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Canberra Raiders in unique position in NRL as they struggle to attract superstars

Post by greeneyed » June 4, 2018, 11:22 am

Canberra Raiders in unique position in NRL as they struggle to attract superstars

Some mornings in Canberra, when the cold settles into your bones, it can be easy to let yourself think about beach life. Or even just a climate that stays above freezing overnight. So why would a young man choose to go to the dance with the homely Canberra Raiders when there are far more conventionally attractive options out there?

Unfortunately, many NRL players must be asking themselves that question because they haven't really been coming to the capital for the past decade.

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Post by Sid » June 4, 2018, 11:27 am

The Raiders' biggest splash in the free-agent market in recent times was probably Blake Austin in 2014, but even his signing was on the back of two massive disappointments.

I wouldn't consider Blake Austin to be a big signing at the time given that he hadn't been a consistent starting position player.
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Post by Rick » June 4, 2018, 11:35 am

So our biggest splash was a bench player in 2014


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Post by dubby » June 4, 2018, 11:37 am

What a stupid article.
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Post by Matt » June 4, 2018, 11:43 am

Way to perpetuate the cycle ABC

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Post by edwahu » June 4, 2018, 12:18 pm

Sid wrote:
June 4, 2018, 11:27 am
The Raiders' biggest splash in the free-agent market in recent times was probably Blake Austin in 2014, but even his signing was on the back of two massive disappointments.

I wouldn't consider Blake Austin to be a big signing at the time given that he hadn't been a consistent starting position player.
I think that's kind of the point of the article.

I'd rate Junior higher though as he would've had more interest on the open market.

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Post by -PJ- » June 4, 2018, 12:27 pm

Oh dear..

We are in dire straits.
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Post by edwahu » June 4, 2018, 12:32 pm

It's not a recent thing either. Our recruitment of elite players died when Brisbane entered the comp, it was just masked by retention until 2000.

We arguably punch above our weight considering the handicap.

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Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » June 4, 2018, 12:38 pm

edwahu wrote:It's not a recent thing either. Our recruitment of elite players died when Brisbane entered the comp, it was just masked by retention until 2000.

We arguably punch above our weight considering the handicap.
This. I have no doubt we wouldn’t have got Meninga, Belcher, Walters etc if Brisbane were in the comp at the same time as us

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Post by TongueFTW » June 4, 2018, 12:40 pm

I am much more concerned with our apparent focus shift away from juniors/younger talent than I am with our inability to attract superstars.

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Post by edwahu » June 4, 2018, 12:44 pm

TongueFTW wrote:
June 4, 2018, 12:40 pm
I am much more concerned with our apparent focus shift away from juniors/younger talent than I am with our inability to attract superstars.
I'm not sure how this ever changed in practice. I feel like a lot of that was posturing.

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Post by -TW- » June 4, 2018, 12:55 pm

Who was the last "name" we signed?

FPN?

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Post by SeeBee101 » June 4, 2018, 12:57 pm

Sezer and Paulo were pretty big signings for us. They were both wanted by other clubs.

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Post by FROG » June 4, 2018, 1:02 pm

This again, really!?!

I live in Sydneys South East. Not suggesting the mornings are as cold as the act, but to suggest that it's singlets and thongs the whole year round would be complete garbage. I rug up on my 1 hour 15 minute journey to work each day. How's that for a consideration on where to live. Doubt there would be anyone in the act who'd spend half the amount of time I do sitting on a bus to get to work each day (I live 14kms from the city).

This cold weather nonsense is a crock of sh1t! It's this defeatist attitude that is Canberras only set back.

The reason for our current predicament has nothing to do with our inability to sign players. We signed Paulo, sezer, leilua, Austin, tapine, waqa, FPN in the past few years... At the same time we let go Vaughan, TPJ, fensom, Barnett. This has had a far more profound affect on where we are. But alas, let's not accept that we could have contributed to the current situation. It must be the cold!!

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Post by LastRaider » June 4, 2018, 1:06 pm

I think this article is out of date now. It’s all changed dramatically with the amount of money in the game at the moment. Players are now seeking big pay days and will travel and live where ever they need to be now to earn the dollars. Canberra issue is we don’t have the purse at the moment to compete due to a badly managed cap.

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Post by raider dos » June 4, 2018, 1:52 pm

I'm interested as to why the journalist felt that now was the time to write such an article? And what his interests are in Canberra or rugby league? I've never heard of the guy. Mulholland was quoted in the story so perhaps he's the one prompting this kind of attention. Not quite sure why though.

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Post by Jake » June 4, 2018, 1:57 pm

Is Canberra REALLY that much colder than Sydney or Melbourne?

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Post by Roy Rover » June 4, 2018, 2:05 pm

Outside of the Roosters and Broncos what teams actually sign superstars on a regular basis?

When was the last time the Storm signed one? Kasiano doesn't count.

