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Boomercm wrote:I find the DOGE stuff fascinating. Very clever people in that group, all brought in by Musk obviously. And they have much more power than anyone thought because they are very smart and capable folk, working across all departments, 100+ hours a p/week. They will do a much better job than everyone thinks of making US government spending transparent. They will continue to turn the tap off funding, and then turn the tap back on slowly. It's the only strategy that would work to create transparency, genius really. There will be so much dodgy **** that just disappears. The down side will be that there will be some necessary funding stopped short term to get that transparency. This is just Musk's playbook in general, strip everything back until a couple of things go wrong. Fix those things, and then you have a system that is efficient. Then scale. I'd say overall its a net positive, but it's all a real life experiment really - no one has tried that approach in govt. I suspect a large overall positive effect in the long run, but not without some casualties (real and metaphorical) in the short term. And they certainly won't find a cohort of 140+ IQ folk willing to work so hard after Musk leaves. Anything might happen then!
Look I’ve only got so much Bull tolerance. So I’m just going to focus on this paragraph and leave others to respond to the rest.

Let’s look at what this brilliant idea might be like through the analogy of running a hospital this way.

Musk comes in and says “Right, we’re shutting off funding to the hospital for just a couple of days. Then we’ll restore everything and see what was critical.”

So without funding, there’s no power. All the machines cease to work. People on critical life support are all dead. People who needed complex procedures urgently they’re dead too, or perhaps managed to be sewn up and suffer to do it all again in future.

Many of the best doctors and nurses are appalled. They are outraged and left immediately to work at other hospitals. It will take years to recover their talent.

Musk then restores funding and the skeleton staff is working overtime trying to get everything back online. Small problems are festering to become big ones while the team has to focus on restoring critical services.

Now it’s time for the audit. Turns out we’ve got all these specialist critical life support systems that are heavily underused (because we just killed the current users). We make money by selling that equipment to other hospitals now it’s apparently useless.

The audit also finds that case numbers for things like cancer have dropped off dramatically while the diagnostic tools were offline. This is a miracle team. We’re curing cancer and saving money at the same time by halting further diagnostics,

This is the final straw for many of your remaining staff who speak out about this chaos. You fire them for dissent. Now your workforce is a quarter of what it was. Great job on the savings. Never mind that that quarter is a bunch of yes people who can’t find work elsewhere or are psychopaths.

But wait there’s more savings to be had - after a review of cleaning, a company that just dusts and mops a little has been found that are much cheaper than our current cleaners. There’s no time or money wasted with that anti-bacterial stuff, Musk tours the facilities himself to see that surfaces appear just as clean as before to his very own eyes.

So, job well done. Much money was saved and now we’re only spending on the critical stuff. Patient numbers are down which is great because we save even more - and those patients not coming anymore must all be healthy right? Improved health outcomes! Oh and we’ve done the stats and the average patient stay has barely changed, someone looking into the numbers suggested this was because longer stays in some areas were being offset by deaths in others. We fired them.

Of course I’m playing this up to stop myself from despairing at the suggestion. But ignoring the hyperbole, the underlying flaws/issues I’m exaggerating here are no less true. I can’t believe you let people spoon feed you this **** on your podcast and convince you it’s nutritious and delicious.

These people aren’t geniuses or hard working. They’re lazy and trying to take a short cut to doing the actual work of finding areas that can change whilst doing minimal/no harm.

You want spending transparency? Why not do an audit and publish the results instead of haphazardly killing people rather than doing your job.
C'mon gangers he absolutely killed it during Covid. By 'it' I mean millions of citizens.

Fast forward... he could just spread misinformation through the media. Ivermectum ... explaining away millions of deaths due to natural causes. But they wouldn't have died of natural causes without catching Covid. Suggesting he got covid himself and recovered within 24 or 48 hours. Worst political stunt ever.

The 'censorship of the media' is a nice touch too. Trump banned or gagged certain journalists and news outlets from his press conferences because he didn't like the questions being asked.

Let's see how his Trade war plays out though before we jump to (the very obvious foregone) conclusions.

