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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Raiders666 » July 10, 2018, 6:47 pm

Still can't find a spot for him....especially with Havili playing well at lock

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by edwahu » July 10, 2018, 7:08 pm

Maybe that's why the deal isn't done yet? Havilli is going to be a fair bit cheaper.

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Raiders666 » July 10, 2018, 7:53 pm

edwahu wrote:
July 10, 2018, 7:08 pm
Maybe that's why the deal isn't done yet? Havilli is going to be a fair bit cheaper.
Yeah probably not a bad thing if that's the case

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by zim » July 10, 2018, 9:39 pm

And John Bateman isn't an NRL lock.

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Timbo » July 11, 2018, 9:37 am

I definitely think we still want Bateman, especially if Papa moves to prop.

A backrow rotation of Whitehead, Tapine and J.Bateman looks pretty good. Also, given that Tapine is beginning to become the kind of player you have to forecast ~6 games on the sideline through suspension each year it's even more important.
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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Coastalraider » July 11, 2018, 10:05 am

At the moment when we lose Whitehead or Tarps we slide Sia onto the edge. That is not sustainable moving forward, and Sticky has shown so far this year he is not confident in moving Murchie into that role, regardless of Sia’s lateral deficiencies.
Adding an international level player who can play middle, edge or centre is basically adding another Whitehead, and with no proven ability at NRL level wouldn’t break the bank.

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Dusty » July 11, 2018, 10:57 am

My man on the ground in the UK think that lock in J. Bateman's best position. The same person assured me that Hodgson and Whitehead were quality (although they've both achieved more than he thought) and that Jordan Turner was bog average.
If Bateman comes I can see him at lock with our pack looking something like this:

8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Murchie / Knight
16. Soliola
17. Lui
2019: 1. Wighton 2. Cotric 3. Croker 4 Leilua 5. Rapana 6. Norman 7. Sezer 8. Sutton 9. Hodgson 10. Papalii 11. Tapine 12. Whitehead 13. J.Bateman ----
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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Matt » July 11, 2018, 12:13 pm

Dusty wrote:
July 11, 2018, 10:57 am
My man on the ground in the UK think that lock in J. Bateman's best position. The same person assured me that Hodgson and Whitehead were quality (although they've both achieved more than he thought) and that Jordan Turner was bog average.
If Bateman comes I can see him at lock with our pack looking something like this:

8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Murchie / Knight
16. Soliola
17. Lui
I could live with that pack

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Coastalraider » July 11, 2018, 12:18 pm

Matt wrote:
July 11, 2018, 12:13 pm
Dusty wrote:
July 11, 2018, 10:57 am
My man on the ground in the UK think that lock in J. Bateman's best position. The same person assured me that Hodgson and Whitehead were quality (although they've both achieved more than he thought) and that Jordan Turner was bog average.
If Bateman comes I can see him at lock with our pack looking something like this:

8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Murchie / Knight
16. Soliola
17. Lui
I could live with that pack
I think it’s acceptable, for sure, but it relies on 2 imports not only producing the goods, but not getting homesick. Neither Bateman or Sutton have proven anything yet.
If he happier knowing that some of the money saved for losing Austin/Paulo/Boyd, and potentially BJ would go towards an addition of a Klemmer/Tapau type, with a Norman in halves. None of our signings so far would be in close to the money Austin/Paulo/Boyd were offered, so I’m cautiously optimistic there is more to come.

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by -PJ- » July 11, 2018, 2:38 pm

Matt wrote:
July 11, 2018, 12:13 pm
Dusty wrote:
July 11, 2018, 10:57 am
My man on the ground in the UK think that lock in J. Bateman's best position. The same person assured me that Hodgson and Whitehead were quality (although they've both achieved more than he thought) and that Jordan Turner was bog average.
If Bateman comes I can see him at lock with our pack looking something like this:

8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Murchie / Knight
16. Soliola
17. Lui
I could live with that pack
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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Green eyed Mick » July 11, 2018, 3:24 pm

Dusty wrote:
July 11, 2018, 10:57 am
My man on the ground in the UK think that lock in J. Bateman's best position. The same person assured me that Hodgson and Whitehead were quality (although they've both achieved more than he thought) and that Jordan Turner was bog average.
If Bateman comes I can see him at lock with our pack looking something like this:

8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Murchie / Knight
16. Soliola
17. Lui
It's not bad, Guler and Bateman aren't the worst back-ups.

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by edwahu » July 11, 2018, 3:32 pm

Luke Bateman will get picked ahead of Knight or Murchie.

I'd prefer Papalii to stay at Lock, but if we don't move him our depth chart for props would be:
Sia, Sutton, Lui, L.Bateman (sort of a prop),Knight, Guler, Hunt, Horsburgh (more of a lock).

That's the worst in the comp and really either way we need to hope Guler is a Vaughan type rookie.

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by -TW- » July 11, 2018, 7:00 pm

Guler and Knight should both be above Bateman

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Dusty » July 11, 2018, 7:06 pm

I haven’t seen much of Guler and I only saw a bit of him in the Origin 20s tonight. Didn’t impress


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2019: 1. Wighton 2. Cotric 3. Croker 4 Leilua 5. Rapana 6. Norman 7. Sezer 8. Sutton 9. Hodgson 10. Papalii 11. Tapine 12. Whitehead 13. J.Bateman ----
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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by -TW- » July 11, 2018, 7:15 pm

He racked up 180m from 20 carries a few weeks ago in ISP

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by greeneyed » July 11, 2018, 8:06 pm

Dusty wrote:
July 11, 2018, 7:06 pm
I haven’t seen much of Guler and I only saw a bit of him in the Origin 20s tonight. Didn’t impress


