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Where would you like a new Canberra Stadium to be built?

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I'm hearing that the ACT Government is planning on selling off the civic pool site to private developers
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A staged rebuild would be horrible. The stadium needs to be bulldozed. Fans are so far away from the action presently that doing it in stages would effect sight lines from quite a lot of the inner bowl and terraces.
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I'd rather they spend a bit on Viking Park and make it into a usable ~12,000 seat venue and we play there for a year while they do the whole thing in one hit.

Playing in a building site would suck.
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They should just play at Manuka if they need an alternative for a year. I don't think they should spend a whole pile of public money on a privately owned rugby union ground in Tuggeranong.
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greeneyed wrote:They should just play at Manuka if they need an alternative for a year. I don't think they should spend a whole pile of public money on a privately owned rugby union ground in Tuggeranong.
I think it’s about needing a second boutique rectangular ground somewhere in Canberra for mid crowd drawing sports like Womens soccer, second tier rugby or maybe a rock concert.
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Some concerning news has come out how the cost of building the Football (soccer) Hall of Fame has blown out from $24 million to an estimated $48 million.

Construction costs would hit a new or refurbished stadium in the same way. Barr and Co.would be well aware of this. So, continuously pushing back the start of any works is simply going to cost ratepayers more than necessary. The worst part is that they could claim they can't afford it, while continuing on with that pointless tram to Woden project.

Capital Football boss Chris Gardiner says the proposed Home of Football in Throsby needs urgent federal funding as fears grow the project costs could blow out to almost $50 million: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14280
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As a project developer mate of mine says. As soon as we know that it’s a government related construction development in Canberra, we can tack on an extra 30% for the ACT government who can be easily fooled and can never extract true value for money, and we also have to add an extra 20% in costs to ensure we keep the local unions happy and pay their high wage and staffing demands.

This article sounds like yet another example in that vein.
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BJ wrote: August 3, 2022, 3:25 pm As a project developer mate of mine says. As soon as we know that it’s a government related construction development in Canberra, we can tack on an extra 30% for the ACT government who can be easily fooled and can never extract true value for money, and we also have to add an extra 20% in costs to ensure we keep the local unions happy and pay their high wage and staffing demands.

This article sounds like yet another example in that vein.
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Stadium wars: What Canberra can learn from Peter V'Landys venue explosion with Dominic Perrottet



If only Peter V'Landys was interested in a new Canberra stadium. We might actually have some movement in the capital after 13 years of sporting infrastructure hope. Instead, the city is on the sidelines as a stadium war erupts in Sydney, with V'Landys intent on taking down NSW Premier Dominic Perrottet for reneging on $250 million worth of upgrades to suburban grounds.

There's a simple lesson for Barr and the ACT government out of all this. The longer they wait, the harder and more expensive the project becomes.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14280

NRL’s $800m threat to NSW govt over stadium funding backflip as court battle looms: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... c1c0069b5d

V’landys slams Perrottet on Sydney stadium stoush: https://canberraweekly.com.au/vlandys-s ... um-stoush/
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yurithe1 wrote:
BJ wrote: August 3, 2022, 3:25 pm As a project developer mate of mine says. As soon as we know that it’s a government related construction development in Canberra, we can tack on an extra 30% for the ACT government who can be easily fooled and can never extract true value for money, and we also have to add an extra 20% in costs to ensure we keep the local unions happy and pay their high wage and staffing demands.

This article sounds like yet another example in that vein.
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Spending hundreds of millions raising London Cct and filling in lake burley griffin.

Maybe fill in a bit more lake and build the stadium there or embed the new stadium into the London circuit clover leaf.
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'Now's not the time': Why Andrew Barr's $1b Canberra stadium claim is disingenuous

ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr has described a new Canberra Stadium as a $1 billion project, almost double the price of what the ACT government's own feasibility report suggests. It's disingenuous at best, and hostile at worst.

"Now is not the time to pitch for a new space port for a Canberra or a second airport, or a $2 billion convention centre or a $1 billion football stadium," Barr said at post-budget lunch this week. He also said the stadium was considered "nice to have" rather than essential.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239
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I guess by the time the ACT government gets around to it, it will cost $1 billion. Hard to imagine it will ever happen while Andrew Barr is Chief Minister.
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What a stunning development
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Barr is holding back that $1 billion to bank roll a bunch of promises at the next election. It's been put out there by the Canberra Times and I'm inclined to believe it.

Our best chances of getting a stadium are either the Libs winning the election EDIT.
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More political shenanigans. The game will change in 2024.

The real question is "why the **** aren't we getting a space port?" Seriously.



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Barr has now clarified... $1 billion was not meant to be a "literal figure", and the comparison to a space port and second airport was to make a point that not every piece of infrastructure is essential.

