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samvucago wrote: October 8, 2024, 6:32 am
PNGRaider37 wrote: October 6, 2024, 1:19 pm Hey guys. How y'all been?

Just realised it's a month away from voting the US elections - still can't tell who's gonna win it, trump is still trump and kamala is well, no one really knows. So.. as you were..

Terrible what's happening to innocent people in the middle east. If only those coward terrorists had surrendered and handed over the hostages. Was always going to escalate and now its only going to get worse. Unfortunate casualties in Israels war on terror. But a sad reality of war 😕

Could have been avoided. If only a few more protests march could happen in Australia this month. That'll show em the way surely 🙃
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Mickey_Raider wrote: October 8, 2024, 6:47 am Doubt there will be much recriminations for obvious troll jobs.

PNG/BW has been busy over on the Broncos forum after the Kevvie fallout.
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Doc hasn't got ven us the betting update on the US Election for a while. I saw it's now Trump $1.80 Harris $2.00.

What's happened there? Natural disasters in lead up to an election normally favour the government in power. I was expecting Harris to shorten on the back of the recent hurricanes.
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Hey Dubs we throwing our support around that Payman, the voice of Australia she reckons

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More attacks on peacekeepers, hospitals, refugee camps, schools, apartment buildings.

Just another day in Netanyahu’s righteous, legal and proportionate war against the terrorists.
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Mickey_Raider wrote:More attacks on peacekeepers, hospitals, refugee camps, schools, apartment buildings.

Just another day in Netanyahu’s righteous, legal and proportionate war against the terrorists.
It’s being widely reported now that Netanyahu wants Trump to win.

Biden’s complete mismanagement of Netanyahu and the rogue Israeli state over the past twelve months is going to cost the Democrats the election.
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I think the Greens have really screwed up their tactics this political cycle.

They came through last election on a high picking up extra votes, but I don’t think that was really on the back of many people wanting them to govern. I think there was a lot of putting Labor in, but signalling they weren’t happy with the small target policies. Also a lot of just kicking the LNP out and voting elsewhere.

This cycle I think they had an opportunity to work more productively with Labor and shift the Overton window leftwards. I think that would have helped them continue to grow their base, and helped show them as a party more willing to get things done and be pragmatic.

Instead they seem to have largely been a pain. With polls moving things back to neck and neck the chances grow of a return to LNP. Even if that were not to happen the mainstream is moving the opposite way to what they need.

So yeah, they seem to have figured that to win more voters they had to differentiate themselves from Labor and really hammer any differences in their positions. I think they would have gone a whole heap better to largely support Labor where they agree, and said “good step in the right direction, but we would also have done this” and then sold those as their policies for this election.
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gangrenous wrote: October 14, 2024, 6:24 am I think the Greens have really screwed up their tactics this political cycle.

They came through last election on a high picking up extra votes, but I don’t think that was really on the back of many people wanting them to govern. I think there was a lot of putting Labor in, but signalling they weren’t happy with the small target policies. Also a lot of just kicking the LNP out and voting elsewhere.

This cycle I think they had an opportunity to work more productively with Labor and shift the Overton window leftwards. I think that would have helped them continue to grow their base, and helped show them as a party more willing to get things done and be pragmatic.

Instead they seem to have largely been a pain. With polls moving things back to neck and neck the chances grow of a return to LNP. Even if that were not to happen the mainstream is moving the opposite way to what they need.

So yeah, they seem to have figured that to win more voters they had to differentiate themselves from Labor and really hammer any differences in their positions. I think they would have gone a whole heap better to largely support Labor where they agree, and said “good step in the right direction, but we would also have done this” and then sold those as their policies for this election.
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I don’t give a **** about the Greens. Mainly observing that I think they had a good opportunity that they’ve totally botched.

I am disappointed that they didn’t do a better job in pulling the mainstream left.
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In todays update on Netanyahus righteous, proportionate and legal war against the baddies, Israel is now bombíng women, children and civilians sheltering in tents outside of a hospital in Gaza, burning them alive.

They are burning children alive.
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Mickey_Raider wrote: October 15, 2024, 8:38 am In todays update on Netanyahus righteous, proportionate and legal war against the baddies, Israel is now bombíng women, children and civilians sheltering in tents outside of a hospital in Gaza, burning them alive.

They are burning children alive.
Yeah, but those children are terrorists, Mickey.

I'm not sure how you don't understand this.
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The Nickman wrote: October 15, 2024, 9:25 am
Mickey_Raider wrote: October 15, 2024, 8:38 am In todays update on Netanyahus righteous, proportionate and legal war against the baddies, Israel is now bombíng women, children and civilians sheltering in tents outside of a hospital in Gaza, burning them alive.

They are burning children alive.
Yeah, but those children are terrorists, Mickey.

