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Re: Grounds for concern: Could 'super stadium' be on cards for Canberra?

Post by Beejay » May 28, 2018, 9:23 am

Canberra Stadium inner bowl is too far from the field and not steep enough, so it gets too far away from the field at low angle. It's kind of round, but not really. Can't fit an oval game on it, but also not square? Whoever designed it needs an uppercut.

Dr's argument is interesting.
So you're saying that the 2nd tier grandstand only need to be 26m back from sideline to accommodate oval ground?
So inner (ground level) seating needs to slide back 20-26m to get under the grandstand for oval game?

How does grass grow on large section that get covered by stadium seats? Maybe it's only covered for time you have a rectangle game on.
20m inside stadium will just be storage area for the rollback seating. Means Stadium needs to be super wide to fit change rooms ect. ect.

Would be super weird to see an AFL or Cricket game where the 2nd tier grandstand is within a metre or two of the rope. Would be the best viewing experience in the world for Cricket and AFL.

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Post by Bay53 » May 28, 2018, 11:35 am

I am certainly no architect, but when I look at a google maps satellite image of AAMI Park in Melbourne with the old Olympic Park next to it which has been turned into an oval where Collingwood’s headquarters are it seems to me that the whole width of the AAMI Park structure is only a fraction wider than the AFL oval. That would suggest to me that the very back row of AAMI Park is closer to the field of play than the front row of the Meninga or Gregan/Larkham stand.

P.S. can someone do more superimposing of the grounds on top of each other. That is really good.

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Post by Dr Zaius » May 28, 2018, 7:22 pm


Beejay wrote:Canberra Stadium inner bowl is too far from the field and not steep enough, so it gets too far away from the field at low angle. It's kind of round, but not really. Can't fit an oval game on it, but also not square? Whoever designed it needs an uppercut.

Dr's argument is interesting.
So you're saying that the 2nd tier grandstand only need to be 26m back from sideline to accommodate oval ground?
So inner (ground level) seating needs to slide back 20-26m to get under the grandstand for oval game?
That's exactly what I'm saying. I'm glad that someone finally gets it.
Beejay wrote:How does grass grow on large section that get covered by stadium seats? Maybe it's only covered for time you have a rectangle game on.
I'd imagine so. I wonder what Homebush looks like when it's not being used.
Beejay wrote:20m inside stadium will just be storage area for the rollback seating. Means Stadium needs to be super wide to fit change rooms ect. ect.
Change rooms could be underground like at Suncorp/MCG
Beejay wrote:Would be super weird to see an AFL or Cricket game where the 2nd tier grandstand is within a metre or two of the rope. Would be the best viewing experience in the world for Cricket and AFL.
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Post by greeneyed » May 28, 2018, 7:25 pm

It wouldn’t be a good viewing experience for AFL and cricket either... as only one point of each grandstand would be on the boundary. So rather than have your stands curl around the boundary... the stands would be well back for most of the people. It’s a huge compromise for both sets of codes which would satisfy nobody.
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Post by BadnMean » May 28, 2018, 8:55 pm

Beejay wrote:
May 28, 2018, 9:23 am
Canberra Stadium inner bowl is too far from the field and not steep enough, so it gets too far away from the field at low angle. It's kind of round, but not really. Can't fit an oval game on it, but also not square? Whoever designed it needs an uppercut.

Dr's argument is interesting.
So you're saying that the 2nd tier grandstand only need to be 26m back from sideline to accommodate oval ground?
So inner (ground level) seating needs to slide back 20-26m to get under the grandstand for oval game?

How does grass grow on large section that get covered by stadium seats? Maybe it's only covered for time you have a rectangle game on.
20m inside stadium will just be storage area for the rollback seating. Means Stadium needs to be super wide to fit change rooms ect. ect.

Would be super weird to see an AFL or Cricket game where the 2nd tier grandstand is within a metre or two of the rope. Would be the best viewing experience in the world for Cricket and AFL.
Well it was first designed and used for athletics- being the AIS stadium and hence the 400m running track size which doesn't fit any major Australia sports very well.

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Post by gangrenous » May 28, 2018, 9:15 pm

I’ve worked the shift that moves the ANZ stands out before. True story.

