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Biden calling Trump supporters 'garbage' is a pretty stupid thing to do a week out from an election.
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Mr Squiggle wrote: October 30, 2024, 4:12 pm Biden calling Trump supporters 'garbage' is a pretty stupid thing to do a week out from an election.
He is back peddling on it now. Saying he was referring to something else. Fair enough as this is the same guy who referred to Zelensky as Putin plus countless other clangers. :lol:

Don't think too many people listen to sleepy Joe any more. His comment will only upset those who were already committed to voting Trump so no lost ground on that score.
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I reckon that Albo was calling Joyce for more than upgrades.
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This thread is like playing chess with a pigeon.

It knocks pieces everywhere, has no idea what's going on and ***** everywhere yet struts about like it won
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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dubby wrote: October 30, 2024, 6:32 pm This thread is like playing chess with a pigeon.

It knocks pieces everywhere, has no idea what's going on and ***** everywhere yet struts about like it won
Your best post in about three years.
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what the **** is this title change?
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Much more appropriate.

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Off wrote: October 30, 2024, 7:21 pm Much more appropriate.

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What'd I miss
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Mr Squiggle wrote:Biden calling Trump supporters 'garbage' is a pretty stupid thing to do a week out from an election.
Cry me a river.

At this point there is no reasonable justification for supporting Trump. Electing him sets America and the world backwards.
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Azza wrote: October 30, 2024, 7:04 pm
dubby wrote: October 30, 2024, 6:32 pm This thread is like playing chess with a pigeon.

It knocks pieces everywhere, has no idea what's going on and ***** everywhere yet struts about like it won
Your best post in about three years.
I'm honestly flattered you (or anyone) remembers 3 years of my posts!
The spiral of silence refers to the idea that when people fail to speak, the price of speaking rises. As the price to speak rises, still fewer speak out, which further causes the price to rise, so that fewer people yet will speak out, until a whole culture or nation is silenced. This is what happened in Germany.

If you do not speak, you are not being neutral, but are contributing to the success of the thing you refuse to name and condemn.
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I've said it before, but the ABC podcast "If you're listening" has a four part series called "America's Last Election" which is well worth a listen. It breaks down how the big lie evolved, how Republicans learnt from it, and how they are putting in place mechanisms that undermine the electoral process.
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dubby wrote: October 31, 2024, 7:02 am
Azza wrote: October 30, 2024, 7:04 pm
dubby wrote: October 30, 2024, 6:32 pm This thread is like playing chess with a pigeon.

It knocks pieces everywhere, has no idea what's going on and ***** everywhere yet struts about like it won
Your best post in about three years.
I'm honestly flattered you (or anyone) remembers 3 years of my posts!
TBH, I just asked ChatGPT.
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gangrenous wrote: October 31, 2024, 5:16 am
Mr Squiggle wrote:Biden calling Trump supporters 'garbage' is a pretty stupid thing to do a week out from an election.
Cry me a river.

At this point there is no reasonable justification for supporting Trump. Electing him sets America and the world backwards.
Not to mention Trump himself has engaged in stuff like that since the moment he stepped into the political world.
JD Vance going from saying people need to stop being so easily offended one day and then being extremely offended the next day is classic
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Dr Zaius wrote:I've said it before, but the ABC podcast "If you're listening" has a four part series called "America's Last Election" which is well worth a listen. It breaks down how the big lie evolved, how Republicans learnt from it, and how they are putting in place mechanisms that undermine the electoral process.
2 episodes in so far and it's been quite interesting

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gangrenous wrote:I’m with Nickman on this. I agree that the betting and polling articles stink of people sinking cash to swing the public sentiment and expectation and it’s working a treat.

But I expect that the votes will come in for Harris.

If it doesn’t well… the fact that it’s even close means I have little respect left for humanity as a collective to lose at this point…
I think that you are on to something here.

I was just told that if Trump doesn't win that it is a disgrace, citing Polybet and the betting margins as evidence. Went on to say "when Biden "won" the last election, Trump was $1.01" inferring that the people knew Trump was the winner, and it was rigged.
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Trump is already ramping up rhetoric of voter fraud/cheating in Pennsylvania
which suggests to me the GOP is thinking they're going to lose PA
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gangrenous wrote: October 29, 2024, 7:22 pm I’m with Nickman on this. I agree that the betting and polling articles stink of people sinking cash to swing the public sentiment and expectation and it’s working a treat.

But I expect that the votes will come in for Harris.

If it doesn’t well… the fact that it’s even close means I have little respect left for humanity as a collective to lose at this point…
Don’t you think it’s more of an indictment about the collective political systems the world over than about people’s humanity ??

IMO the system itself for electing politicians the world over is broken and that is why the Trumps of the world even get a look in because society’s are sick to their back teeth with essentially the major parties dictating who can and can’t become an “elected” official and by default vote for Trump or Moduro etc. as a big FU to established political parties. Read somewhere the other day that this is the first us election since 1976 without a Bush, Clinton or Biden on any ticket. Nearly 50 years with essentially 3 family names in power in the US and it woulda continued if the Weekend at Bernies President coulda kept his marbles together just a few more weeks.

Even in Canberra the Hare Clark system gives an enormous amount of power to someone like Rattenbury with bloody 3k 1st preference votes or something bloody rediculous. He gets to jam his stoopid agendas down a vast majority of households in our town with some absurdly small fraction of the vote.