I'm not sure how you don't understand this.
Terrible. If only H@mas would surrender. Coward terrorists till the end.
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QLD election the last week brought up the abortion debate again 👀 Looks like they are taking a page outta the US playbook (Dems and MAGA), using fear tactics. It seems desperate (like kamalas crew) to focus on an issue that splits the woman vote to some degree. Desperate and pathetic if that's the Only policy stance they are banking on. I'm sure QLD women (adult human females) are smart enough to recognize this as an insult to their intelligence and vote on issues (in QLD) that Labour have failed on and if Liberal have a good enough plan to address them. Any reversal of the abortion laws in QLD would be politically unwise and a unnecessary hassle practically to reverse.
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Off wrote: October 10, 2024, 2:46 pm Hey Dubs we throwing our support around that Payman, the voice of Australia she reckons

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Off wrote: October 10, 2024, 2:46 pm Hey Dubs we throwing our support around that Payman, the voice of Australia she reckons

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Your being generous.

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Off wrote: October 15, 2024, 12:49 pm
PNGRaider37 wrote:
Off wrote: October 10, 2024, 2:46 pm Hey Dubs we throwing our support around that Payman, the voice of Australia she reckons

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Your being generous.

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I have to say, i got a real good laugh out of Albo mentioning how he grew up in housing commission for the 100000th time
Aside from it being a tired bit, mentioning that when being questioned about your purchase of 4.3m retirement home seems like a time where you should probably holster that particular bit :lol:
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Albo will go down in our bottom 5 PM's, and we've had some stinkers recently.
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I don't actually think he's done that bad a job... why is he seemingly so unpopular?

We've got our Queensland state election at the end of the month and I'll be voting Labor (same as last time), and next federal election I'll also be voting Labor unless something significant changes, but Albanese seems to be losing support on a monthly basis and I just can't understand why.
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Miles is gonna get torn a new one.
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There is a lot of noise around Albo and the government at the moment despite the fact macroeconomic conditions are trending nicely for a comfortable reelection in May next year.

Not sure if it is just that stage of the cycle where the natives are restless; a hangover from the referendum; anger over global issues like the ME; or the culmination of 25 years of housing speculation which has upended affordability or something else.

In any case, for all the salient issues of the day, whether it be cost of living, housing affordability or ME, I don’t think people will be rushing to the party who either helped create those issues or else has a more hardline stance on what is angering people.

More likely people will be turning to the Greens or independents much of which will flow back to Labor.

I do think we will see the continuation of the decline of the majors, such that majority governments become harder and harder to come by.
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Yeah a Mr Potato Head government doesn't really inspire confidence. A minority Labor government seems plausible.
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Northern Raider wrote: October 10, 2024, 2:21 pm Doc hasn't got ven us the betting update on the US Election for a while. I saw it's now Trump $1.80 Harris $2.00.

What's happened there? Natural disasters in lead up to an election normally favour the government in power. I was expecting Harris to shorten on the back of the recent hurricanes.
TAB

1.62 Trump

2:30 Harris

Hard to fathom how Trump is tightening.

He is **** on everyone including himself,literally went into a trance at a town hall q and a,leaves his supporters stranded 6 miles from their cars cause he doesn’t pay his bills and his price is firming.

Fishy
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I for one am both shocked and appalled that a politician would own property.

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mick63 wrote: October 16, 2024, 2:31 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 10, 2024, 2:21 pm Doc hasn't got ven us the betting update on the US Election for a while. I saw it's now Trump $1.80 Harris $2.00.

What's happened there? Natural disasters in lead up to an election normally favour the government in power. I was expecting Harris to shorten on the back of the recent hurricanes.
TAB

1.62 Trump

2:30 Harris

Hard to fathom how Trump is tightening.

He is **** on everyone including himself,literally went into a trance at a town hall q and a,leaves his supporters stranded 6 miles from their cars cause he doesn’t pay his bills and his price is firming.

Fishy
The betting market is not corresponding with the polling nor with some of the early voting data from PA.

I think there is a feeling that Trump will outperform the polls (based largely on 2016), the polls are tight and therefore Trump will win.
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mick63 wrote: October 16, 2024, 2:31 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 10, 2024, 2:21 pm Doc hasn't got ven us the betting update on the US Election for a while. I saw it's now Trump $1.80 Harris $2.00.

What's happened there? Natural disasters in lead up to an election normally favour the government in power. I was expecting Harris to shorten on the back of the recent hurricanes.
TAB

1.62 Trump

2:30 Harris

Hard to fathom how Trump is tightening.

He is **** on everyone including himself,literally went into a trance at a town hall q and a,leaves his supporters stranded 6 miles from their cars cause he doesn’t pay his bills and his price is firming.

Fishy
I don't think it's about Trump. Everyone knows what you're getting with him. Might be more Harris failing to win over the right people the longer the campaign goes.
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mick63 wrote: October 16, 2024, 2:31 pm
Northern Raider wrote: October 10, 2024, 2:21 pm Doc hasn't got ven us the betting update on the US Election for a while. I saw it's now Trump $1.80 Harris $2.00.

