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Raiders Stadium in Las Vegas provides a blueprint for Canberra

Post by greeneyed » June 13, 2018, 5:46 pm

Raiders Stadium in Las Vegas provides a blueprint for new stadium for Canberra Raiders

Finally, the Raiders are set to play in a brand new stadium in the heart of the city. No, not the Canberra Raiders. The Oakland Raiders, who are set to relocate to Las Vegas for the 2020 NFL season and play out of a brand new, 65,000 seat, $1.84 billion stadium with a retractable roof a short walk away from the strip.

"There’s no doubt that it is very close to the Las Vegas strip," Aguero said. "The expectation is the stadium itself will have a significant impact on the community, both in terms of construction of the project - it’s a $1.84 billion project.

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Post by Walter » June 13, 2018, 6:35 pm

Seriously a $1.84 billion blueprint? I watched the Socceroos at Groupama Arena in Budapest on Saturday and it was brilliant. Capacity of approximately 24,000, all undercover, brilliant views and close to the pitch and it cost less than AUD $65 million and took less than 18 months to build. Perhaps out blueprint should be a little more achievable.

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Walter wrote:Seriously a $1.84 billion blueprint? I watched the Socceroos at Groupama Arena in Budapest on Saturday and it was brilliant. Capacity of approximately 24,000, all undercover, brilliant views and close to the pitch and it cost less than AUD $65 million and took less than 18 months to build. Perhaps out blueprint should be a little more achievable.
Problem is Canberra has some of the most expensive construction costs in the world.

Shenzhen can build a 12km Light Rail (much more complex and twice the stops) for $200 million, we do it for five times the cost at a $billion.

New Budapest apartment for $80k and we build one for $400k.

Erindale got a bus interchange upgrade for a million bucks. Looked to me like about $50k worth of cement and a $20 dollar mural from the local primary school.


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Post by reptar » June 13, 2018, 7:31 pm

BJ wrote:
Walter wrote:Seriously a $1.84 billion blueprint? I watched the Socceroos at Groupama Arena in Budapest on Saturday and it was brilliant. Capacity of approximately 24,000, all undercover, brilliant views and close to the pitch and it cost less than AUD $65 million and took less than 18 months to build. Perhaps out blueprint should be a little more achievable.
Problem is Canberra has some of the most expensive construction costs in the world.

Shenzhen can build a 12km Light Rail (much more complex and twice the stops) for $200 million, we do it for five times the cost at a $billion.

New Budapest apartment for $80k and we build one for $400k.

Erindale got a bus interchange upgrade for a million bucks. Looked to me like about $50k worth of cement and a $20 dollar mural from the local primary school.
You could spend a billion in Erindale and it would still look like that.
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Post by BJ » June 13, 2018, 8:38 pm

Fair point Reptar

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Post by Bay53 » June 13, 2018, 10:19 pm

I saw that Stadium in Budapest the other day and thought that is exactly what we need.

I take the point on things being so much cheaper in Budapest. I have been there and everything was very cheap. It is a great city or in fact two cities Buda and Pest, which came together despite being on either side of the Danube.

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Post by woppadingo » June 13, 2018, 11:59 pm

Latest news is the new stadium construction will begin immediately after the high speed rail is completed.

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We should get a discount if we put the CFMEU back on our jerseys

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Post by RedRaider » June 14, 2018, 7:05 am

I hope the new Stadium is built with the future growth of Canberra in mind. Also possible events. Should the Raiders again make the finals then the current capacity at GIO stadium is tested. Same with the Brumbies. Should the A-League and W-League expand into Canberra then the Stadium could be used all year round. One off events like visiting Football teams and Rugby League and Rugby test matches would also need a larger stadium. The smallest stadiums in Russia for the Fifa World Cup have a 35,000 seat capacity. I hope the ACT Government is looking at a similar size covered venue. The old 'if you build it they will come' has some validity imo.

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You can add concerts to the list of things utilise the stadium for Red. Phil Kearns is on the board for Homebush and Moore Park, and said their biggest revenue raiser this year so far has been Ed Sheeran.

People have to stop looking at these as simply stadiums, and treat them as entertainment venues


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Post by reptar » June 14, 2018, 8:55 am

Who went to see Dire Straits at Bruce Stadium and are they still drying out?
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Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
June 14, 2018, 7:28 am
You can add concerts to the list of things utilise the stadium for Red. Phil Kearns is on the board for Homebush and Moore Park, and said their biggest revenue raiser this year so far has been Ed Sheeran.

People have to stop looking at these as simply stadiums, and treat them as entertainment venues


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How many concerts pull 30,000 people in Canberra? I dont follow the scene much anymore but what was the last big act to come to Canberra? It is too risky for any promoter to try and sell 30,000 tickets as opposed to up the road in Sydney.
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Post by 100%green » June 14, 2018, 11:59 am

gergreg wrote:
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
June 14, 2018, 7:28 am
You can add concerts to the list of things utilise the stadium for Red. Phil Kearns is on the board for Homebush and Moore Park, and said their biggest revenue raiser this year so far has been Ed Sheeran.

