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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by -PJ- » June 12, 2018, 4:49 pm

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Furner got the chop cause the players requested a meeting with the board to say it was him or them
Imagine the fans requesting a meeting with the board to say it's him or us...
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Post by gangrenous » June 12, 2018, 4:50 pm

Perhaps Furner would shove it right in our faces!

Oh wait... the board... do we think they face shove too?

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by Green eyed Mick » June 12, 2018, 5:20 pm

mamando wrote:
June 12, 2018, 1:31 pm
Is it, or is it not, a results business?

Then how does a) Stick get the job in the first place, and b) keep it after years of mediocrity with half a season of decent performance thrown in??

He has shown nothing in the way of innovation or progression in his 4 years here.
It isn't Ricky's lack of innovation or progression that is the problem IMO. It is that his football sides lose because of the basics.

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by greeneyed » June 12, 2018, 5:28 pm

The club was in an absolute shambles when Furner was sacked, players in revolt. Stuart’s record in Canberra has been significantly affected by the debacle left behind and the need to completely rebuild.

That said Ricky Stuart is running out of time after 2017 and 2018. If the Raiders again miss the finals this year... no further excuses will cut it in 2019.
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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by Captain Punish » June 12, 2018, 5:33 pm

Ricky's results are exactly the same as the tenure before Canberra. The fact they hired one of the worst performing coaches with a history of destroying clubs from the inside thinking he would fix the issue to begin with was pure nepotism and nothing more.

He should never have been hired. He should not still he employed.

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by PerthRaider86 » June 12, 2018, 5:54 pm

greeneyed wrote:
June 12, 2018, 5:28 pm
The club was in an absolute shambles when Furner was sacked, players in revolt. Stuart’s record in Canberra has been significantly affected by the debacle left behind and the need to completely rebuild.

That said Ricky Stuart is running out of time after 2017 and 2018. If the Raiders again miss the finals this year... no further excuses will cut it in 2019.
Dont think we can wait until 2019 GE...... Something needs to happen as soon as we are Mathematically unable to make finals
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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by Green eyed Mick » June 12, 2018, 6:48 pm

greeneyed wrote:
June 12, 2018, 5:28 pm
The club was in an absolute shambles when Furner was sacked, players in revolt. Stuart’s record in Canberra has been significantly affected by the debacle left behind and the need to completely rebuild.

That said Ricky Stuart is running out of time after 2017 and 2018. If the Raiders again miss the finals this year... no further excuses will cut it in 2019.
I think it depends on how he addresses the obvious shortfalls in our squad. If we go into next season with Austin and Sezer as our first choice halves we should expect nothing less than what we have seen the last two years.

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by T_R » June 12, 2018, 7:49 pm

Surely - surely - 2018 is the no excuses year.

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by Captain Punish » June 12, 2018, 7:51 pm

2017 was. We had the squad. No major injuries. Coming off a massively successful year.

And nothing..

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » June 13, 2018, 7:39 am

I’m telling you, it’s not 2018 yet, but there’s already 17 guys hurting in the change room over what 2018 will bring.
They’re already planning how they will build a fortress, empty tanks, drain swamps, do the toughest preseason ever, crouch the Tiger and hide the Dragon


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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by bonehead » June 13, 2018, 7:46 am

Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:I’m telling you, it’s not 2018 yet, but there’s already 17 guys hurting in the change room over what 2018 will bring.
They’re already planning how they will build a fortress, empty tanks, drain swamps, do the toughest preseason ever, crouch the Tiger and hide the Dragon


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you're losing me Fui, is it not 2018?

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by Johno » June 13, 2018, 11:20 am

bonehead wrote:
June 13, 2018, 7:46 am
Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:I’m telling you, it’s not 2018 yet, but there’s already 17 guys hurting in the change room over what 2018 will bring.
They’re already planning how they will build a fortress, empty tanks, drain swamps, do the toughest preseason ever, crouch the Tiger and hide the Dragon


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you're losing me Fui, is it not 2018?

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by 100%green » June 13, 2018, 1:49 pm

greeneyed wrote:
June 12, 2018, 5:28 pm
The club was in an absolute shambles when Furner was sacked, players in revolt. Stuart’s record in Canberra has been significantly affected by the debacle left behind and the need to completely rebuild.

That said Ricky Stuart is running out of time after 2017 and 2018. If the Raiders again miss the finals this year... no further excuses will cut it in 2019.
Problem is two fold...Who will be left on the coaching market worth getting and why is Ricky the only one to wear the blame???

We've gone from Elliott to Henry to Furner to Stuart...and we went with Elliott over Bellamy!!!
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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by dubby » June 13, 2018, 2:19 pm

What's interesting is that I've read many posters say they'd be happy with a GF appearance then years in the doldrums. We were one dropped ball from a GF. What's the difference?