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Seems like the tariff war is off after Mexico and Canada agreed to things that were already agreed to months ago :lol:
Great stuff. He'll no doubt talk this up as some amazing win by him.
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There is one side in this that is screaming that Trumpelon is a dictatorship.

The alternate view is that they are bringing long overdue transparency and accountability to opaque govt agencies.

EDIT.

The unusual thing is that these guys are actually following through on their pre-election promises so effectively and swiftly.

EDIT

It's fascinating viewing. Buckle up.
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Dr Zaius wrote: February 2, 2025, 5:30 am
Manbush wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote: February 1, 2025, 9:22 pm
Manbush wrote:
The Nickman wrote: February 1, 2025, 8:15 am I hope they’ve discussed it with Manbush and his couple of friends first.
I just hope they look at the data and speak to the experts if they do that I’ll be happy with whatever the outcome is unlike what they did with vaping which just drove people back to smoking and increased the black market, to be fair though there’s not the same financial incentives with this one.
I hope that they don't just assume that people who work in those clinics are expert just because they work there. Starting a service with no evidence base doesn't make you any expert.

I hope that they talk to people outside those clinics, like those clinicians pushed out of them for dissenting, and other clinicians who have long standing relationships with the families caught up in them.
I’m sure you weren’t implying that’s what I meant by experts, I was talking about people who have studied this stuff for years, doctors, scientists, psychiatrists. Also need to be careful of who is involved, no outright transphobes and no over the top trans activists for example.

I’d be hoping they can thoroughly analyse their books as part of it, talk to as many of the patients as possible, analyse things like if timeframes provided different ratios of satisfaction, the more in depth the better. I just hope they don’t go into it with an outcome (either way) already in mind, thankfully it’s not the LNP doing it otherwise I suspect the outcome would be predetermined.
I'm not saying that is what you meant, but it's generally the perception of the public that it anyone is an expert in the area, it's those working in the clinics. It's like asking cigarette companies to write a report on the benefits of the tobacco industry (well, maybe not that extreme but you get my point).

The problem is that these clinics label anyone who don't agree with them transphobes, so if the outcome goes against the clinics it's because transphobes were involved.
This is very true. The crazy thing for me is that you clearly recognise this in the area in which you are a specialist. And yet you are blind to the fact that this is a society wide issue, across almost every issue that touches on politics. Do you really think this means of ending a discussion (calling people transphobe) exists in this only one domain.

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We could perhaps wait a little before jumping to the conclusion of the effectiveness of these changes?

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I could be wrong, I know that Elon was on the campaign trail and all, but IIRC his role and DOGE were announced after the election.

Trump taps Musk to lead a 'Department of Government Efficiency' with Ramaswamy: https://www.npr.org/2024/11/12/g-s1-339 ... deep-state
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Careful there Zaius, fact checking is on the fast track to illegal these days. You’re likely to be rounded up for gagging freedom of speech under the heinous guise of preventing the spread of ‘misinformation’.
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So, Trump declaring today that they should just ethnically displace the 1.7 millions Gazans (wonder where that other 300k went over the last two years) to either Egypt or Jordan.

"It resembles a demolition site. I don't understand why anybody would want to live there. If we build them somewhere nice, why wouldn't they want to go there?"

Why don't you just rebuild Gaza and stop bombing it with American weapons instead?
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If anyone else is watching the press conference with Trump and Netanyahu... holy ****.
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More shocked Pikachu faces all round in Dearborn Michigan after Trumps Gaza ethnic cleansing announcement.
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Mickey_Raider wrote: February 5, 2025, 10:35 am More shocked Pikachu faces all round in Dearborn Michigan after Trumps Gaza ethnic cleansing announcement.
If the Democrats could've reeled in the Israelis (which was well within their power) and stopped the war 12 months ago, I genuinely think the margins of people who didn't vote would've been enough to tip the Democrats over the line.

We're only talking several hundred thousand people in the Blue Wall states.
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It's amazing how Trump, with a smirking Netanyahu standing by his side, can pivot from talking about how Gaza has "been destroyed" to talking about how Ukraine has been destroyed without batting an eyelid.

