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Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by cholztrad » May 26, 2018, 6:41 pm

This is something I noticed years ago and told a friend about it and we laugh about it weekly because it happens pretty consistently.

When the fullback or winger finishes their kick return run Croker from time to time will step in and take a run from hooker, this almost every time either results in a super slow play the ball or a penalty for holding him down. It seems like a mix between him not being as strong as other centres so holding him down is an easier task and him always wiggling to get out. I'm not sure if this kind of stats exists but I'll have money on him leading penalties given for being help down.
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Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by Peter » May 26, 2018, 6:47 pm

He does successfully milk a lot of penalties. But he also whinges at times where a quick play-the-ball would be the preferred option to an unsuccessful milk. He is quite the cow.

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Post by cholztrad » May 26, 2018, 6:49 pm

Peter wrote:
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He does successfully milk a lot of penalties. But he also whinges at times where a quick play-the-ball would be the preferred option to an unsuccessful milk. He is quite the cow.
Yeah agree, on Friday there was a point where he did infact get a quick play the ball and Jacky got confused and the ball went through his legs lol
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Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » May 26, 2018, 7:08 pm

He also talks to himself before kicking conversions, and waves his arms like he’s attempting flight after every play the ball. I want to know Croker’s arm wave:penalty awarded percentage

@Matt - Surely you have these stats at your disposal?

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Post by raiderskater » May 26, 2018, 7:20 pm

Croker does milk a lot of penalties - but the guy does deserve them probably 90% of the time.

The ones we don't get are the ones where he's pushed off the chase and this happens extremely regularly. He's interfered with a LOT and that's likely because teams know if he gets to the ball in goal we're probably gonna score.

I remember a particularly obvious one in 2016 against Souths...three Souths players were all running Croker off the ball as it rolled in goal. Except they kinda forgot about Edrick Lee...
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Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by -PJ- » May 26, 2018, 7:53 pm

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
May 26, 2018, 7:08 pm
He also talks to himself before kicking conversions, and waves his arms like he’s attempting flight after every play the ball. I want to know Croker’s arm wave:penalty awarded percentage

@Matt - Surely you have these stats at your disposal?
With the ball on the tee Croker is saying "inside left post"

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Post by Billy Walker » May 26, 2018, 10:52 pm

I've noticed he tends to stumble a bit with his eyes rolling about the place after he tries to tackle Konrad Hurrell.

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Post by Begbie » May 26, 2018, 11:03 pm

Yes, I've noticed it, especially this year. It's pretty funny when finishes his routine, he always throws both arms up in the air in exasperation. It's kind of like an little extra bonus he brings to his game, like his goal kicking.

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Post by raiderskater » May 27, 2018, 12:16 am

Billy Walker wrote:
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I've noticed he tends to stumble a bit with his eyes rolling about the place after he tries to tackle Konrad Hurrell.
Hey, that was once. He returned fire most effectively on the second exchange.
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Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by BJ » May 27, 2018, 12:33 am

The number of soft penalties Croker gets correlates with the scientifically researched ‘team captain/famous player likely penalty factor’.

Joe Bloggs can be held down by Cooper Cronk for a week without getting a penalty, but if the refs see Joe Blogs ensure Cameron Smith is held down for a millisecond too long then he will get a penalty.


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Post by Westsydneyraider » May 27, 2018, 1:04 am

Yeah completely agree and have seen it without a doubt.
He does get a few soft ones our way but if he doesn’t get it then obviously it creates a slow play the ball so it’s semi-risky move really.

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Post by BigPapa » May 27, 2018, 7:13 am

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Post by Northern Raider » May 27, 2018, 8:38 am

Westsydneyraider wrote:Yeah completely agree and have seen it without a doubt.
He does get a few soft ones our way but if he doesn’t get it then obviously it creates a slow play the ball so it’s semi-risky move really.
They generally don't want a quick play the ball when most of the forward pack are ambling back to the ruck. A penalty is infinitely more valuable.

Lots of players from all clubs try to milk it. Did you see Uate flopping back to the ground on all his hit ups off kick returns?

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Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by cholztrad » May 27, 2018, 11:27 am

Northern Raider wrote:
May 27, 2018, 8:38 am
Westsydneyraider wrote:Yeah completely agree and have seen it without a doubt.
He does get a few soft ones our way but if he doesn’t get it then obviously it creates a slow play the ball so it’s semi-risky move really.
They generally don't want a quick play the ball when most of the forward pack are ambling back to the ruck. A penalty is infinitely more valuable.

Lots of players from all clubs try to milk it. Did you see Uate flopping back to the ground on all his hit ups off kick returns?

