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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by FROG » August 11, 2018, 4:39 am

If nothing else, it speaks volumes of the opinion that Wigan have of him. Let's hope he is one of the very few that is able to make the transition.

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by Seiffert82 » August 11, 2018, 8:27 am

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Look, as an Englishman, I'm not blind to the relative strengths of the NRL and ESL (the gap between the top clubs is actually quite small - the gap between the middle and lower clubs is huge), but irrespective of that, Wigan is one of the true giants of the game - and the fans' expectations are massive.

Their fans are extremely disgruntled at the moment and managing the loss of the clubs best player is a big deal - hence this agreement (read up on Iysten Harris if you want the legal precedent and why Wigan has done this).

For what it's worth, I'd expect him to return because of his young daughter, as opposed to a contract, but I wouldn't pay much attention to the deal.

What Canberra has got is just what's needed - mobile and ferocious defence through the middle, decent go forward with a nice offload and, despite his size, a bit of an enforcer. He is as hard as nails.

I've watched him, Whitehead and all the Burgess boys come through at Bradford and he and Sam are the best two we've had - certainly in the last 20 years.

Oh, and don't touch Williams. He's decent enough, but not great and not what Canberra needs.
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FWIW I've been turned off our club big time this season. I'm really looking forward to having one or two new players next year who will absolutely rip into the opposition and give it all they have got. I hope Bateman brings this attitude to our team, because it is sadly lacking this season.

Over the years I've loved watching the likes of Josh Miller and Alan Tongue rip in and give it everything. That's why I come to watch the football. I don't care so much if we lose to a better team. What I do care about is losing as a result of poor attitude, ill discipline or no effort. That's why this year has sucked so badly.

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by RedRaider » August 11, 2018, 9:32 pm

Just on Wigan as a Club. They have won 2 of the past 5 years of Super League and also been runners up twice. He is considered a stand out player for them. I look forward to what he can bring to the Raiders over the next 3 years. Here's hoping some of his skill and attitude can help grow and develop the youngsters coming through at the Raiders. I am far more concerned about turning around our fortunes in 2019 than worrying about season 2022. Let's get the current train wreck back on track and be thankful we have signed a current International wanting to wear our jersey.

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by Wiki Special » August 12, 2018, 9:42 am

Watching highlights and reading on John Bateman he appears to have a lot of Gareth Ellis about him. Let's hope we get the same impact Ellis gave the Tigers from Bateman at the Raiders.

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by bonehead » August 12, 2018, 6:22 pm

watching this wigan v Castleford match, Bateman looks good, Sutton looks short of a run after 8 weeks out. Socks down agro fronty not afraid of being 3rd man into a tackle - that ticks a few of my boxes.

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Post by edwahu » August 12, 2018, 6:58 pm

I'm looking forward to watching him play for us. I've really come around to this signing.

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by bonehead » August 12, 2018, 7:57 pm

what about Nathan Massey!! when did he have that growth spurt

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by -GD- » August 14, 2018, 12:33 pm

Canberra Raiders English star John Bateman reportedly comes at high price
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Canberra last week confirmed what I reported months ago - that it had signed Wigan and England star John Bateman.

But what hasn’t been made public is that the Raiders paid a sizeable transfer fee for the Test forward.

Wigan hasn’t revealed the figure either but my well-placed source there says it is around $250,000.

While that is a big figure for a player who only had one year left on his deal, Canberra realised several other clubs - including Cronulla - would be rivalling them for his signature if they waited they 12 months for it to run out.

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Post by Dusty » August 14, 2018, 12:42 pm

Is that included in the cap?


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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by bonehead » August 14, 2018, 12:48 pm

Dusty wrote:Is that included in the cap?


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supposedly wasn't for Burgess or seggy, admitted Burgess was from outside the sport.

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by -TW- » August 14, 2018, 12:55 pm

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by The Green Arrow » August 14, 2018, 12:56 pm

bonehead wrote:
August 12, 2018, 6:22 pm
watching this wigan v Castleford match, Bateman looks good, Sutton looks short of a run after 8 weeks out. Socks down agro fronty not afraid of being 3rd man into a tackle - that ticks a few of my boxes.

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Yeah watched this game as well and echo these sentiments.

Bateman has really high motor and is clearly a key player in their team. Looks to have a nice set of skills too, put in a grubber and also had an offload. Strong for his size. I checked out the ESL season stats after the game and he's 1st in the league for offloads and 8th for tackle busts, pretty handy.