IT'S THE SAME **** THING!
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"It's a terrible, terrible tragedy, some of these Ukrainian cities have been destroyed worse than Gaza"
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I hope there’s a class action suit by the American people for breaking privacy laws.

As for Trump **** now talking leveling and taking over Gaza, I hope all the Muslims who voted for Trump and the others who voted for him or did not vote over the handling of Isreal/Palestine conflict by Biden now see what they did.

Trump says US will 'take over' Gaza: 'We'll own it': https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/tru ... =118463249
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The Nickman wrote: February 5, 2025, 10:46 am
Mickey_Raider wrote: February 5, 2025, 10:35 am More shocked Pikachu faces all round in Dearborn Michigan after Trumps Gaza ethnic cleansing announcement.
Now more than ever, I genuinely believe Israel's genocide of Gaza contributed significantly to Trump winning the 2024 election.

If the Democrats could've reeled in the Israelis (which was well within their power) and stopped the war 12 months ago, I genuinely think the margins of people who didn't vote would've been enough to tip the Democrats over the line.

We're only talking several hundred thousand people in the Blue Wall states.
Yeah but Trump was always going to be worse for Palestine regardless of how bad Biden’s policies were, at least he had some inside the party who were pro Palestine where as some within Republican Party wanted them wiped out. People who protest voted were **** idiots.
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I honestly don't think the whole "HAHA you reap what you sow" stance does any good for anyone in this situation.

The reality is that more than a third of the eligible voters in America didn't vote for either Trump or Harris. More than a third. That's more people than voted for Trump. They saw neither as a viable option.
I highly doubt you should expect their support just because the alternative is "much worse".
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The Nickman wrote: February 5, 2025, 10:46 am
Mickey_Raider wrote: February 5, 2025, 10:35 am More shocked Pikachu faces all round in Dearborn Michigan after Trumps Gaza ethnic cleansing announcement.
If the Democrats could've reeled in the Israelis (which was well within their power) and stopped the war 12 months ago, I genuinely think the margins of people who didn't vote would've been enough to tip the Democrats over the line.

We're only talking several hundred thousand people in the Blue Wall states.
I don't think so.

Having spent the last month over there, the previous government was a lot less popular domestically then it was internationally.
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papabear wrote: February 5, 2025, 12:02 pm
The Nickman wrote: February 5, 2025, 10:46 am
Mickey_Raider wrote: February 5, 2025, 10:35 am More shocked Pikachu faces all round in Dearborn Michigan after Trumps Gaza ethnic cleansing announcement.
If the Democrats could've reeled in the Israelis (which was well within their power) and stopped the war 12 months ago, I genuinely think the margins of people who didn't vote would've been enough to tip the Democrats over the line.

We're only talking several hundred thousand people in the Blue Wall states.
I don't think so.

Having spent the last month over there, the previous government was a lot less popular domestically then it was internationally.
We're literally talking a couple hundred thousand people in the three Blue Wall states were the difference.

Are you saying the significant Arab population in those states, who voted for Biden four years ago, couldn't have tilted the scale back in the other direction?

I certainly think it's enough to have made the difference.
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What continually baffles me is the luvies always get to throw big statements like “fascist”, “Genocide” “ethnic cleansing” , “war criminal” as if they are so very very right and anyone who challenges them are (insert insult). So you give me your definition of ethnic cleansing and I’ll tell you why you are wrong. (IMO)
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Lets say hypothetically they do displace the 2m odd citizens of Gaza... and they wave the magic wand and rebuild it and it's this vibrant, fresh, new modern city wonderland... who do we think is living there? Or more specifically, what is the % chance that the Palestinians displaced are allowed back?

Anyone willing to say that the % chance of displaced Palestinians being allowed to go back to Gaza is higher than even 1%?
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Botman wrote: February 5, 2025, 1:04 pm Lets say hypothetically they do displace the 2m odd citizens of Gaza... and they wave the magic wand and rebuild it and it's this vibrant, fresh, new modern city wonderland... who do we think is living there? Or more specifically, what is the % chance that the Palestinians displaced are allowed back?

Anyone willing to say that the % chance of displaced Palestinians being allowed to go back to Gaza is higher than even 1%?
Even Trump said it won't be the Palestinians living there.

