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Is Croker the right captain for the team

Post by LastRaider » May 14, 2018, 1:00 pm

I know this thread is going to have a lot of haters, but if the consensus is to call for Ricky’s head, there has to also be a question around the captain’s performance over the last 18 months. This thread is not in anyway about his individual effort and performance on game day, it’s around his performance as a leader. Does the team respect him as a captain? Do they play for him? Is he the man they turn too when the pressure is on and is he leading them through these times to success?

Remember being a captain isn’t about having a strong game yourself and believing the players will follow. It’s about leading and inspiring your team and ensuring everyone is doing their job and working as one.

My position is he is a solid player but I think he was made captain to early and he lacks the leadership traits needed to guide this team to success.



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Post by sprintman » May 14, 2018, 1:08 pm

No. Next question

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Re: Is Croker the right captain for the team

Post by LastRaider » May 14, 2018, 1:10 pm

I would like to see co-captains - Sia & Hodgson


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Post by Zip Zip » May 14, 2018, 1:13 pm

I'd like to see Whitehead installed as captain.
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Post by greeneyed » May 14, 2018, 1:23 pm

Not this one again!
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Post by Green eyed Mick » May 14, 2018, 1:32 pm

Hodgson or Whitehead would make a better captain IMO but our problems aren't going to be solved with a new captain.

We have 4 halves whose career ceiling is at best second fiddle. That's the critical roster component that needs to be fixed as a priority.

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Post by raiderskater » May 14, 2018, 1:45 pm

LastRaider wrote:
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One who doesn't play 80 minutes and another who's probably still 6 weeks away from returning.

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Post by Azza » May 14, 2018, 2:19 pm

We need a leader who grabs the game by the short and curlies. I love toots but he ain't it.

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Post by T_R » May 14, 2018, 2:29 pm

I think he is

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Re: Is Croker the right captain for the team

Post by LastRaider » May 14, 2018, 2:41 pm

T_R wrote:I think he is

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Re: Is Croker the right captain for the team

Post by Northern Raider » May 14, 2018, 2:52 pm

LastRaider wrote:
May 14, 2018, 1:00 pm
I know this thread is going to have a lot of haters, but if the consensus is to call for Ricky’s head, there has to also be a question around the captain’s performance over the last 18 months. This thread is not in anyway about his individual effort and performance on game day, it’s around his performance as a leader. Does the team respect him as a captain? Do they play for him? Is he the man they turn too when the pressure is on and is he leading them through these times to success?

Remember being a captain isn’t about having a strong game yourself and believing the players will follow. It’s about leading and inspiring your team and ensuring everyone is doing their job and working as one.

My position is he is a solid player but I think he was made captain to early and he lacks the leadership traits needed to guide this team to success.



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You, like many, are over thinking the role of the captain in an NRL team. Realistically it little more than an honorary position.
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Re: Is Croker the right captain for the team

Post by Pigman » May 14, 2018, 3:15 pm

Northern Raider wrote:
May 14, 2018, 2:52 pm
You, like many, are over thinking the role of the captain in an NRL team. Realistically it little more than an honorary position.
Correct. It's basically just a guy who has the temperament to handle the extra responsibilities... Media commitments, league commitments. Flying to Brisbane to do a photo shoot for league promotions and can be trusted to get early and do his weights session etc

Anyone seriously thinking a change in captain is going to make any meaningful impact on results is living in a different era.
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Re: Is Croker the right captain for the team

Post by raiderskater » May 14, 2018, 3:18 pm

LastRaider wrote:
May 14, 2018, 2:41 pm
T_R wrote:I think he is

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Onus is on you to provide evidence of why he's not.

As far as I can tell, the boys do play for him. You ever seen them after the skipper gets dog-shotted? They go crazy. You watch them in the dressing room before a game, they're all quiet, listening to him.
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Is Croker the right captain for the team

Post by LastRaider » May 14, 2018, 5:39 pm

raiderskater wrote:
LastRaider wrote:
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T_R wrote:I think he is

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Onus is on you to provide evidence of why he's not.

As far as I can tell, the boys do play for him. You ever seen them after the skipper gets dog-shotted? They go crazy. You watch them in the dressing room before a game, they're all quiet, listening to him.
I haven’t seen any of the things you have just mentioned. The players go crazy if any player gets dog shotted. BJ, Rapana, Whitehead and Tapine if they see anything close to a dog shot they over react.