Again IMO it’s the system itself for “electing” politicians that virtually needs a revolution the world over so that the silent majority can get people driving the bus for the collective betterment of the majority.

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Botman wrote: November 1, 2024, 11:22 am Trump is already ramping up rhetoric of voter fraud/cheating in Pennsylvania
which suggests to me the GOP is thinking they're going to lose PA
Interesting that they are because everything I’ve read points to win PA - win the election.
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No. I think it’s an indictment on human intelligence. Because you don’t fix the problem you raise by electing Trump.

You don’t get better government by voting in someone worse. I think the Republicans (and perhaps the LNP here…) know that this election or next the public will tire of the incumbents and put them back in regardless. Incentive is just to stick to the crap they want to do and before too long they’ll get to do it with no compromise or need to be better for the masses.

No, hold the line with the better party. Force the alternatives to actually be better for society to get back.

Then you will change it.
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Yeah nah
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samvucago wrote: November 1, 2024, 11:34 am
Botman wrote: November 1, 2024, 11:22 am Trump is already ramping up rhetoric of voter fraud/cheating in Pennsylvania
which suggests to me the GOP is thinking they're going to lose PA
Interesting that they are because everything I’ve read points to win PA - win the election.
Might well be the difference

Could just be the GOP trying to motivate and energise the base to get out and vote and counteract the "cheating" or it might be laying the seeds for a legal challenge to the result because they think they're going to lose it
We'll find out soon enough i guess!
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gangrenous wrote: November 1, 2024, 11:37 am No. I think it’s an indictment on human intelligence. Because you don’t fix the problem you raise by electing Trump.

You don’t get better government by voting in someone worse. I think the Republicans (and perhaps the LNP here…) know that this election or next the public will tire of the incumbents and put them back in regardless. Incentive is just to stick to the crap they want to do and before too long they’ll get to do it with no compromise or need to be better for the masses.

No, hold the line with the better party. Force the alternatives to actually be better for society to get back.

Then you will change it.
So the many millions of dumb dumb Republican voters you speak of are in fact just voting for the better party ??
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Strong argument
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As previously mentioned, I've found it very difficult to find objective analysis of the potential outcome. So many official and unofficial outlets have preconceptions which cloud the info they present. All they're doing is providing lessons in confirmation bias.

I have seen some political commentators from UK who may be more neutral than anyone. They've looked at polling and early votes to come up with multiple possible outcomes. Ultimately concluding that it's too close to call and will come down to one or two flip states.

From a betting perspective we have 1.53 Trump and 2.50 Harris. If the outcome is truly a coin flip then Harris is outstanding value. 6/4 on an even more ey chance is a bet you take any day.
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I'd say the Republicans will be very upset that peeps like Gangers and his ilk won't be engaging in the frivolity.

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How about how Off and his ilk openly support fascism but wet their bed over some flight upgrades a quarter of a century ago.
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After 2 attempts on his life in recent times Trumpster has upped the ante by wearing hi-vis.

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gangrenous wrote:No. I think it’s an indictment on human intelligence. Because you don’t fix the problem you raise by electing Trump.

You don’t get better government by voting in someone worse. I think the Republicans (and perhaps the LNP here…) know that this election or next the public will tire of the incumbents and put them back in regardless. Incentive is just to stick to the crap they want to do and before too long they’ll get to do it with no compromise or need to be better for the masses.

No, hold the line with the better party. Force the alternatives to actually be better for society to get back.

Then you will change it.
The Australian equivalent of what Sam is talking about would be electing Clive Palmer to lead our country. Thankfully the Australian public isn't so **** stupid to do that.

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The way the ridiculous media portrays it, some people genuinely believe it is a choice between Gandhi v Hitler. It's so silly and counter productive. People who aren't wedded to a tribe hate the Bull and hyperbole, irrespective of which side is spewing it.
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Pretending it’s not as easy a decision as that is the ridiculous part.

No one here is a Democrat and backing Kamala and anti-Trump out of tribalism.
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gangrenous wrote:Pretending it’s not as easy a decision as that is the ridiculous part.

No one here is a Democrat and backing Kamala and anti-Trump out of tribalism.
Precisely. Ignore the media and listen to what Trump has to say himself, then decide. His latest is that his political enemy should be put in front of a firing squad. His words, not some media fiction.
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Yeah , for effs sake the sane washing of
Trump has gone on far too long.

The man is a disgusting fascist who openly seeks to undermine democracy.

Having nothing but contempt for him is not some derangement syndrome based on nothing. It is directly from observing his behaviour over the last 9 years.

Ps he will lose. If MAGAs internals were looking good, they would not be already whingeing about vote rigging. The internals look bad, guaranteed.
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Hi all! I’m back from three days with no phone or internet access and it was GLORIOUS!

Now I need to check back in on the US election and see what’s happened the last few days. I see the odds have shifted back towards Harris since I left (she was 2.74 when I logged out on Wednesday, back down to 2.40 now).

What else have I missed?
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The Nickman wrote: November 2, 2024, 4:55 pm Hi all! I’m back from three days with no phone or internet access and it was GLORIOUS!

Now I need to check back in on the US election and see what’s happened the last few days. I see the odds have shifted back towards Harris since I left (she was 2.74 when I logged out on Wednesday, back down to 2.40 now).

What else have I missed?
Odds tumbled after I put my bet on Harris.
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