He's going to create somewhere "very nice" for the Palestinians to live in Egypt or Jordan or some other country.

Netanyahu honestly didn't even try to hide his smirk.
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Boomercm wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote: February 2, 2025, 5:30 am
Manbush wrote:
Dr Zaius wrote: February 1, 2025, 9:22 pm
Manbush wrote: I just hope they look at the data and speak to the experts if they do that I’ll be happy with whatever the outcome is unlike what they did with vaping which just drove people back to smoking and increased the black market, to be fair though there’s not the same financial incentives with this one.
I hope that they don't just assume that people who work in those clinics are expert just because they work there. Starting a service with no evidence base doesn't make you any expert.

I hope that they talk to people outside those clinics, like those clinicians pushed out of them for dissenting, and other clinicians who have long standing relationships with the families caught up in them.
I’m sure you weren’t implying that’s what I meant by experts, I was talking about people who have studied this stuff for years, doctors, scientists, psychiatrists. Also need to be careful of who is involved, no outright transphobes and no over the top trans activists for example.

I’d be hoping they can thoroughly analyse their books as part of it, talk to as many of the patients as possible, analyse things like if timeframes provided different ratios of satisfaction, the more in depth the better. I just hope they don’t go into it with an outcome (either way) already in mind, thankfully it’s not the LNP doing it otherwise I suspect the outcome would be predetermined.
I'm not saying that is what you meant, but it's generally the perception of the public that it anyone is an expert in the area, it's those working in the clinics. It's like asking cigarette companies to write a report on the benefits of the tobacco industry (well, maybe not that extreme but you get my point).

The problem is that these clinics label anyone who don't agree with them transphobes, so if the outcome goes against the clinics it's because transphobes were involved.
This is very true. The crazy thing for me is that you clearly recognise this in the area in which you are a specialist. And yet you are blind to the fact that this is a society wide issue, across almost every issue that touches on politics. Do you really think this means of ending a discussion (calling people transphobe) exists in this only one domain.

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Here’s the thing. Calling people that as a way to shut them down unfairly is problem. But that doesn’t mean it’s inherently a problem to call people those things - because some people deserve it.

When Zaius is labelling fascist behaviours fascist that’s perfectly logical. You’re free to explain how the behaviours aren’t fascistic.

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Mickey_Raider wrote: January 23, 2025, 8:50 am Wonder how many rolling in floor laughing emojis PNG raider will be producing on his next post here.

That post will presumably be jam packed with deflecting references to Hunter Biden, Hillary, Nancy Pelosi or other establishment democrats about whom no one gives a **** or is at best ambivalent.
Barely through the first page and already a mention in my absence 🙈 with the meltdown here (and presumably in the next pages) those particular emojis seem redundant. Nice of you to keep me around rent free though Mickman 🙏🏾 Been spending time with my boys for the school holidays so havent been keeping up with everything DJT. But, as for your hunter fishing. I think it's disengenuous to suggest that a president pardoning a his own son isn't a little suspect. As for those Jan6ers, I dont know. I really havent given it much thought to know the details. They served 4 (3?) years in prison. It's a lot longer than a lot of rioters in the past have so.. meh 🤷🏾‍♂️ watevs
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Dr Zaius wrote: January 25, 2025, 5:51 am Anthony Fauci was one of the calm voices of reason during the pandemic. He gave excellent leadership to both the US and the world. His recommendations were largely ignored by his President who then threw Dr Fauci under the bus and blamed Dr Fauci for his own mismanagement. False rumours were circulated that Fauci manufactured the pandemic to sell a vaccine, and the president did nothing to quash them. Instead of being beloved, a man that had devoted his life to public health became one of the most hated men in the country, almost entirely thanks to his President.

It says a lot that the outgoing President felt the need to provide security for Dr Fauci and his family. It says a lot that the outgoing President felt the need to pre-emptively pardon Dr Fauci to save him from the inevitable witch hunt from the vindictive tangerine menace. Now the Great Cheetoh has pulled Dr Fauci's security. I hope he and his family remain safe.