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Post by greeneyed » June 4, 2018, 2:14 pm

raider dos wrote:
June 4, 2018, 1:52 pm
I'm interested as to why the journalist felt that now was the time to write such an article? And what his interests are in Canberra or rugby league? I've never heard of the guy. Mulholland was quoted in the story so perhaps he's the one prompting this kind of attention. Not quite sure why though.
I suspect it’s because the fans don’t understand what’s happening with the management of the salary cap... in particular how we are losing players yet have no cap space. I do believe the club thinks that as the only club located inland, “in the country”, we have to pay overs to get players to come.

And I agree with the point made... if the club believes this, it clearly has been the wrong move to disinvest in juniors.
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Post by sprintman » June 4, 2018, 2:32 pm

Jake wrote:
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Is Canberra REALLY that much colder than Sydney or Melbourne?
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Post by raider dos » June 4, 2018, 2:47 pm

greeneyed wrote:
June 4, 2018, 2:14 pm
raider dos wrote:
June 4, 2018, 1:52 pm
I'm interested as to why the journalist felt that now was the time to write such an article? And what his interests are in Canberra or rugby league? I've never heard of the guy. Mulholland was quoted in the story so perhaps he's the one prompting this kind of attention. Not quite sure why though.
I suspect it’s because the fans don’t understand what’s happening with the management of the salary cap... in particular how we are losing players yet have no cap space. I do believe the club thinks that as the only club located inland, “in the country”, we have to pay overs to get players to come.

And I agree with the point made... if the club believes this, it clearly has been the wrong move to disinvest in juniors.
Fair enough, I still don't think the journo really explained the issues though. It seemed like a fairly general history lesson and wasn't critical of the club's move away from junior development. It just seemed like a weird article really.

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Post by Coastalraider » June 4, 2018, 2:52 pm

Ive lived in Canberra, and Windsor at the foot of the Blue Mountains. I have no stats to back me up, but there was bugger all difference. I remember seeing Freddy Fittler during a night game at Bruce last year talking about how it was a 'freezing 2 degrees on field'. That is standard Penrith weather, but nobody comments on that.

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Post by woppadingo » June 4, 2018, 3:44 pm

a. Lots of people live in places that are cold in Winter, like all over the southern tablelands and the foothills of the ranges. But no matter what, Canberra will always be perceived to be that cold miserable place where the pollies live. It does not matter that there are plenty of other cold places or that the pollies don't actually live here. Its the perception and thats all that counts.

b. what is the point of an article that is not going to be read by anyone but Canberrans and we already well know anyway?

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Post by Green eyed Mick » June 4, 2018, 3:45 pm

We're like the owners of the run down house with the over-grown yard blaming the property manager for the lack of interest from renters.

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Post by scotchberry » June 4, 2018, 4:02 pm

We assembled a squad for the 2017 season that went through an entire pre-season and almost half the regular season as premiership favourites - not just from the bookies but from many an expert league analysis.

Now granted I understand it was on the back of no International/Origin players being recruited, and on the back of some great individual performances.

But my point stands that we were indeed able to esemble a squad good enough to go deep into the season,

But yep - that’s right, it was the cold weather.

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Post by LP Raider » June 4, 2018, 5:14 pm

Are we doing this again.

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Are we doing this again.
Same story for 20 years now.

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Post by gergreg » June 4, 2018, 5:23 pm

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Are we doing this again.
Apparently so. Did the article mention the wonderful cycling options in the National capital?
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Jake wrote:Is Canberra REALLY that much colder than Sydney or Melbourne?
Yes. Yes it is.

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Post by EVH » June 4, 2018, 6:18 pm

Jake wrote:Is Canberra REALLY that much colder than Sydney or Melbourne?
Yes, our lows are about on average 10 degrees lower than Sydney and Melbourne, which is huge. Canberra winters are hard, I’ve lived here 7 years and they get harder every year, I honestly think I’ve developed a slight case of seasonal affective disorder, god I hate the winters, so much so I think it’s a large reason why I’m looking to move away atm.
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Post by raiderskater » June 4, 2018, 6:40 pm

Jake wrote:
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Is Canberra REALLY that much colder than Sydney or Melbourne?
Have you ever BEEN here in winter?

Yes. Yes. Much, much colder. I have to stop watching weather reports in winter because my eyes roll so hard whenever Sydney whines that it might be a shockingly cold 5 degrees overnight! (That's positive 5, mind you. Not minus 5.)
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Post by Green eyed Mick » June 4, 2018, 6:58 pm

EVH wrote:
June 4, 2018, 6:18 pm
Jake wrote:Is Canberra REALLY that much colder than Sydney or Melbourne?
Yes, our lows are about on average 10 degrees lower than Sydney and Melbourne, which is huge. Canberra winters are hard, I’ve lived here 7 years and they get harder every year, I honestly think I’ve developed a slight case of seasonal affective disorder, god I hate the winters, so much so I think it’s a large reason why I’m looking to move away atm.
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Post by T_R » June 4, 2018, 7:15 pm

Noosa's winters are very pleasant, if anyone is concerned.

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