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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Azza » August 12, 2018, 4:51 pm

While I'm not optimistic for next year Austin leaving will definitely be a boost. You can just see his poor attitude out there is really infecting the team.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by squidgebub » August 13, 2018, 4:49 pm

Assuming no one is playing out of position and we don't sign anyone else I'm guessing this will be Round 1 2019.

1 Jack Wighton
2 Nick Cotric
3 Jarrod Croker
4 Joseph Leilua
5 Jordan Rapana
6 Aidan Sezer
7 Ata Hingano
8 Ryan Sutton
9 Josh Hodgson
10 Dunamis Lui
11 Joseph Tapine
12 Elliott Whitehead
13 Josh Papalii

14 Siliva Havili
15 Iosia Soliola
16 John Bateman
17 Liam Knight

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Seiffert82 » August 13, 2018, 9:13 pm

Stuart has lost the plot if Hingano starts over Williams.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by LastRaider » August 13, 2018, 9:14 pm

Seiffert82 wrote:Stuart has lost the plot if Hingano starts over Williams.
Sezar and Williams both offer the same though. Hingano does offer a bit of zip


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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by bonehead » August 13, 2018, 9:26 pm

imo only.

j Bateman will be a starter
Sutton isn't a starter yet

6 is our most contentious Jersey.


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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by edwahu » August 13, 2018, 9:26 pm

Ricky spent the whole year training Hingano to be a dummy half, so it makes sense he would pick him at 5/8th.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by greeneyed » August 13, 2018, 9:31 pm

bonehead wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:26 pm
imo only.

j Bateman will be a starter
Sutton isn't a starter yet

6 is our most contentious Jersey.


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It's not contentious. Jack Wighton will be starting No. 6 next year. There is no other real option.
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Schifty » August 13, 2018, 9:32 pm

Nice to see Ricky helping the Eels and Titans for 2019 but giving plenty of minutes to Paulo and Boyd.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by bonehead » August 13, 2018, 9:32 pm

greeneyed wrote:
bonehead wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:26 pm
imo only.

j Bateman will be a starter
Sutton isn't a starter yet

6 is our most contentious Jersey.


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It's not contentious. Jack Wighton will be starting No. 6 next year. There is no other real option.
cotric offers more on the wing than at fullback

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by greeneyed » August 13, 2018, 9:32 pm

edwahu wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:26 pm
Ricky spent the whole year training Hingano to be a dummy half, so it makes sense he would pick him at 5/8th.
If he were playing at first grade standard, perhaps, but he was not close this year.
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by greeneyed » August 13, 2018, 9:35 pm

bonehead wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:32 pm
greeneyed wrote:
bonehead wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:26 pm
imo only.

j Bateman will be a starter
Sutton isn't a starter yet

6 is our most contentious Jersey.


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It's not contentious. Jack Wighton will be starting No. 6 next year. There is no other real option.
cotric offers more on the wing than at fullback

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The trouble is... I don't believe we can depend on a Sezer/Williams halves pairing.
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by -TW- » August 13, 2018, 9:35 pm

Schifty wrote:Nice to see Ricky helping the Eels and Titans for 2019 but giving plenty of minutes to Paulo and Boyd.
If it was me I'd be giving them KFC vouchers, but what would I know

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Schifty » August 13, 2018, 9:39 pm

-TW- wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:35 pm
Schifty wrote:Nice to see Ricky helping the Eels and Titans for 2019 but giving plenty of minutes to Paulo and Boyd.
If it was me I'd be giving them KFC vouchers, but what would I know
I'd be taking advantage of our sponsors and making them have a Nugget eating competition each training session.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Seiffert82 » August 13, 2018, 9:40 pm

Wighton is our best fullback.

John Bateman offers us the mongrel in defence we haven't seen since Nev Costigan or Josh Miller. I hope he starts at lock.

If Cotric moves I hope it's only into the centres to replace numbnuts Leilua.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by julian87 » August 14, 2018, 10:27 am

greeneyed wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:31 pm
bonehead wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:26 pm
imo only.

j Bateman will be a starter
Sutton isn't a starter yet

6 is our most contentious Jersey.


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It's not contentious. Jack Wighton will be starting No. 6 next year. There is no other real option.
I’ll get crucified for this so I’ll just lay down the cross and nails.

Our only positive as an individual in attacking structures this entire season has been Wighton’s play from fullback. He was not far short of sensational all year as a second and third receiver. As soon as he was gone we predictably lost all connection from mid field to the backline. For us to have the highest paid (and best attacking wise) three quarters in the competition with Cotric at fullback would be absolute suicide. (So we know Stuart will do it)

You can keep a mediocre half there, or use Whitehead at 6 who struggled in attack for the most part in an edge. The option (which won’t be considered) I’d consider is Croker to 6 or left half. It’s a more assured body than Williams/Hingano, it gets Cotric to centre and we deadset have not had any footy smarts there for 24 months so we’re not losing anything. It sounds absolutely stupid but if we don’t recruit anyone I’m not convinced it isn’t the worst option. If you have Hodgson, Sezer and Wighton there, Whitehead ball playing at lock I think it could work.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by T_R » August 14, 2018, 10:45 am

greeneyed wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:31 pm
bonehead wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:26 pm
imo only.

j Bateman will be a starter
Sutton isn't a starter yet

6 is our most contentious Jersey.