Sutton looks like a bit more of a project but is aggressive and runs hard. Can't judge too much though as it was his first game in a couple of months.
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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by greeneyed » August 16, 2018, 9:46 pm

John Bateman receives help in choosing Canberra Raiders for NRL move – from Mal Meninga

MAL Meninga played a key role in sealing John Bateman's switch to NRL side Canberra on a two-year deal. Sales pitches from Meninga and boss Ricky Stuart helped the 24-year-old, who has the option of a third year Down Under before returning to Wigan, choose them over other clubs.

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by Begbie » August 16, 2018, 10:37 pm

Onya Mal

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by greeneyed » August 24, 2018, 12:30 pm

John Bateman drops bombshell, denying he’s signed a three year contract to return to Wigan Warriors after Canberra Raiders deal

John Bateman has signed a two-year deal with Canberra which has another year option but at the same time, Wigan revealed he had agreed to a three-year contract back with the club for when he returns. Bateman has now explained that he doesn’t know what the future holds for him beyond his deal with the Raiders.

“We had a mutual agreement that if I want to come back to Super League, Wigan would get first choice... but that’s about it – I’ve not signed anything. I probably would want to finish my career here, but there’s nothing concrete agreed that I’ll be coming back in two or three years.”

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by greeneyed » August 24, 2018, 12:31 pm

Very poor behaviour from Wigan right through this... good to hear he wants to make it in the NRL and stay long term if he does.
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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by Pigman » August 24, 2018, 1:57 pm

What a **** **** show this has been :lol:

But yes, very pleased to hear there is no fixed return date and we're not on the hook for another transfer fee if he makes it.
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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by edwahu » August 24, 2018, 2:06 pm

It's all a bit bizzare. Either Batemans manager is lying to him or Wigan are lying to their fans.

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by greeneyed » August 24, 2018, 2:10 pm

I think he'd know if he's signed a contract...
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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by Sid » August 24, 2018, 2:16 pm

greeneyed wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:10 pm
I think he'd know if he's signed a contract...
don't be so sure, plenty of storm players didn't..
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Post by roneel78 » August 24, 2018, 2:17 pm

greeneyed wrote:I think he'd know if he's signed a contract...
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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by greeneyed » August 24, 2018, 2:22 pm

Sid wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:16 pm
greeneyed wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:10 pm
I think he'd know if he's signed a contract...
don't be so sure, plenty of storm players didn't..
If you've read Billy Slater's book, you'll know that the Storm players signed agreements, which involved side letters, but the terms of them were that the benefits covered were within the salary cap and were being supplied to the NRL along with the main contract.

What happened was the Storm management did not comply with either of those things.
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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by RTW » August 24, 2018, 2:38 pm

greeneyed wrote:
Sid wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:16 pm
greeneyed wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:10 pm
I think he'd know if he's signed a contract...
don't be so sure, plenty of storm players didn't..
If you've read Billy Slater's book, you'll know that the Storm players signed agreements, which involved side letters, but the terms of them were that the benefits covered were within the salary cap and were being supplied to the NRL along with the main contract.

What happened was the Storm management did not comply with either of those things.
If it is in a book it must be true!

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Post by hrundi89 » August 24, 2018, 2:40 pm

greeneyed wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:22 pm
Sid wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:16 pm
greeneyed wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:10 pm
I think he'd know if he's signed a contract...
don't be so sure, plenty of storm players didn't..
If you've read Billy Slater's book, you'll know that the Storm players signed agreements, which involved side letters, but the terms of them were that the benefits covered were within the salary cap and were being supplied to the NRL along with the main contract.

What happened was the Storm management did not comply with either of those things.
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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by greeneyed » August 24, 2018, 2:41 pm

Well, it is why the NRL cleared the Storm players of any wrong doing... if people want to continue to dispute the facts... well I can't do much more than point out what the facts are.
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Post by edwahu » August 24, 2018, 2:44 pm

RTW wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:38 pm
greeneyed wrote:
Sid wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:16 pm
greeneyed wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:10 pm
I think he'd know if he's signed a contract...
don't be so sure, plenty of storm players didn't..
If you've read Billy Slater's book, you'll know that the Storm players signed agreements, which involved side letters, but the terms of them were that the benefits covered were within the salary cap and were being supplied to the NRL along with the main contract.

