k for Boyd vs a normal middle in that price range)
I think the clubs that come back into contention year after year are not spending such huge money on Props. Storm, Chooks get their D in order and stay with some core middles who don't cost $1m. They spend it on Spine players. Smart.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by gangrenous » April 9, 2019, 9:46 pm

PigRickman wrote: They do have John Asiata, and a little birdy told me last week that Justin Hodges feels like he compliments Michael Morgan well and asks questions of the defence, as well as other empty platitudes.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Wiki Special » April 9, 2019, 10:06 pm

zim wrote:
April 9, 2019, 9:04 pm
The cows are an interesting case. I think their roster is stuck in the 2016 model.
You need a better back 5 and ours **** all over theirs. We have one of the best back 5s in the comp.
You can accommodate one less than mobile prop and they've chosen to start 2 (Scott and McLean).
You also can't run a single kicker anymore unless you're the roosters.
Clifford can kick but they don't use him enough. Granny is not an option. They should have TMM as an option out back.

On paper they should be a great side but their 17 is unbalanced and their overall plan is just poor.
I think the Cowboys main problem was they tried to milk their 2015 Premiership too long rather than replenish their squad. Pathways for young players to come into the team should have been created when you have players like Ponga, Hughes, Kikau, Smith, etc. coming through.

McLean and McGuire are great gets lately though.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by zim » April 9, 2019, 10:10 pm

That's a good point. Seems to be the trend that squads that don't have some turnover then need a cleanout before they come good again.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Beejay » April 9, 2019, 10:27 pm

PigRickman wrote:
April 9, 2019, 9:25 pm
Their team is Morgan and Lolo. Some cameo's from Hess and occasionally the match up works for Cooper.
That's really about it.

The back 5 is absolutely horrendous. Matt Scott is on his last legs and McGuire used to be pretty good but looks well off his best now.
They do have John Asiata, and a little birdy told me last week that Justin Hodges feels like he compliments Michael Morgan well and asks questions of the defence, as well as other empty platitudes.

They need a major infusion of talent. Amazing that this team allowed Ponga to walk out the door.
Ponga, Kikau and Brandon Smith all came out of their Junior system and left 2016 or later.
The what-not-to-do of Squad renewal.

Take out LoLo and Asiata and the entire pack is cashing cheque’s on performances from 2-4 years ago. That includes Hess.
Worst back 5 in the comp.
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Post by Green Blogger » April 9, 2019, 10:44 pm

We also got Horsburgh from their Toyota Cup team.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by The Rickman » April 10, 2019, 1:01 pm

Honestly, the Cowboys look to me like a team that needs a change of coach. Paul Green looks to have lost the playing group last year as a hangover to their 2017 grand final loss, and I don't think he can win it back.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Coastalraider » April 10, 2019, 1:50 pm

The Rickman wrote:
April 10, 2019, 1:01 pm
Honestly, the Cowboys look to me like a team that needs a change of coach. Paul Green looks to have lost the playing group last year as a hangover to their 2017 grand final loss, and I don't think he can win it back.
Bang on.

I said it in an anti-Sticky rant previously - for a team to have continued success, there needs to be a fair amount of regular 'new messaging'. If the same coaching staff keep selling the same story to the same playing group over a long period of time, there will be an inevitability of the results becoming stale. This doesn't necessarily mean there is anything wrong with the coaching philosophy, or the playing group, but the combination has tired. There are 3 ways to achieve this revamp:

-change of head coach - brings in a completely new concept. As a model see a relatively unchanged Souths squad improving out of sight with the change from Maguire to Seibold last year. This means a major squad overhaul may not be needed.

-Constant evolution of support staff - See Melbourne Storm for most of the last decade with their regular changes in assistant coaches. This brings fresh concepts around components of training and playing style - be it a new defensive plan, halves coach, forwards coach etc, reinvigorating the squad. This also means that a high turnover of players is not usually required (admittedly they have been forced into a different approach in the last 3 years with retirement of Slater and transfer of Cronk)

-Squad change - Changing the key players who are hearing the message will refresh existing squad members. See teams such as the Roosters - They dont have a big need to change the coach or messaging, as by moving on players who are stale in that environment such as Pearce and Gordon, they can refresh the motivation and environment by sliding in new senior players such as Cronk and Tedesco. Also see the short term results, long term fatigue of any squad that James Maloney has been to!

We have arguably shunned the most obvious answer in option A for this season by applying a combination of B+C, by bringing in quality support staff such as McFadden and Ennis, and a refresh of senior player such as Bateman, we have a great combination of renewed motivational factors. Most people on here (including myself) where very underwhelmed by our player recruitment in the offseason, but the combination of the 2 options mentioned above has seen the balance of the squad actually improve over the offseason far beyond what I was expecting.

The Cowboys arguably have done none of those 3 options well, and are suffering as a consequence.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by BJ » April 10, 2019, 2:12 pm

Good insight Coastal Raider. I agree.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Wiki Special » April 10, 2019, 4:00 pm

The Rickman wrote:
April 10, 2019, 1:01 pm
Honestly, the Cowboys look to me like a team that needs a change of coach. Paul Green looks to have lost the playing group last year as a hangover to their 2017 grand final loss, and I don't think he can win it back.
I agree with this too. I also believe he was a big part of keeping the gang together as opposed to bringing young guys through.