Croker’s captaincy was very absent between the 40th and 70th minute on the weekend. You could have dropped a pin in the game amongst the Raiders players and heard it crystal clear that was that much talk. If the halves are going missing at that stage, the Captain needs to step in and direct the players, instead Croker hung out on the wing




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Re: Is Croker the right captain for the team

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Pigman wrote:
Northern Raider wrote:
May 14, 2018, 2:52 pm
You, like many, are over thinking the role of the captain in an NRL team. Realistically it little more than an honorary position.
Correct. It's basically just a guy who has the temperament to handle the extra responsibilities... Media commitments, league commitments. Flying to Brisbane to do a photo shoot for league promotions and can be trusted to get early and do his weights session etc

Anyone seriously thinking a change in captain is going to make any meaningful impact on results is living in a different era.
I disagree. The Captain plays a major role, especially on game day. Look at the top 6 teams and tell me that the captains don’t make a difference. Even on the weekend against Cronulla, Fifta didn’t shut up on the field the whole game, talking all the time to his troops. He played 80 minutes and the rest of the team saw it and stayed with him.




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Post by gangrenous » May 14, 2018, 6:02 pm

I think Croker is the best player in our team to be captain.

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Post by Pigman » May 14, 2018, 6:38 pm

LastRaider wrote:
May 14, 2018, 5:44 pm
Pigman wrote:
Northern Raider wrote:
May 14, 2018, 2:52 pm
You, like many, are over thinking the role of the captain in an NRL team. Realistically it little more than an honorary position.
Correct. It's basically just a guy who has the temperament to handle the extra responsibilities... Media commitments, league commitments. Flying to Brisbane to do a photo shoot for league promotions and can be trusted to get early and do his weights session etc

Anyone seriously thinking a change in captain is going to make any meaningful impact on results is living in a different era.
I disagree. The Captain plays a major role, especially on game day. Look at the top 6 teams and tell me that the captains don’t make a difference. Even on the weekend against Cronulla, Fifta didn’t shut up on the field the whole game, talking all the time to his troops. He played 80 minutes and the rest of the team saw it and stayed with him.




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Cameron Smith aside
The captains don’t make a lick of difference
Certainly Fifita’s very bog ordinary game of footy yesterday doesn’t change my mind. And I don’t think his troops were inspired or improved by his 80 minute effort

They just worked harder and respected possession, and over came some first class laziness in the first half by their captain and a potential game changing Clanger from him too, to win a game
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Post by Northern Raider » May 14, 2018, 6:46 pm

Sharks didn't win because Fifita is Captain. He's been chirping away at the refs and putting up those types of numbers his entire career. That was the first time he's been Captain. It's a very simplistic view to say the teams that are winning do so because their captain inspires them and those that are losing don't have very good captains. Its park football mentality being applied to a professional sporting code.
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Post by Captain Punish » May 14, 2018, 7:19 pm

I would like to see one J Tapine given the captain arm band. He is the future, the present and the glory.

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Post by yeh raiders » May 14, 2018, 7:43 pm

NRL captains don’t make a difference.... despite nearly every successful team in the comp having an elite player with the big C next to their name.

It’s also why we bothered getting one of the greatest of all time in Mal Meninga, to mentor Croker in the off season. Because we wanted to waste everyone’s time, because it doesn’t make a difference who the captain is and what the captain does....

In all serious, the sooner we move on from Croker as captain, the better. Likewise with Ricky Stuart. Neither are going to lead this team toward a winning culture of success. Time to start fresh.

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Post by Sossman » May 14, 2018, 7:47 pm

I don't blame my boss if I do a **** job.

Crokes is fine at Captain.

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Post by Sossman » May 14, 2018, 7:48 pm

Captain Punish wrote:I would like to see one J Tapine given the captain arm band. He is the future, the present and the glory.

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Post by LastRaider » May 14, 2018, 7:50 pm

yeh raiders wrote:NRL captains don’t make a difference.... despite nearly every successful team in the comp having an elite player with the big C next to their name.

It’s also why we bothered getting one of the greatest of all time in Mal Meninga, to mentor Croker in the off season. Because we wanted to waste everyone’s time, because it doesn’t make a difference who the captain is and what the captain does....

In all serious, the sooner we move on from Croker as captain, the better. Likewise with Ricky Stuart. Neither are going to lead this team toward a winning culture of success. Time to start fresh.
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Captain Punish wrote:I would like to see one J Tapine given the captain arm band. He is the future, the present and the glory.

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Post by Northern Raider » May 14, 2018, 8:07 pm

yeh raiders wrote:
May 14, 2018, 7:43 pm
NRL captains don’t make a difference.... despite nearly every successful team in the comp having an elite player with the big C next to their name.