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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by bonehead » June 13, 2018, 2:25 pm

100%green wrote:
greeneyed wrote:
June 12, 2018, 5:28 pm
The club was in an absolute shambles when Furner was sacked, players in revolt. Stuart’s record in Canberra has been significantly affected by the debacle left behind and the need to completely rebuild.

That said Ricky Stuart is running out of time after 2017 and 2018. If the Raiders again miss the finals this year... no further excuses will cut it in 2019.
Problem is two fold...Who will be left on the coaching market worth getting and why is Ricky the only one to wear the blame???

We've gone from Elliott to Henry to Furner to Stuart...and we went with Elliott over Bellamy!!!
McGuire, Hasler, Toovey, Henry, Woolford.

I'd take a punt on most of those guys

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by 100%green » June 13, 2018, 2:26 pm

dubby wrote:
June 13, 2018, 2:19 pm
What's interesting is that I've read many posters say they'd be happy with a GF appearance then years in the doldrums. We were one dropped ball from a GF. What's the difference?



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Last year maybe, and although yes Hodgo's injury has been an issue this year 2016 to now are vastly different. We really haven't looked like the same team in so many ways. Don't get me wrong I do like Ricky and I applaud the club for the hard work they have done to get the club back to where it is today. But how much longer can that continue before something has to change?
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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by T_R » June 13, 2018, 2:36 pm

100%green wrote:
June 13, 2018, 1:49 pm
...and we went with Elliott over Bellamy!!!
I think we all need to stop and reflect on that regularly.


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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by RedRaider » June 13, 2018, 3:05 pm

bonehead wrote:
June 13, 2018, 2:25 pm
Problem is two fold...Who will be left on the coaching market worth getting and why is Ricky the only one to wear the blame???

We've gone from Elliott to Henry to Furner to Stuart...and we went with Elliott over Bellamy!!!

McGuire, Hasler, Toovey, Henry, Woolford.
I'd take a punt on most of those guys
Hopefully those last two were included to make up the numbers Boney. Been there done that with fork tongue Henry. He went to NQ who waited until he left before they won a comp. Then he was moved on from the Titans. Pass. Woolford is a perpetually angry man. Another who has won nothing in the NRL.

The other three though have been down the NRL winners road. Three year contract max and contract written so that we get last offer opportunity. Keep Des away from how the players are paid and let him focus on coaching. Same for Maguire and Toovey. Coaching success is the priority.

We all loved Sticky as a player and what he does off field. But which Board member changed his nappies to have given him that contract extension early last year?

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by -GD- » June 13, 2018, 3:43 pm

T_R wrote:
100%green wrote:
June 13, 2018, 1:49 pm
...and we went with Elliott over Bellamy!!!
I think we all need to stop and reflect on that regularly.


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Post by Brew » June 13, 2018, 4:34 pm

No excuses for 2018, Not really, half the season without our best player. Can you imagine if Smith was out for half a season with the Storm.

Not my view, just how the club will see the failure of 2018.


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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by gergreg » June 13, 2018, 5:06 pm

Brew wrote:
June 13, 2018, 4:34 pm
No excuses for 2018, Not really, half the season without our best player. Can you imagine if Smith was out for half a season with the Storm.

Not my view, just how the club will see the failure of 2018.


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I'd argue that we haven't lost games because of Hodgson's absence. Many other areas have let us down and Havili has been really good.
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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by Green eyed Mick » June 13, 2018, 5:42 pm

Brew wrote:
June 13, 2018, 4:34 pm
No excuses for 2018, Not really, half the season without our best player. Can you imagine if Smith was out for half a season with the Storm.

Not my view, just how the club will see the failure of 2018.


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If the club's board and CEO excuse this season on Hodgo's absence they are even more incompetent than I had previously expected.

We lose because we persist with players who don't get the basics right. Hodgo will no doubt make a difference but not to the extent where his presence would have dramatically altered results thus far.

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by bonehead » June 13, 2018, 5:55 pm

I believe Hingano and havili's mistakes have cost us 4 wins so there is a direct issue there.

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by bonehead » June 13, 2018, 5:58 pm

RedRaider wrote:
bonehead wrote:
June 13, 2018, 2:25 pm
Problem is two fold...Who will be left on the coaching market worth getting and why is Ricky the only one to wear the blame???

We've gone from Elliott to Henry to Furner to Stuart...and we went with Elliott over Bellamy!!!

McGuire, Hasler, Toovey, Henry, Woolford.
I'd take a punt on most of those guys
Hopefully those last two were included to make up the numbers Boney. Been there done that with fork tongue Henry. He went to NQ who waited until he left before they won a comp. Then he was moved on from the Titans. Pass. Woolford is a perpetually angry man. Another who has won nothing in the NRL.

The other three though have been down the NRL winners road. Three year contract max and contract written so that we get last offer opportunity. Keep Des away from how the players are paid and let him focus on coaching. Same for Maguire and Toovey. Coaching success is the priority.

We all loved Sticky as a player and what he does off field. But which Board member changed his nappies to have given him that contract extension early last year?
Mate I put seriously 5secs thought into that list of who is straight out available.