The point remains, the ACT government has failed to deliver a new stadium for the past 13 years, after the need was first raised by Andrew Barr. Endless options and feasibility studies. And no real indication of when they might actually act.
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Hang on... so Andrew Barr doesnt really have any interest in a new stadium
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Reckon we're gonna have to bank on a private investor if we're ever gonna see a new Canberra Stadium.

Waiting... waiting... waiting...
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Raider47 wrote: August 4, 2022, 7:51 pm Reckon we're gonna have to bank on a private investor if we're ever gonna see a new Canberra Stadium.

Waiting... waiting... waiting...
Has that ever been sustainable in Australia?
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I have accepted a tart-up of Bruce is all we are going to ever manage.

The stadium remaining at Bruce also helps the cause of the light-rail, by arguing that its necessary to run to Belconnen via the stadium and arena. Given that's his pet project, I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with it.

As for light-rail being a non-feasible method of transit for a stadium, I was inclined to agree - until I went to a few games at the SCG after they ran the light-rail line past it. They developed the stop there with overflow capacity so for big matches you could increase its capacity temporarily. It works quite well from my experience.

If they can rebuild Bruce, improve access, and allow for a few bars/restaurants to open in the stadium precinct for pre- and post-game activities then I would find that to be an acceptable compromise for the whole situation.
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Timbo wrote:I have accepted a tart-up of Bruce is all we are going to ever manage.

The stadium remaining at Bruce also helps the cause of the light-rail, by arguing that its necessary to run to Belconnen via the stadium and arena. Given that's his pet project, I wouldn't be surprised if it has something to do with it.

As for light-rail being a non-feasible method of transit for a stadium, I was inclined to agree - until I went to a few games at the SCG after they ran the light-rail line past it. They developed the stop there with overflow capacity so for big matches you could increase its capacity temporarily. It works quite well from my experience.

If they can rebuild Bruce, improve access, and allow for a few bars/restaurants to open in the stadium precinct for pre- and post-game activities then I would find that to be an acceptable compromise for the whole situation.
That’s interesting Timbo. It was my trip to the cricket at the SCG and the terribly slow wait for the Light Rail that had me go the other way. Then it led me to read further into the relatively low for a sporting event per hour passenger carrying capacity of our Light Rail and that tipped me the opposite way to you.
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It will never happen.

The best hope is NSW fund a rebuild of Seiffert.

There is no interest and its seen as a folly.
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On the upside if we don’t have some real success on the field soon, we will likely be able to accommodate our supporter base back at Seiffert. I’m good with standing around Seiffert again like the old days.
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When have you ever stood around at Seiffert, Billy?
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Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart gives up on hopes for new Canberra Stadium

Canberra Raiders coach Ricky Stuart says he has simply "given up" on the prospect of the capital getting a new or drastically-improved stadium.

"I've given up the hope or worrying about a stadium. Is it sad or honest? Probably both. What the fans have to put up with out there at Canberra Stadium is unfair," a deflated Stuart said.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14329
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greeneyed wrote: August 5, 2022, 2:11 pm When have you ever stood around at Seiffert, Billy?
Raiders used to play there mate back before Bruce
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Billy Walker wrote:
greeneyed wrote: August 5, 2022, 2:11 pm When have you ever stood around at Seiffert, Billy?
Raiders used to play there mate back before Bruce
I had fond memories of Seiffert, then I went back for a Knights trial match and realised just how bad it really was.
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BJ wrote: August 5, 2022, 5:52 pm
Billy Walker wrote:
greeneyed wrote: August 5, 2022, 2:11 pm When have you ever stood around at Seiffert, Billy?
Raiders used to play there mate back before Bruce
I had fond memories of Seiffert, then I went back for a Knights trial match and realised just how bad it really was.
I recall a lot of dog crap on the hill. The little gold Tolkens you’d put in the turnstiles. Certainly close to the action. Not world class experience but I liked it.
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Surely the Libs run a 2024 ACT election campaign on a new stadium platform.
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Mickey_Raider wrote: August 6, 2022, 8:28 am Surely the Libs run a 2024 ACT election campaign on a new stadium platform.
Take the average crowds at Bruce over the year, subtract the away crowd element. Subtract those under the voting age, subtract a % of people who don’t care and you’re left with a fairly small number of people making noise. This is like the drag way where a small group will make a lot of noise but the reality is there are far greater priorities for a growing City and I can assure you it ain’t happening anytime soon.
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Mickey_Raider wrote:Surely the Libs run a 2024 ACT election campaign on a new stadium platform.
That new stadium election promise tactic has worked for Barr for the last three elections, so it’s a proven winner. Image
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Best hope is Pocock somehow securing some federal funding
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