It’s also why we bothered getting one of the greatest of all time in Mal Meninga, to mentor Croker in the off season. Because we wanted to waste everyone’s time, because it doesn’t make a difference who the captain is and what the captain does....

In all serious, the sooner we move on from Croker as captain, the better. Likewise with Ricky Stuart. Neither are going to lead this team toward a winning culture of success. Time to start fresh.
....or are they successful because they have the elite players to begin with? :hmmm
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Post by Pigman » May 14, 2018, 8:15 pm

Elite players, who generally end up as captains, are quite successful
What a stunning revelation. Haha.

Quite a chicken or the egg situation isn't it?
Do you win football games because you're an elite level talent, and have other quality players around you... or do you become an elite level talent because you're a **** great captain...

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Post by Northern Raider » May 14, 2018, 8:21 pm

What I'm still trying to get my head around is that or fortunes will somehow change if one of the other current players in our squad is given the task of attending the coin toss, complaining to the ref that we are getting a rough deal, attending post match press conferences and doing the obligatory NRL promo activities.
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Post by Matt » May 14, 2018, 8:23 pm

greeneyed wrote:
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Post by yeh raiders » May 14, 2018, 8:34 pm

The point is, players are inspired by those who lead by example of being best in class.

You want peak performance, but don’t want to appoint elite players in leadership positions, let’s see how we go with that. Oh wait, we’ve tried that...

This is without doubt one of the most mentally weak Raiders teams I’ve ever supported. Given the talent we have at the club, we’ve been extremely disappointing.

Speaks volumes that one of the most stubborn coaches in Ricky Stuart, actually sought external help to improve Jarrod Croker’s captaincy.

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Post by Northern Raider » May 14, 2018, 8:41 pm

yeh raiders wrote:
May 14, 2018, 8:34 pm
The point is, players are inspired by those who lead by example of being best in class.

You want peak performance, but don’t want to appoint elite players in leadership positions, let’s see how we go with that. Oh wait, we’ve tried that...

This is without doubt one of the most mentally weak Raiders teams I’ve ever supported. Given the talent we have at the club, we’ve been extremely disappointing.

Speaks volumes that one of the most stubborn coaches in Ricky Stuart, actually sought external help to improve Jarrod Croker’s captaincy.
So which of our elite players should be in the leadership positions?
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Northern Raider wrote:
yeh raiders wrote:
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The point is, players are inspired by those who lead by example of being best in class.

You want peak performance, but don’t want to appoint elite players in leadership positions, let’s see how we go with that. Oh wait, we’ve tried that...

This is without doubt one of the most mentally weak Raiders teams I’ve ever supported. Given the talent we have at the club, we’ve been extremely disappointing.

Speaks volumes that one of the most stubborn coaches in Ricky Stuart, actually sought external help to improve Jarrod Croker’s captaincy.
So which of our elite players should be in the leadership positions?
Captain Croker and Daddy Tapine.

"Leadership Group" sorted.

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Post by LastRaider » May 14, 2018, 8:48 pm

Sossman wrote:
Northern Raider wrote:
yeh raiders wrote:
May 14, 2018, 8:34 pm
The point is, players are inspired by those who lead by example of being best in class.

You want peak performance, but don’t want to appoint elite players in leadership positions, let’s see how we go with that. Oh wait, we’ve tried that...

This is without doubt one of the most mentally weak Raiders teams I’ve ever supported. Given the talent we have at the club, we’ve been extremely disappointing.

Speaks volumes that one of the most stubborn coaches in Ricky Stuart, actually sought external help to improve Jarrod Croker’s captaincy.
So which of our elite players should be in the leadership positions?
Captain Croker and Daddy Tapine.

"Leadership Group" sorted.

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Re: Is Croker the right captain for the team

Post by Pigman » May 14, 2018, 8:48 pm

Northern Raider wrote:
May 14, 2018, 8:21 pm
What I'm still trying to get my head around is that or fortunes will somehow change if one of the other current players in our squad is given the task of attending the coin toss, complaining to the ref that we are getting a rough deal, attending post match press conferences and doing the obligatory NRL promo activities.
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Nailed it. Replace Croker with the best two-up player the territory has to offer.
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Post by Northern Raider » May 14, 2018, 8:54 pm

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Hodgo was captain last year while Croker was out injured. We lost so he obviously didn't provide the inspiration you crave.

Sia is currently out there doing his job. Why is he not inspiring those around him right now?
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Post by -PJ- » May 15, 2018, 7:26 am

A solid yes vote for Jaryd Crocker from me.
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