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It's not contentious. Jack Wighton will be starting No. 6 next year. There is no other real option.
Unless some miracle signing shows up soon, I can't imagine what else Stuart will do.

I don't disagree with it, either. If we could just stem some of the points leakage through the halves, we'd win games.
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by edwahu » August 14, 2018, 10:50 am

If we think Wighton will be 6, Stuart will be looking deeper than us and will likely spend the offseason converting Havilli to play 6 or something.

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Post by Dusty » August 14, 2018, 2:07 pm

I do like the idea of Wighton at 6 purely for his defence. If he does end up there he needs to be a run first pass second player, the 3rd kicking option and not the organiser.

I’m not yet convinced Cotric is the answer at fullback. I believe Jack is much better there. I agree that we get more from Cotric on the wing.

I also agree that Sam Williams isn’t our problem. A bloke on a small wage doing a solid job.

In saying that my team for 2019 would be:

1. Wighton
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Rapana
6. Sezer
7. Williams
8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. J. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Soliola
16. Lui
17. Knight / Murchie

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2019: 1. Wighton 2. Cotric 3. Croker 4 Leilua 5. Rapana 6. Jacks 7. Sezer 8. Sutton 9. Hodgson 10. Papalii 11. Tapine 12. Whitehead 13. J.Bateman ----
14. Havili 15. Murchie 16. Soliola 17. Knight/Guler/Lui

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Schifty » August 14, 2018, 2:29 pm

T_R wrote:
August 14, 2018, 10:45 am
greeneyed wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:31 pm
bonehead wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:26 pm
imo only.

j Bateman will be a starter
Sutton isn't a starter yet

6 is our most contentious Jersey.


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It's not contentious. Jack Wighton will be starting No. 6 next year. There is no other real option.
Unless some miracle signing shows up soon, I can't imagine what else Stuart will do.

I don't disagree with it, either. If we could just stem some of the points leakage through the halves, we'd win games.
The fact is makes sense and there is strong consensus means there is a good chance this won't happen, possibly out of spite as well.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by luke » August 14, 2018, 3:15 pm

Schifty wrote:
August 14, 2018, 2:29 pm
T_R wrote:
August 14, 2018, 10:45 am
greeneyed wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:31 pm
bonehead wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:26 pm
imo only.

j Bateman will be a starter
Sutton isn't a starter yet

6 is our most contentious Jersey.


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It's not contentious. Jack Wighton will be starting No. 6 next year. There is no other real option.
Unless some miracle signing shows up soon, I can't imagine what else Stuart will do.

I don't disagree with it, either. If we could just stem some of the points leakage through the halves, we'd win games.
The fact is makes sense and there is strong consensus means there is a good chance this won't happen, possibly out of spite as well.
I'll be shocked if our halves aren't Sezer and Williams

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by bonehead » August 14, 2018, 4:09 pm

Dusty wrote:I do like the idea of Wighton at 6 purely for his defence. If he does end up there he needs to be a run first pass second player, the 3rd kicking option and not the organiser.

I’m not yet convinced Cotric is the answer at fullback. I believe Jack is much better there. I agree that we get more from Cotric on the wing.

I also agree that Sam Williams isn’t our problem. A bloke on a small wage doing a solid job.

In saying that my team for 2019 would be:

1. Wighton
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Rapana
6. Sezer
7. Williams
8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. J. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Soliola
16. Lui
17. Knight / Murchie

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I guess it's hard to judge Cotric at fullback without a quality left edge to take some load, maybe with wighton at 6 and Croker back it changes the necessity of cotric to be the goto

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Brew » August 14, 2018, 4:11 pm

Todd is coming home, why do you think he returned to Sydney for personal reasons to suddenly end up in the UK being coached by Tim Sheens.


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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by bonehead » August 14, 2018, 4:56 pm

Brew wrote:Todd is coming home, why do you think he returned to Sydney for personal reasons to suddenly end up in the UK being coached by Tim Sheens.


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because he thought he'd get a go back in the nrl but after being clearly blocked he went to earn a living

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Post by LastRaider » August 14, 2018, 6:42 pm

Come on guys, there will be no real change to the team. It will be a repeat of this year, which is a repeat of the 2017 side really.

It will be the predictable following:

1. Wighton
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Rapana
6. Sezar
7. Williams
8. Sololia
9. Hodgson
10. Lui
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Papilii

14. Hingano
15. Havilii
16. L.Bateman
17. J Bateman

You all know it will be


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Post by LastRaider » August 14, 2018, 6:56 pm

And yep there will be stages in our games that Sezar, Williams, Hodgson, Hingano and Havilii will all be on the field together at the same time


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Post by zim » August 14, 2018, 7:02 pm

He's never picking a bench that looks like that.