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Post by -TW- » May 28, 2018, 9:19 pm

I mean it's no Marvel Stadium roof closing, but it's pretty cool

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Post by Beejay » May 29, 2018, 2:18 pm

greeneyed wrote:
May 28, 2018, 7:25 pm
It wouldn’t be a good viewing experience for AFL and cricket either... as only one point of each grandstand would be on the boundary. So rather than have your stands curl around the boundary... the stands would be well back for most of the people. It’s a huge compromise for both sets of codes which would satisfy nobody.
Yeah I understand what you mean, but the top grandstand would be closer than any other.
Corners would be virtually impossible to sort out.

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Post by Dr Zaius » June 2, 2018, 9:18 am

I came across these on the internet. I wasn't a fan of the whole Stadium Australia redevelopment, but I've got to admit if they can pull this off, it would be amazing.

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Post by CJ42 » June 2, 2018, 6:03 pm

greeneyed wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:
May 27, 2018, 9:40 am
If the plan was to have no seating at one end to accomodate Parkes Way, such as in the photo in the link in the first post:

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It would look like this and have an 18m difference at the end.

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Maintaining the desired capacity with no seating at one end (a bit like the stadium in Dunedin) wouldn't be such a bad idea. It would allow for increasing capacity for major sporting events such as the Football World Cup, by closing off Parkes Way and building temporary seating over it.
They would likely have to build over the top of Parkes Way if it were to be a multi purpose venue that accommodates an Oval, making Parkes Way a tunnel. They’d probably like to do that, to link the city to the lake. But it’d cost a bomb.
City to the lake already has plans to move parks way closer to the lake anyway?


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Post by Riaan » June 2, 2018, 6:32 pm

I wonder what the options would be to build a smaller covered stadium?? Say 15000? Raiders crowds are pretty stagnant apart from finals, the brumbies are probably not going to be around post 2020. A smaller stadium would be cheaper and improve the atmosphere imo.

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Post by -TW- » June 2, 2018, 6:39 pm

Then you trade off being able to host international games, which the govt keeps pushing for

You won't get the Kangaroos or Wallabies.. or even Socceroos playing at a 15k stadium regularly

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Post by greeneyed » June 2, 2018, 6:54 pm

Riaan wrote:
June 2, 2018, 6:32 pm
I wonder what the options would be to build a smaller covered stadium?? Say 15000? Raiders crowds are pretty stagnant apart from finals, the brumbies are probably not going to be around post 2020. A smaller stadium would be cheaper and improve the atmosphere imo.
There’s no point building a stadium that size. We’d want to host finals games and you need at least 30,000 capacity for that. The NRL would understandably tell us to go jump at finals time. And isn’t the point to grow the crowds, not shrink the stadiums?
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Post by Dr Zaius » June 2, 2018, 6:54 pm

Well if they insist on a multipurpose facility , I hope that they look at the technology used in Saitama Arena
http://www.meisarchitects.com/saitama/
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Post by greeneyed » June 2, 2018, 7:02 pm

Dr Zaius wrote:
June 2, 2018, 6:54 pm
Well if they insist on a multipurpose facility , I hope that they look at the technology used in Saitama Arena
http://www.meisarchitects.com/saitama/
Looks very impressive. But that won’t accommodate AFL or cricket. Can’t imagine how it would accommodate turf, either.
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Post by Dr Zaius » June 3, 2018, 10:46 am

greeneyed wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote:
June 2, 2018, 6:54 pm
Well if they insist on a multipurpose facility , I hope that they look at the technology used in Saitama Arena
http://www.meisarchitects.com/saitama/
Looks very impressive. But that won’t accommodate AFL or cricket. Can’t imagine how it would accommodate turf, either.
Oh I don't mean build that exact stadium. I mean investigate how the technology used in it might be used in a stadium better suited to our needs.
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Post by Green eyed Mick » July 11, 2018, 9:58 am

Anyone else getting behind the A League bid?

https://www.cbrregionaleaguebid.com.au

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Post by Timbo » July 11, 2018, 10:08 am

From what I understand, the A-League wants two more teams but favour a third Melbourne team and either a third Sydney team or a second Brisbane team.