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I thought he played well.
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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Dusty » July 12, 2018, 9:20 am

I didn’t think he was poor... Maybe I expected more, I’m not sure. Rather than saying he didn’t impress maybe I should rephrase
He was solid without being dominant


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2019: 1. Wighton 2. Cotric 3. Croker 4 Leilua 5. Rapana 6. Norman 7. Sezer 8. Sutton 9. Hodgson 10. Papalii 11. Tapine 12. Whitehead 13. J.Bateman ----
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Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by RTW » July 12, 2018, 9:55 am

Dusty wrote:I didn’t think he was poor... Maybe I expected more, I’m not sure. Rather than saying he didn’t impress maybe I should rephrase
He was solid without being dominant


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Yeah at first I was expecting more but important to remember that it was Origin even if it is 20’s and you won’t often see a forward just come out and dominate in that setting. Having said that David Fifita has the potential to do justthat and it is disappointing to see the Broncos put the club above individual and I assume rule him out.

Horsburgh was the pick of our lot for mine and if you’re not excited about the potential for a red head to be running around in a green 13 jumper then get the **** out of here!
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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Matt » July 12, 2018, 9:58 am

RTW wrote:
July 12, 2018, 9:55 am
Dusty wrote:I didn’t think he was poor... Maybe I expected more, I’m not sure. Rather than saying he didn’t impress maybe I should rephrase
He was solid without being dominant


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Yeah at first I was expecting more but important to remember that it was Origin even if it is 20’s and you won’t often see a forward just come out and dominate in that setting. Having said that David Fifita has the potential to do justthat and it is disappointing to see the Broncos put the club above individual and I assume rule him out.

Horsburgh was the pick of our lot for mine and if your not excited about the potential for a red head to be running around in a green 13 jumper then get the **** out of here!
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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by SeeBee101 » July 12, 2018, 10:05 am

Guler - NSW Statistics:

14 Games
17 Tackle Breaks
10 Offloads
86.9% Tackle Eff
116.5 Avg Running Metres
178 Carries
1630 Total Metres
9.15 Metres per carry

Amazing statistics for a 20 year old forward.....

He reminds me of Alex Twal from the Tigers. He has had a good first year off the bench averaging a tad under 100 metres a game.

15 Games
96.3 Avg Running Metres
161 Runs
1445 Total Metres
8.97 Metres per carry

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Matt » July 12, 2018, 1:22 pm

SeeBee101 wrote:
July 12, 2018, 10:05 am
Guler - NSW Statistics:

14 Games
17 Tackle Breaks
10 Offloads
86.9% Tackle Eff
116.5 Avg Running Metres
178 Carries
1630 Total Metres
9.15 Metres per carry

Amazing statistics for a 20 year old forward.....

He reminds me of Alex Twal from the Tigers. He has had a good first year off the bench averaging a tad under 100 metres a game.

15 Games
96.3 Avg Running Metres
161 Runs
1445 Total Metres
8.97 Metres per carry
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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by zim » July 12, 2018, 1:30 pm

Dusty wrote:
July 11, 2018, 7:06 pm
I haven’t seen much of Guler and I only saw a bit of him in the Origin 20s tonight. Didn’t impress.
I haven't seen one stand out performance from him in origin, and that used to be my opinion of him, but don't let that decide it for you. He has done very well for many weeks in ISP. Looks every bit a future first grader but for whatever reason always plays bellow his best in rep games. Maybe it's a mental thing or he struggles to find rhythm. There's a big speed boost going from ISP to u20s origin.

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by -TW- » July 14, 2018, 11:23 am

Seems like Bateman is done according to Ricky

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Bennyinthewest » July 14, 2018, 12:40 pm

-TW- wrote:Seems like Bateman is done according to Ricky
I actually do rate him (so I’m excited to hear this)

Hoping he goes to lock.

Where did Ricky say this??


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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by greeneyed » July 14, 2018, 1:07 pm

On ABC Grandstand, Tim Gavel said they’d signed Sutton and Bateman, and Ricky agreed as if both had been announced.
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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by -TW- » July 14, 2018, 2:01 pm

greeneyed wrote:On ABC Grandstand, Tim Gavel said they’d signed Sutton and Bateman, and Ricky agreed as if both had been announced.
"oh crap, I shouldn't have said that"

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Chicka Chicka Chicka » July 14, 2018, 2:10 pm

Are two Bateman better than one?

Double the pleasure??

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by simo » July 14, 2018, 10:22 pm

Chicka Chicka Chicka wrote:
July 14, 2018, 2:10 pm
Are two Bateman better than one?

Double the pleasure??
Batemen*

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by -TW- » July 14, 2018, 10:45 pm

Matt Nable will still have no idea. One will be Williams the other will be Whitehead

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Re: Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by Ruben Daley » July 14, 2018, 11:20 pm

Dusty wrote:
July 11, 2018, 10:57 am
My man on the ground in the UK think that lock in J. Bateman's best position. The same person assured me that Hodgson and Whitehead were quality (although they've both achieved more than he thought) and that Jordan Turner was bog average.
If Bateman comes I can see him at lock with our pack looking something like this:

8. Sutton
9. Hodgson
10. Papalii
11. Tapine
12. Whitehead
13. Bateman

14. Havili
15. Murchie / Knight
16. Soliola
17. Lui
I don’t mind that. The bench could also look like this:

14. Baptiste
15. Havili
16. Soliola
17. Lui

I really like the flexibility of that bench.

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Canberra Raiders to sign Bateman and Sutton

Post by RTW » July 15, 2018, 9:27 am

I’m not sure Sutton walks straight into the starting line up. Granted he has played 100+ super league games but he is a year younger then Liam Knight. Knight is hopefully on a progression path that sees him playing greater minutes.

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