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Making a point of how things will be the same then picking a bench that is nothing like 2017 or 2018 in structure, philosophy or personnel :hmmm
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Seiffert82 » August 14, 2018, 7:25 pm

Dusty wrote:
August 14, 2018, 2:07 pm
I do like the idea of Wighton at 6 purely for his defence. If he does end up there he needs to be a run first pass second player, the 3rd kicking option and not the organiser.

I’m not yet convinced Cotric is the answer at fullback. I believe Jack is much better there. I agree that we get more from Cotric on the wing.

I also agree that Sam Williams isn’t our problem. A bloke on a small wage doing a solid job.

In saying that my team for 2019 would be:

1. Wighton
2. Cotric
3. Croker
4. Leilua
5. Rapana
6. Sezer
7. Williams
8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. J. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Soliola
16. Lui
17. Knight / Murchie

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Yeah, I'd be quite happy with that starting side...or perhaps Cotric to 4 with Oldfield on the wing.

With the bench, I'd be happy with

14. Baptiste
15. Soliola
16. Lui
17. Havili

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Captain Punish » August 14, 2018, 7:50 pm

Sezer and Williams will be our halves next season.

Ricky knows football better than anyone. And if he says they are our best halves, then they are. End of story. His success and track record of rebuilding clubs to premiership success shows that you do not question his motives. The only people that stand in his way from 16 straight premierships are the refs.

And those pricks don't know what they are doing.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Pigman » August 14, 2018, 8:31 pm

T_R wrote:
August 14, 2018, 10:45 am
greeneyed wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:31 pm
bonehead wrote:
August 13, 2018, 9:26 pm
imo only.

j Bateman will be a starter
Sutton isn't a starter yet

6 is our most contentious Jersey.


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It's not contentious. Jack Wighton will be starting No. 6 next year. There is no other real option.
Unless some miracle signing shows up soon, I can't imagine what else Stuart will do.

I don't disagree with it, either. If we could just stem some of the points leakage through the halves, we'd win games.
It's what i always say, if you have halves who can defend their position, you can be a solid team. The teams that stink in this league are the ones with multiple pressure points on the edge

If you can defend at the 11-12 3-4 and 6-7. You're going to be a top 8 team.
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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by mamando » August 14, 2018, 8:34 pm

Rapana is this club’s best fullback

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by papabear » August 14, 2018, 8:42 pm

williams has been pretty good since hes been back

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Post by RTW » August 15, 2018, 1:23 pm

A lot of people seem to think that moving Wighton to 6 automatically solves a defensive issue on the right edge. Sure he can tackle better then any other half we have had in a while but defending 3 in is a skill set in itself.


* I’m not saying it won’t work but it doesn’t guarantee a fix.

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Post by zim » August 15, 2018, 2:02 pm

Yeah there's no perfect solution with the current roster. Every fix presents it's own set of issues.
Even getting rid of the 2 fat forwards will have some negatives but you'd hope the positive increase in lateral movement will far outweigh the negative issues that come with a smaller pack. We lose that occasional game where Boyd or Paulo could just dominate but we hopefully get some defensive consistency.
Jack being moved, likewise, he's a great defender but we won't really know until he spends a good 5 rounds there as it's the decision making that really makes or breaks the position. You can't see him being a worse decision maker than Austin and he's definitely better 1 on 1 than Williams. He's also got the acceleration and motivation to help cover mistakes.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by zim » August 15, 2018, 3:27 pm

Ignoring the position argument there's still a lot of signing/re-signing to be announced to fill out the top 30 squad for next year. At the moment:

Raiders
1. Jack Wighton
2. Nick Cotric
3. Jarrod Croker
4. Joey Leilua
5. Jordan Rapana
6. Aidan Sezer
7. Sam Williams
8. Josh Papalii
9. Josh Hodgson
10. Sia Soliola
11. John Bateman
12. Joseph Tapine
13. Elliot Whitehead

14. Siliva Havili
15. Jack Murchie
16. Emre Guler
17. Dunamis Lui

Mounties
1. Brad Abbey
2. Michael Oldfield
3. Seb Kris (not signed yet)
4.
5.
6. Ata Hingano
7. Brendan O'Hagan (not signed yet)
8. Liam Knight
9.
10. Ryan Sutton
11.
12.
13. Luke Bateman

14.
15. Corey Horsburgh (not signed yet)
16. Setefano Hala (not signed yet)
17.

Even with what's been guessed we are still 3 players off. If you look at every position that hasn't actually been signed it's 7 still to sign.

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Re: Preparing for 2019

Post by Coastalraider » August 15, 2018, 3:36 pm

This is how I'm preparing for for 2019:

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