I think the first 4 could serve a purpose and Woolford is building a reputation, let's see where he is at the end of 2019.

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by Kryptonite » June 13, 2018, 6:10 pm

bonehead wrote:
June 13, 2018, 5:58 pm
RedRaider wrote:
bonehead wrote:
June 13, 2018, 2:25 pm
Problem is two fold...Who will be left on the coaching market worth getting and why is Ricky the only one to wear the blame???

We've gone from Elliott to Henry to Furner to Stuart...and we went with Elliott over Bellamy!!!

McGuire, Hasler, Toovey, Henry, Woolford.
I'd take a punt on most of those guys
Hopefully those last two were included to make up the numbers Boney. Been there done that with fork tongue Henry. He went to NQ who waited until he left before they won a comp. Then he was moved on from the Titans. Pass. Woolford is a perpetually angry man. Another who has won nothing in the NRL.

The other three though have been down the NRL winners road. Three year contract max and contract written so that we get last offer opportunity. Keep Des away from how the players are paid and let him focus on coaching. Same for Maguire and Toovey. Coaching success is the priority.

We all loved Sticky as a player and what he does off field. But which Board member changed his nappies to have given him that contract extension early last year?
Mate I put seriously 5secs thought into that list of who is straight out available.

I think the first 4 could serve a purpose and Woolford is building a reputation, let's see where he is at the end of 2019.

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Woolford? didnt even know he coached, last thing the club needs is more jobs for the boys

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by greeneyed » June 13, 2018, 6:19 pm

He coaches in Super League, after the Blues and then Knights NSW Cup.
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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by reptar » June 13, 2018, 6:39 pm

T_R wrote:
100%green wrote:
June 13, 2018, 1:49 pm
...and we went with Elliott over Bellamy!!!
I think we all need to stop and reflect on that regularly.


We
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Over
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I'm not sure I understand this. Is it supposed to be fiction? A haiku?
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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by T_R » June 13, 2018, 7:19 pm

reptar wrote:
T_R wrote:
100%green wrote:
June 13, 2018, 1:49 pm
...and we went with Elliott over Bellamy!!!
I think we all need to stop and reflect on that regularly.


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Over
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I'm not sure I understand this. Is it supposed to be fiction? A haiku?
Turned out to be a tragic epitaph.

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Post by Fuifui Bradbrad » June 13, 2018, 7:32 pm

Thurston also yeah?

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by RedRaider » June 13, 2018, 8:31 pm

bonehead wrote:
June 13, 2018, 5:58 pm
RedRaider wrote:
bonehead wrote:
June 13, 2018, 2:25 pm
Problem is two fold...Who will be left on the coaching market worth getting and why is Ricky the only one to wear the blame???

We've gone from Elliott to Henry to Furner to Stuart...and we went with Elliott over Bellamy!!!

McGuire, Hasler, Toovey, Henry, Woolford.
I'd take a punt on most of those guys
Hopefully those last two were included to make up the numbers Boney. Been there done that with fork tongue Henry. He went to NQ who waited until he left before they won a comp. Then he was moved on from the Titans. Pass. Woolford is a perpetually angry man. Another who has won nothing in the NRL.

The other three though have been down the NRL winners road. Three year contract max and contract written so that we get last offer opportunity. Keep Des away from how the players are paid and let him focus on coaching. Same for Maguire and Toovey. Coaching success is the priority.

We all loved Sticky as a player and what he does off field. But which Board member changed his nappies to have given him that contract extension early last year?
Mate I put seriously 5secs thought into that list of who is straight out available.

I think the first 4 could serve a purpose and Woolford is building a reputation, let's see where he is at the end of 2019.

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by bonehead » June 13, 2018, 8:51 pm

big red, that's why I had him first couldn't agree more

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by RTW » June 13, 2018, 9:19 pm

So Cleary was sacked by the Panthers at the end of 2015 a season where we performed poorly as well. So my question is how do I teleport to the parallel universe where the Raiders hired Cleary and are going into this weekends game as back to back defending premiers and sitting in the top 4 whilst the tigers are dead last where their talentless squad belong?

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by mamando » June 20, 2018, 1:51 pm

Bump.

Flogging the toothless tigers shouldn’t take this off the agenda

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Re: Sack Ricky

Post by Coastalraider » June 20, 2018, 3:07 pm

The win should almost highlight the issues - for a team of players to spend the first 20 minutes of that match looking like they had just met is exceptionally poor. For Hodgo to come onto the field, and everyone suddenly appears to be first graders again highlights the lack of structure, accountability and tactics.

For the entirety of Stickys reign we have relied solely on momentum and confidence to win games. When we have neither, we are nowhere. There is every possibility that we go on a run to the finals now on the back of the confidence we got in that last game. That doesn't change the fact that we are poorly coached in a technical sense, and rely on brilliance rather than tactics.

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