What's happened there? Natural disasters in lead up to an election normally favour the government in power. I was expecting Harris to shorten on the back of the recent hurricanes.
TAB

1.62 Trump

2:30 Harris

Hard to fathom how Trump is tightening.

He is **** on everyone including himself,literally went into a trance at a town hall q and a,leaves his supporters stranded 6 miles from their cars cause he doesn’t pay his bills and his price is firming.

Fishy
I'm not so sure why it's so hard to fathom. Every day that passes the Biden administration is getting more and more on the nose with the way they're handling the Middle East crisis, and it's turning people away in droves, particularly Arab Americans.

Having said that, I still marginally think that abortion will win the day for Harris and Walz, but I'm nowhere near as bullish as I was a few months ago just because of how hard they're trying to cook this.

This thing could absolutely go to the wire now, and it absolutely shouldn't have even been close.
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It doesn't matter what the polls say. Trump will win or Trump won't lose. Either way they're **** so bad that only WWIII can save them.
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I've become increasingly uneasy, and get the sense that Trump will win this. The polls are neck and neck in the swing states.

I disagree with Nick that this is about Israel. Americans don't generally care too much about foreign policy. In polling, the most important issues continue to be 1) The Economy/Cost of Living, 2) the border and a distant 3) Abortion.

I did listen to one guy say that Harris will win it easily. His rationale is that the polls only surveil "likely voters", which means voted in either the last Presidential or Mid-Term election. The polls there do not reflect those that have registered to vote since the last election, which predominantly favors Harris.
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Mickey_Raider wrote: October 16, 2024, 1:32 pm There is a lot of noise around Albo and the government at the moment despite the fact macroeconomic conditions are trending nicely for a comfortable reelection in May next year.

Not sure if it is just that stage of the cycle where the natives are restless; a hangover from the referendum; anger over global issues like the ME; or the culmination of 25 years of housing speculation which has upended affordability or something else.

In any case, for all the salient issues of the day, whether it be cost of living, housing affordability or ME, I don’t think people will be rushing to the party who either helped create those issues or else has a more hardline stance on what is angering people.

More likely people will be turning to the Greens or independents much of which will flow back to Labor.

I do think we will see the continuation of the decline of the majors, such that majority governments become harder and harder to come by.
Albo has been fine. He is my preferred PM from recent memory. It all comes down to The Spud's game plan. He is an effective opposition leader, like Abbott. Eternally negative, blocks everything, criticises everything. Only one policy offered, a half baked nuclear energy plan. Its a game plan designed to bring down a government rather than to win government, and its working, for now.

I'm not sure people will be heading to the Greens. I agree on Ganger's take. They've been nearly as bad as the Coalition. They could have been pragmatic and gradually moved the dial in their direction. Instead they've come across as spoilers, and are stifling progress.
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Trump in a canter.
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Azza wrote:Albo will go down in our bottom 5 PM's, and we've had some stinkers recently.
What makes you say that?
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Dr Zaius wrote: I disagree with Nick that this is about Israel. Americans don't generally care too much about foreign policy. In polling, the most important issues continue to be 1) The Economy/Cost of Living, 2) the border and a distant 3) Abortion.
Seems we’re in furious agreement today.

I don’t really get that there’s enough voters in America for whom it’s a deciding issue. Half of them couldn’t point to Israel on a map.

Feels more like an astroturfed issue to me.
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Dr Zaius wrote: October 16, 2024, 5:44 pm I've become increasingly uneasy, and get the sense that Trump will win this. The polls are neck and neck in the swing states.

I disagree with Nick that this is about Israel. Americans don't generally care too much about foreign policy. In polling, the most important issues continue to be 1) The Economy/Cost of Living, 2) the border and a distant 3) Abortion.

I did listen to one guy say that Harris will win it easily. His rationale is that the polls only surveil "likely voters", which means voted in either the last Presidential or Mid-Term election. The polls there do not reflect those that have registered to vote since the last election, which predominantly favors Harris.
I tend to think Harris will win, but a lot of that is just down to just thinking surely americans aren't so dumb as to put Trump back in after he very clearly attempted to not transition his power (even if those attempts ultimately never really came close to eventuating) but here we are, counting underweigh and it's a touch and go election.
Agree on Isreal, i've not seen anything to suggest it's an issue majorly impacting the election. As you say, americans dont typically give a **** about foriegn policy. Im sure there is an element that do, but it's never seen as a key issue on any polling i see about what voters care about.

But every measured podcast i listen to about this is saying the polls are incredibly tight and within the margain of error and likely we wont know the winner for weeks, pending republican chicanery on voter fraud claims etc maybe much longer

Strap in, it's going to be bumpy ride!
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