People have to stop looking at these as simply stadiums, and treat them as entertainment venues


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How many concerts pull 30,000 people in Canberra? I dont follow the scene much anymore but what was the last big act to come to Canberra? It is too risky for any promoter to try and sell 30,000 tickets as opposed to up the road in Sydney.
I think the last two big acts at CS were Keith Urban and Elton John. Both got big crowds.

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Post by Sid » June 14, 2018, 12:07 pm

They're pretty good, but they aren't no justice crew..
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Post by gergreg » June 14, 2018, 12:08 pm

What are the actual figures? I tried to find numbers for Groovin the Moo because I thought that would be a decent attendance but couldn't find an actual number and I don't know that a festival is suited to a stadium.
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gergreg wrote:
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
June 14, 2018, 7:28 am
You can add concerts to the list of things utilise the stadium for Red. Phil Kearns is on the board for Homebush and Moore Park, and said their biggest revenue raiser this year so far has been Ed Sheeran.

People have to stop looking at these as simply stadiums, and treat them as entertainment venues


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How many concerts pull 30,000 people in Canberra? I dont follow the scene much anymore but what was the last big act to come to Canberra? It is too risky for any promoter to try and sell 30,000 tickets as opposed to up the road in Sydney.
WIN Stadium was sold out for Elton John... WIN stadium... in Wollongong ****.

People will travel if they’re big enough. I know people from down home (Bega) who would travel to Canberra for gigs. They say Sydney’s too far for them.

I cant imagine Bruce working well for a stadium concert, but I’ve never been to one to judge. For it to work, you’d need a proper enclosed stadium closer to the CBD.

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With the right act under the right circumstances I guess it could work. But for it to work it would have to be a weekend concert and historically Canberra and/or regional centres get midweek gigs because Sydney could sell out several shows of a much larger capacity than Canberra. I guess with the right management they could make it work.
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Post by SeeBee101 » June 14, 2018, 3:25 pm

No way would I be making the stadium bigger than 25k-30k. Why would you build a stadium that big if 90% of the time it would be less than a third full.

Build a replica of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsyth_Barr_Stadium . This suits the needs of many with its ability to move around seating to host other events.

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reptar wrote:
June 14, 2018, 8:55 am
Who went to see Dire Straits at Bruce Stadium and are they still drying out?
We did. We’re still damp but getting there

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gergreg wrote:With the right act under the right circumstances I guess it could work. But for it to work it would have to be a weekend concert and historically Canberra and/or regional centres get midweek gigs because Sydney could sell out several shows of a much larger capacity than Canberra. I guess with the right management they could make it work.
Yeah for sure weekend concerts would work better. Take Ed Sheeran for example, his Sydney shows sold out in minutes. Sydney people would travel to Canberra to see him 100%. Then add Canberra locals, plus the regional areas south of Sydney.

They just need the right people working for the stadium to selling the hell out of it for these promoters. I reckon the kind of proposals being talked about here would be a lot easier to sell than Bruce

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sprintman wrote:
June 14, 2018, 4:00 pm
reptar wrote:
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Who went to see Dire Straits at Bruce Stadium and are they still drying out?
We did. We’re still damp but getting there
Likewise! I still remember the evening before was absolutely perfect!

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Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
June 14, 2018, 7:28 am
You can add concerts to the list of things utilise the stadium for Red. Phil Kearns is on the board for Homebush and Moore Park, and said their biggest revenue raiser this year so far has been Ed Sheeran.

People have to stop looking at these as simply stadiums, and treat them as entertainment venues
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Post by BJ » June 15, 2018, 4:37 pm

Stick with the original plan to build similar to the Glasshouse at Dunedin.

This will be a suitable solution for canberra. Building multi purpose for large ground AFL, rectangle League and smaller is a recipe for unsuitable League watching and poor cost benefit return.

This is an excellent podcast about the success of purpose built stadiums and why the world has moved away from multipurpose disasters.

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/ ... -ballpark/

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BJ wrote:
June 15, 2018, 4:37 pm
Stick with the original plan to build similar to the Glasshouse at Dunedin.

This will be a suitable solution for canberra. Building multi purpose for large ground AFL, rectangle League and smaller is a recipe for unsuitable League watching and poor cost benefit return.

This is an excellent podcast about the success of purpose built stadiums and why the world has moved away from multipurpose disasters.

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/ ... -ballpark/
That’s a really good podcast. Interesting that the architects who built these ball parks also built Sydney Olympic Park... Eden Park... Etihad Stadium... Lang Park... and Forsyth Barr: https://populous.com/projects/type/stadia/

I’m sure they could do something for Canberra!
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