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I'm not sure why you're trying to shift focus, defend or argue it. It's just something I noticed and other people have also seen. It's not meant to be a mock on his game but just an observation that it's very consistantly happens with Croker.. I have seen Uate flop around a fair but difference here is that with Uate he's lifting players off him where with Croker he looks more like a dead fish.
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Post by BadnMean » May 27, 2018, 12:11 pm

Watched for it since someone mentioned it. It's partly the captain factor, partly his smaller and agile so able to start getting up quicker and his style of running is to get his body between and slide through the half gap, meaning he is often actually able to find his front as they drag him down so deserves a quick play ball, vs someone who barges in and ends in a big tangled mess so they all get to unwrap and peel off slowly.

Probably a combo of all those gets him .5 extra penalties a game or something.

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Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by Pigman » May 27, 2018, 12:48 pm

He's very good at getting to his stomach on those runs, he gets there quickly and initiates the milking very quickly so the perception is he's being held down longer. He's incredibly agile so when he gets hit, he just gets himself spun into a position where he can get into it. It's in its own way a pretty handy skill
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Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by -PJ- » May 27, 2018, 1:17 pm

Some of those goal kicks he lines up to either level a game or win a game would have my backend going 5c 50c 5c 50c.

Everytime he approaches the ref to question a dodgy call he's turned away.

So waving his arms and carrying on like a 2bob watch is fine with me..
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Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by Northern Raider » May 27, 2018, 5:38 pm

cholztrad wrote:
Northern Raider wrote:
May 27, 2018, 8:38 am
Westsydneyraider wrote:Yeah completely agree and have seen it without a doubt.
He does get a few soft ones our way but if he doesn’t get it then obviously it creates a slow play the ball so it’s semi-risky move really.
They generally don't want a quick play the ball when most of the forward pack are ambling back to the ruck. A penalty is infinitely more valuable.

Lots of players from all clubs try to milk it. Did you see Uate flopping back to the ground on all his hit ups off kick returns?

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I'm not sure why you're trying to shift focus, defend or argue it. It's just something I noticed and other people have also seen. It's not meant to be a mock on his game but just an observation that it's very consistantly happens with Croker.. I have seen Uate flop around a fair but difference here is that with Uate he's lifting players off him where with Croker he looks more like a dead fish.
Didn't realise I was shifting focus. Thought I was responding to a comment about a slow play the ball being risky in these situations.

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Post by Chicka Chicka Chicka » May 27, 2018, 6:35 pm

I think Croker takes some tough carries after a kick return. Often one of the early ones in the set when you’re pretty well cannon fodder for the defence but he puts his hand up to take it. Shows leadership qualities in doing the hard stuff.

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Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by Matt » May 27, 2018, 7:34 pm

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:
May 26, 2018, 7:08 pm
He also talks to himself before kicking conversions, and waves his arms like he’s attempting flight after every play the ball. I want to know Croker’s arm wave:penalty awarded percentage

@Matt - Surely you have these stats at your disposal?
Its about 15%

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Post by Grün Maschine » May 27, 2018, 7:55 pm

Maybe his arm waving is to start a mid game viking clap

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Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by greeneyed » May 27, 2018, 9:26 pm

So Jarrod Croker gets an occasional penalty for being held down. Not to mention all the penalties he doesn’t get for being obstructed in the chase. And there’s a whole thread about it? I’ve now seen it all. Ridiculous.
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Post by cholztrad » May 28, 2018, 11:01 am

greeneyed wrote:
May 27, 2018, 9:26 pm
So Jarrod Croker gets an occasional penalty for being held down. Not to mention all the penalties he doesn’t get for being obstructed in the chase. And there’s a whole thread about it? I’ve now seen it all. Ridiculous.
What is rediculous is that you as a forum owner will see an issue with someone posting a legit observation about a player who also happens to be the captain of the team the forum is about, It's not like i'm **** on Croker, it's funny, he gets the ball early in the set and me and my freind start to jokingly scream YESSS, we are going to get a penalty. To be honest it's your attitute and other seniors around here where you tend to see an issue with anything posted about your favourite players that's turned me off this forum. You guys need to chill and not think everything is an argument or a dig, a normal conversation can happen where it's light hearted but when you have old timers that seem to be always grumpy calling things rediculous this place ends up becoming unbearable. Me and a friend jokingly call this place TheGrumpyHouse :)
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Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by cholztrad » May 28, 2018, 11:07 am

Pigman wrote:
May 27, 2018, 12:48 pm
He's very good at getting to his stomach on those runs, he gets there quickly and initiates the milking very quickly so the perception is he's being held down longer. He's incredibly agile so when he gets hit, he just gets himself spun into a position where he can get into it. It's in its own way a pretty handy skill
To be honest a lot of the time he's on his back and trying to turn over but he gets layed on which causes the penalty, I've had an eye on this for around 3 years. But you're right in that he's great at wiggling so a lot of the time while he's still on his back and his flopping around that he ends up pretty sideways and trying to turn but then gets pushed back to his back which makes it looks like he's been worked to hard which either results in the penalty or the slow play the ball.
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Post by greeneyed » May 28, 2018, 2:45 pm