I hate this time line.
Must be part of the whole "cut government spending" fad
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Off wrote: January 26, 2025, 1:31 pm Great to see big numbers out on Australia day in Camden. Must be upsetting for the woke.

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Dr Zaius wrote: January 28, 2025, 8:35 am It appears Dutton is intent on being Trump Lite.
He doesn't have enough conviction to be even a Diet Trump. I'm not sure if those last two words of that sentence have been in the same room together.
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Dr Zaius wrote: January 31, 2025, 4:35 am
samvucago wrote: I’m not being facetious but can we agree that the executive order signed by the man you all despise in regards to this was a good thing and that it may lead to similar mandates the world over ??
I don't believe that his intent was to save the children or protect women, rather to cause division. But I agree that the outcome is a good thing.
Happy with that outcome as well. The surgery, the chemicals used on kids. Just common sense not to allow it.
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Manbush wrote: February 1, 2025, 7:10 pm
Botman wrote: February 1, 2025, 6:47 pm Its pretty wild that Kash Patel could actually flat out lie under oath and that's just kind of par for the course right now. But this is Trump's america, they wanted it and they're going to get it.
Next up Tulsi Gabbard **** show.
Saw some of the clips yesterday. Some hilarious comebacks. The irony is that the dems are going against Trumps two most (I assume at least) "diverse" picks 🙈
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Boomercm wrote: February 4, 2025, 8:17 pm There is one side in this that is screaming that Trumpelon is a dictatorship.

The alternate view is that they are bringing long overdue transparency and accountability to opaque govt agencies.

EDIT.

The unusual thing is that these guys are actually following through on their pre-election promises so effectively and swiftly.

EDIT

It's fascinating viewing. Buckle up.
After catching up on things here, I'm not sure what else people were expecting from DT. He campaigned on most of the things he's putting into action. He was voted in to do it. He's just doing what he set out to, and with the mandate of the American people. I mean.. 🤷🏾‍♂️
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Mickey_Raider wrote: February 5, 2025, 11:03 am Now all we do is wait for the troll clown car of samvucago, PNG, Boomercm et al to roll in and explain to us all why, in fact, ethnic cleansing is fine and everyone who disagree just has TDS.
It's a war. Hamas are terrorists. They've had plenty of time to surrender. Nothing but sorrow for the innocent lives lost. But Hamas should have surrendered to avoid all this. A shame they allowed people to be killed and country (Palestine is a country right?) Literally flattened (from the picture I just saw on news)
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samvucago wrote: February 5, 2025, 12:07 pm
Mickey_Raider wrote: February 5, 2025, 11:03 am Now all we do is wait for the troll clown car of samvucago, PNG, Boomercm et al to roll in and explain to us all why, in fact, ethnic cleansing is fine and everyone who disagree just has TDS.
So if anyone disagrees with YOUR views of the world you are either a troll, an idiot or a clown?? Amirite??
Standard operating procedure. My assumption is that this practice Helps them feel better about themselves, or better (altruistic?) than some random internet strangers.
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While we are on the topic. It actually brought me back to the thread. Watching ABC (can't remember if it was four corners or a special report) last night, the report suggested that seats in Western Sydney that were once Labor strongholds might be going to Independents in the upcoming election. The major policy issue being Australias stance on the Israel Hamas war 👀 No offence, but to think that voting someone into a seat in Australia is going to have any impact on the Israel Hamas war, is delusional (imo).
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PNGRaider37 wrote: February 5, 2025, 9:15 pm
Mickey_Raider wrote: February 5, 2025, 11:03 am Now all we do is wait for the troll clown car of samvucago, PNG, Boomercm et al to roll in and explain to us all why, in fact, ethnic cleansing is fine and everyone who disagree just has TDS.
It's a war. Hamas are terrorists. They've had plenty of time to surrender. Nothing but sorrow for the innocent lives lost. But Hamas should have surrendered to avoid all this. A shame they allowed people to be killed and country (Palestine is a country right?) Literally flattened (from the picture I just saw on news)
Trump talked about literal ethnic cleansing, as in check the Cambridge and it describes what Trump is proposing as ethnic cleansing, as a real estate opportunity.

Your trolling is getting sloppier and sloppier.
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