What happened was the Storm management did not comply with either of those things.
If it is in a book it must be true!
It's in the audit

http://www.rugbyleague.com.au/nrl/2011_storm_report.pdf

Quite interesting to read actually. It doesn't exactly exonerate the players totally but what GE says is true.

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by Johno » August 24, 2018, 7:39 pm

edwahu wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:44 pm
RTW wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:38 pm
greeneyed wrote:
Sid wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:16 pm
greeneyed wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:10 pm
I think he'd know if he's signed a contract...
don't be so sure, plenty of storm players didn't..
If you've read Billy Slater's book, you'll know that the Storm players signed agreements, which involved side letters, but the terms of them were that the benefits covered were within the salary cap and were being supplied to the NRL along with the main contract.

What happened was the Storm management did not comply with either of those things.
If it is in a book it must be true!
It's in the audit

http://www.rugbyleague.com.au/nrl/2011_storm_report.pdf

Quite interesting to read actually. It doesn't exactly exonerate the players totally but what GE says is true.
Without knowing the full story it does seem the Storm were harshly treated.

Use the same audit team to have a look at the Roosters

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Post by Bay53 » August 24, 2018, 7:49 pm

greeneyed wrote:
August 24, 2018, 12:31 pm
Very poor behaviour from Wigan right through this... good to hear he wants to make it in the NRL and stay long term if he does.
I think you are being very harsh on Wigan. They are a proud club, they don’t want to be losing players to the antipodes. They want to give their fans a positive that they can get him back and he will come back a better player.

Parramatta did something similar when Hayne went to NFL saying he had signed a “lifetime contract” with Parra.

Who knows where we will all be in 3 years time, let’s worry about his return or otherwise then.

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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by edwahu » August 24, 2018, 8:43 pm

Johno wrote:
August 24, 2018, 7:39 pm
edwahu wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:44 pm
RTW wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:38 pm
greeneyed wrote:
Sid wrote:
August 24, 2018, 2:16 pm


don't be so sure, plenty of storm players didn't..
If you've read Billy Slater's book, you'll know that the Storm players signed agreements, which involved side letters, but the terms of them were that the benefits covered were within the salary cap and were being supplied to the NRL along with the main contract.

What happened was the Storm management did not comply with either of those things.
If it is in a book it must be true!
It's in the audit

http://www.rugbyleague.com.au/nrl/2011_storm_report.pdf

Quite interesting to read actually. It doesn't exactly exonerate the players totally but what GE says is true.
Without knowing the full story it does seem the Storm were harshly treated.

Use the same audit team to have a look at the Roosters
When I read it I thought they were lucky to keep their license.

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Post by Rick » August 24, 2018, 10:48 pm

You can find Billy Slaters Autobiography in the fiction section if anybody wants to check for themselves.


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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by Timbo » August 24, 2018, 11:59 pm

This is just outstanding news, the best news we’ve had all year.

He won’t have one eye on the door and will be digging in for us.
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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by greeneyed » August 25, 2018, 2:37 am

Bay53 wrote:
August 24, 2018, 7:49 pm
greeneyed wrote:
August 24, 2018, 12:31 pm
Very poor behaviour from Wigan right through this... good to hear he wants to make it in the NRL and stay long term if he does.
I think you are being very harsh on Wigan. They are a proud club, they don’t want to be losing players to the antipodes. They want to give their fans a positive that they can get him back and he will come back a better player.

Parramatta did something similar when Hayne went to NFL saying he had signed a “lifetime contract” with Parra.

Who knows where we will all be in 3 years time, let’s worry about his return or otherwise then.
Gives them no excuse to lie. It put both Bateman and the Raiders in a difficult position... because Raiders fans are saying... Why would the Raiders agree to pay a huge transfer fee for a two plus one contract, with the player guaranteed to leave after that. That was the common question. Most said then who knows what will happen in three years time... But as it turned out, Bateman and the Raiders had agreed to no such thing.
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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by Johno » August 25, 2018, 10:32 am

Journalists and the like should be held accountable for the lies they spout to get readers and not caring for the angst they leave behind

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Post by greeneyed » August 25, 2018, 12:22 pm

This came from the Wigan club's own statement.
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Re: John Bateman signs with Canberra Raiders

Post by MrPosh » September 1, 2018, 6:03 am

If anyone's up early, Bateman's putting on a masterclass for Wigan against Saints.

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