Ignoring the fact that Wollongong and Canberra would open up nearly three quarters of a million new fans to the code. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. David Gallop!
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Post by raiderskater » July 11, 2018, 11:05 am

greeneyed wrote:
June 2, 2018, 7:02 pm
Dr Zaius wrote:
June 2, 2018, 6:54 pm
Well if they insist on a multipurpose facility , I hope that they look at the technology used in Saitama Arena
http://www.meisarchitects.com/saitama/
Looks very impressive. But that won’t accommodate AFL or cricket. Can’t imagine how it would accommodate turf, either.
They held the World Figure Skating Championships there a few years ago. Everyone said the stadium was great, but it was so far from any hotel with any sort of capacity that they actually had to have sleep rooms out the back/under the stadium so the skaters could kip between practice and competition.
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Post by Matt » July 11, 2018, 12:11 pm

raiderskater wrote:
July 11, 2018, 11:05 am
greeneyed wrote:
June 2, 2018, 7:02 pm
Dr Zaius wrote:
June 2, 2018, 6:54 pm
Well if they insist on a multipurpose facility , I hope that they look at the technology used in Saitama Arena
http://www.meisarchitects.com/saitama/
Looks very impressive. But that won’t accommodate AFL or cricket. Can’t imagine how it would accommodate turf, either.
They held the World Figure Skating Championships there a few years ago. Everyone said the stadium was great, but it was so far from any hotel with any sort of capacity that they actually had to have sleep rooms out the back/under the stadium so the skaters could kip between practice and competition.
That is freakin cool! A whole end moves

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Post by -TW- » July 11, 2018, 12:33 pm

Timbo wrote:From what I understand, the A-League wants two more teams but favour a third Melbourne team and either a third Sydney team or a second Brisbane team.

Ignoring the fact that Wollongong and Canberra would open up nearly three quarters of a million new fans to the code. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. David Gallop!
Cause they get such massive crowds for the other 2 teams..

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Post by Woodgers » July 11, 2018, 12:34 pm

Green eyed Mick wrote:
July 11, 2018, 9:58 am
Anyone else getting behind the A League bid?

https://www.cbrregionaleaguebid.com.au
Yeah I have and I know plenty of others that have also. I think even if you're not a soccer fan it is in your interests just to put your name down because it costs nothing and if Canberra get a team then the stadium is far more of a reality. It will barely touch the Raiders as it is predominately a summer sport here.
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Post by Timbo » July 11, 2018, 12:37 pm

-TW- wrote:
July 11, 2018, 12:33 pm
Timbo wrote:From what I understand, the A-League wants two more teams but favour a third Melbourne team and either a third Sydney team or a second Brisbane team.

Ignoring the fact that Wollongong and Canberra would open up nearly three quarters of a million new fans to the code. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. David Gallop!
Cause they get such massive crowds for the other 2 teams..
If you also look at how people in Newwy and the CC get behind the Jets and the Mariners it really should be a no-brainer. That idiot Gallop is being distracted by flashy bids when the only sustainable model really is a community driven one.
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Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » July 12, 2018, 6:39 pm

Timbo wrote:From what I understand, the A-League wants two more teams but favour a third Melbourne team and either a third Sydney team or a second Brisbane team.

Ignoring the fact that Wollongong and Canberra would open up nearly three quarters of a million new fans to the code. Ladies and gentlemen, Mr. David Gallop!
It’s true and it’s ridiculous. I remember when the A League first started they made the point of “1 Town, 1 Team” to cut back the issues the NSL had. Now they’re slowly bringing them back. 2 is enough for Sydney and Melbourne.

Canberra should be a given, followed by Wollongong, Tasmania and either a 2nd Brisbane team or a 2nd Adelaide team

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Post by Billy Walker » July 19, 2018, 4:49 pm

I'm hearing all the players are very keen for a new stadium.... except of course for Oldfield... :doubt:

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Billy Walker wrote:I'm hearing all the players are very keen for a new stadium.... except of course for Oldfield... :doubt:
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Post by BJ » July 19, 2018, 5:37 pm

Billy Walker wrote:I'm hearing all the players are very keen for a new stadium.... except of course for Oldfield... :doubt:
Yep. We need to poach Bruce Newfield from Illawarra Cutters, but not Craig Field from Pentridge Soap Benders.

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Post by Bay53 » July 19, 2018, 5:57 pm

Billy Walker wrote:
July 19, 2018, 4:49 pm
I'm hearing all the players are very keen for a new stadium.... except of course for Oldfield... :doubt:
Very good.

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