I live in Townsville so get boos when I say this; I think Green and Morgan are both overrated.

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Post by roneel78 » April 10, 2019, 5:50 pm

Wiki Special wrote:
The Rickman wrote:
April 10, 2019, 1:01 pm
Honestly, the Cowboys look to me like a team that needs a change of coach. Paul Green looks to have lost the playing group last year as a hangover to their 2017 grand final loss, and I don't think he can win it back.
I agree with this too. I also believe he was a big part of keeping the gang together as opposed to bringing young guys through.

I live in Townsville so get boos when I say this; I think Green and Morgan are both overrated.
green maybe.....Morgan no way.


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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by RedRaider » April 10, 2019, 9:59 pm

Good post Coastal Raider.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Beejay » April 11, 2019, 9:15 am

On the Matty Johns podcast, James Hooper said BJ is on $800k per year. We signed him when he was the best centre in the game.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by julian87 » April 11, 2019, 9:23 am

I reckon that’s a complete guess from Johns.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by BadnMean » April 11, 2019, 9:27 am

Beejay wrote:
April 11, 2019, 9:15 am
On the Matty Johns podcast, James Hooper said BJ is on $800k per year. We signed him when he was the best centre in the game.
Hmm we signed him when he was talented but overweight & acting like a tool & in danger of stuffing it all up & Newcastle... but did we extend him recently when he WAS playing like the best centre in the game?

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Post by edwahu » April 11, 2019, 9:33 am

We extended him June 2017 when he was playing badly. I doubt he is on 800 unless there was loading.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Beejay » April 11, 2019, 9:56 am

julian87 wrote:
April 11, 2019, 9:23 am
I reckon that’s a complete guess from Johns.
It was James Hooper.

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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Beejay » April 11, 2019, 9:58 am

edwahu wrote:
April 11, 2019, 9:33 am
We extended him June 2017 when he was playing badly. I doubt he is on 800 unless there was loading.

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That deal could have been done in early 2017, and it was finer details that took it out to June to be announced.
You would imagine dollar figures and offers were made following the 2016 season.

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Post by Northern Raider » April 11, 2019, 1:32 pm

Beejay wrote:
April 11, 2019, 9:15 am
On the Matty Johns podcast, James Hooper said BJ is on $800k per year. We signed him when he was the best centre in the game.
Current Dally M centre of the year so arguably still the best in the game.

Not a lot of star centres these days. Not like in the past where guys like Mal, Miles, Cronin, Rogers etc were the superstars of rugby league.
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Re: Raiders player signing speculation 2019

Post by Matt » April 12, 2019, 12:46 pm

Coastalraider wrote:
April 10, 2019, 1:50 pm
The Rickman wrote:
April 10, 2019, 1:01 pm
Honestly, the Cowboys look to me like a team that needs a change of coach. Paul Green looks to have lost the playing group last year as a hangover to their 2017 grand final loss, and I don't think he can win it back.
Bang on.

I said it in an anti-Sticky rant previously - for a team to have continued success, there needs to be a fair amount of regular 'new messaging'. If the same coaching staff keep selling the same story to the same playing group over a long period of time, there will be an inevitability of the results becoming stale. This doesn't necessarily mean there is anything wrong with the coaching philosophy, or the playing group, but the combination has tired. There are 3 ways to achieve this revamp:

-change of head coach - brings in a completely new concept. As a model see a relatively unchanged Souths squad improving out of sight with the change from Maguire to Seibold last year. This means a major squad overhaul may not be needed.

-Constant evolution of support staff - See Melbourne Storm for most of the last decade with their regular changes in assistant coaches. This brings fresh concepts around components of training and playing style - be it a new defensive plan, halves coach, forwards coach etc, reinvigorating the squad. This also means that a high turnover of players is not usually required (admittedly they have been forced into a different approach in the last 3 years with retirement of Slater and transfer of Cronk)

-Squad change - Changing the key players who are hearing the message will refresh existing squad members. See teams such as the Roosters - They dont have a big need to change the coach or messaging, as by moving on players who are stale in that environment such as Pearce and Gordon, they can refresh the motivation and environment by sliding in new senior players such as Cronk and Tedesco. Also see the short term results, long term fatigue of any squad that James Maloney has been to!

We have arguably shunned the most obvious answer in option A for this season by applying a combination of B+C, by bringing in quality support staff such as McFadden and Ennis, and a refresh of senior player such as Bateman, we have a great combination of renewed motivational factors. Most people on here (including myself) where very underwhelmed by our player recruitment in the offseason, but the combination of the 2 options mentioned above has seen the balance of the squad actually improve over the offseason far beyond what I was expecting.

The Cowboys arguably have done none of those 3 options well, and are suffering as a consequence.
Great post, and I do remember you writing something similar previously.

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