cholztrad wrote:
May 28, 2018, 11:01 am
greeneyed wrote:
May 27, 2018, 9:26 pm
So Jarrod Croker gets an occasional penalty for being held down. Not to mention all the penalties he doesn’t get for being obstructed in the chase. And there’s a whole thread about it? I’ve now seen it all. Ridiculous.
What is rediculous is that you as a forum owner will see an issue with someone posting a legit observation about a player who also happens to be the captain of the team the forum is about, It's not like i'm **** on Croker, it's funny, he gets the ball early in the set and me and my freind start to jokingly scream YESSS, we are going to get a penalty. To be honest it's your attitute and other seniors around here where you tend to see an issue with anything posted about your favourite players that's turned me off this forum. You guys need to chill and not think everything is an argument or a dig, a normal conversation can happen where it's light hearted but when you have old timers that seem to be always grumpy calling things rediculous this place ends up becoming unbearable. Me and a friend jokingly call this place TheGrumpyHouse :)
Fair enough to call me out on that!

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Post by T_R » May 28, 2018, 3:07 pm

cholztrad wrote:
May 28, 2018, 11:01 am
Me and a friend jokingly call this place TheGrumpyHouse :)
Do either of you laugh?
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Son, we live in a world that has forums, and those forums have to be guarded by Mods. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Nickman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Lucy, and you curse GE. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that GE’s moderation, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, keeps threads on track and under the appropriately sized, highlighted green headings.
You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.

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Post by cholztrad » May 28, 2018, 3:21 pm

T_R wrote:
May 28, 2018, 3:07 pm
cholztrad wrote:
May 28, 2018, 11:01 am
Me and a friend jokingly call this place TheGrumpyHouse :)
Do either of you laugh?
Yes we laugh at things like as highlighted in the thread when Croker gets the ball there's a chance we are going to get a penalty, we laugh at the refs & the state of the game, we laugh at how silly this place has become where all the old timers with their high post counts just want to continue to argue amongst themselves and throw logic out the window in which you have threads filled with old timers arguing their points with moot points. The best time for a laugh is to go on this forum is after a Canberra loss so I can laugh at the "sack who ever threads" which is a fairly consistant trend where you have the old timers agressivisivily aruguing over the topic and not really pushing a logical discussion but more of a bias one (I said I liked this player / didn't like this player signing 3 years ago, so I need to need to continue to push that narative for as long as I post on this forum)
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Post by zim » May 28, 2018, 3:32 pm

:lol:

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That sounds like a positive BARREL of laughs!

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Son, we live in a world that has forums, and those forums have to be guarded by Mods. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Nickman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Lucy, and you curse GE. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that GE’s moderation, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, keeps threads on track and under the appropriately sized, highlighted green headings.
You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.

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greeneyed wrote:
May 28, 2018, 2:45 pm
cholztrad wrote:
May 28, 2018, 11:01 am
greeneyed wrote:
May 27, 2018, 9:26 pm
So Jarrod Croker gets an occasional penalty for being held down. Not to mention all the penalties he doesn’t get for being obstructed in the chase. And there’s a whole thread about it? I’ve now seen it all. Ridiculous.
What is rediculous is that you as a forum owner will see an issue with someone posting a legit observation about a player who also happens to be the captain of the team the forum is about, It's not like i'm **** on Croker, it's funny, he gets the ball early in the set and me and my freind start to jokingly scream YESSS, we are going to get a penalty. To be honest it's your attitute and other seniors around here where you tend to see an issue with anything posted about your favourite players that's turned me off this forum. You guys need to chill and not think everything is an argument or a dig, a normal conversation can happen where it's light hearted but when you have old timers that seem to be always grumpy calling things rediculous this place ends up becoming unbearable. Me and a friend jokingly call this place TheGrumpyHouse :)
Fair enough to call me out on that!

PS I’m not the forum owner... just one of the Administrators.
Really?

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T_R has The GH negatively geared for tax deduction purposes

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gangrenous wrote:
May 28, 2018, 6:19 pm
T_R has The GH negatively geared for tax deduction purposes
Prob claimed the first forum owner grant as well.

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Been deliberately running the place at a loss for years

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Son, we live in a world that has forums, and those forums have to be guarded by Mods. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Nickman? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Lucy, and you curse GE. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know -- that GE’s moderation, while tragic, probably saved lives; and my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, keeps threads on track and under the appropriately sized, highlighted green headings.
You want moderation because deep down in places you don't talk about at parties, you want me on that forum -- you need me on that forum. We use words like "stay on topic," "use the appropriate forum," "please delete." We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punch line. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very moderation that I provide and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather that you just said "thank you" and went on your way. Otherwise, I suggest you get a green handle and edit a post. Either way, I don't give a DAMN what you think about moderation.

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Re: Has anyone else noticed this about Croker?

Post by -TW- » May 28, 2018, 6:51 pm

gangrenous wrote:T_R has The GH negatively geared for tax deduction purposes
I've heard the TheGH is a registered charity for Raiders related mental and physical illnesses

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