Storm not interested in releasing Tyran Wishart to Raiders

[greeneyed]

Wishart on wish lists

Expect Tyran Wishart to be a man in demand when he enters what could be the final year of his contract with Melbourne on November 1 - but that has not stopped clubs from asking the question earlier about his availability. It is understood the Raiders asked the Storm earlier this year if there was any chance they would consider releasing the utility before his deal expires.

Canberra had earmarked Wishart as a candidate to become their long-term starting hooker. However, the Storm responded with an emphatic no given Wishart has proven to be a valuable asset for Melbourne this year.

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The Storm have an option in their favour for 2026 too.

[Finchy]

I’m glad we’ve at least realised hooker is an issue we desperately need to improve, and actively trying to poach good players even under contract

[The Nickman]

I love how Bellamy continues to look after his good “mate” Rocky… instances like Curtis Scott and now this

[Seiffert82]

Why on earth would the Storm consider releasing him, unless the player was strongly agitating to be released?

Under the Nov 1 rule no club can (theoretically) currently present a formal offer to the player under contract.

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[Finchy]

Why on earth would the Storm consider releasing him, unless the player was strongly agitating to be released?

Under the Nov 1 rule no club can (theoretically) currently present a formal offer to the player under contract.

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Because he’s stuck behind Grant and Munster. They loaned Grant to the Tigers when Smith was there and were going to let him go if Smith didn’t retire. I think I read they’re also considering let Faalogo go if Papenhuyzen re-signs. Sometimes even if these young blokes are signed long-term, if their position is blocked clubs will let them walk

[RedRaider]

Why on earth would the Storm consider releasing him, unless the player was strongly agitating to be released?

Under the Nov 1 rule no club can (theoretically) currently present a formal offer to the player under contract.

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Because he’s stuck behind Grant and Munster. They loaned Grant to the Tigers when Smith was there and were going to let him go if Smith didn’t retire. I think I read they’re also considering let Faalogo go if Papenhuyzen re-signs. Sometimes even if these young blokes are signed long-term, if their position is blocked clubs will let them walk

Agree Finchy. He is stuck behind rep players for a starting FG spot at 6, 7 and 9 and that would not be the case in Canberra. He will turn 25 in November and may also be looking at a longer term contract. The question is: Will Bellamy do his 'good mate' Sticky a favor by releasing Wishart after he absolutely stiched Sticky up with the Curtis Scott offload. CB must still be chuckling about that one.

[deanoman]

Rods boy can play.

Would love to see him in green. Can’t see Storm competing when he’s off contract.

[The Nickman]

Why on earth would the Storm consider releasing him, unless the player was strongly agitating to be released?

Under the Nov 1 rule no club can (theoretically) currently present a formal offer to the player under contract.

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Because he’s stuck behind Grant and Munster. They loaned Grant to the Tigers when Smith was there and were going to let him go if Smith didn’t retire. I think I read they’re also considering let Faalogo go if Papenhuyzen re-signs. Sometimes even if these young blokes are signed long-term, if their position is blocked clubs will let them walk

Agree Finchy. He is stuck behind rep players for a starting FG spot at 6, 7 and 9 and that would not be the case in Canberra. He will turn 25 in November and may also be looking at a longer term contract. The question is: Will Bellamy do his 'good mate' Sticky a favor by releasing Wishart after he absolutely stiched Sticky up with the Curtis Scott offload. CB must still be chuckling about that one.

And the survey says… duh-derrr

[Seiffert82]

Why on earth would the Storm consider releasing him, unless the player was strongly agitating to be released?

Under the Nov 1 rule no club can (theoretically) currently present a formal offer to the player under contract.

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Because he’s stuck behind Grant and Munster. They loaned Grant to the Tigers when Smith was there and were going to let him go if Smith didn’t retire. I think I read they’re also considering let Faalogo go if Papenhuyzen re-signs. Sometimes even if these young blokes are signed long-term, if their position is blocked clubs will let them walk

Again...why on earth would the Storm consider releasing him, unless the player was strongly agitating to be released?

Which he isn't.

I'm not asking why he should be agitating for a release. That's up to Wishart.

I'm fairly sure his manager would be asking whether the Storm can give him a pay rise to stay.

[NoMan]

Other clubs find a way to get the dollar amount to the player. Of course Wishart would’ve agitated for a release for a 500k+ salary upgrade.

The Raiders seem to have asked the Storm instead.

[LimeGreenMachine]

Asking the Storm is the 1 part of the process.
Wishart will now be aware of our interest, more likely other clubs too.

Storm may even look at other options , what we could give them , they are a club that look to get something out of player deals.

If a fringe player stuck behind some class players will normally have their interest piqued if a starting position is on offer.
Time will tell how this plays out for us or anyone else

[Northern Raider]

Strong case to bring in the ramp.

[daley6]

Would 850 be enough to get him here ? We have offered Big money for Fifita and Stefano , but this guy wishart would definetly move the needle at 9 for us. We are overpaying promising kids now lets overpay one of the hottest talents that will go on the market on November 1 , 850 for 3 years , starting next year . He can Agitate for a release next year and hopefully they wont stand in his way for such an upgrade. Absolutely worth the gamble and we have the cash. Also we have to spend 90% plus of the salary cap per year anyway so money not the issue here

[dubby]

Geez $850k?

Not worth that much.

[Finchy]

Geez $850k?

Not worth that much.

Canberra tax. We have to pay overs. It would require $850k from us, $500k for literally anyone else.

[Rickmando]

Geez $850k?

Not worth that much.

Canberra tax. We have to pay overs. It would require $850k from us, $500k for literally anyone else.

*Ricky Stuart tax

Why would you leave the best coach in the game to come and play under one of the worst?

You’d need almost double the salary to consider it

[Finchy]

A valid point no doubt, but I still think Canberra itself is largely to blame. A new coach won’t change that. I’ve said we’d need to pay 2 million a year to even get someone like Joey Manu interested. We can’t compete with Sydney/QLD clubs or the elite system Melbourne has

[Rickmando]

A valid point no doubt, but I still think Canberra itself is largely to blame. A new coach won’t change that. I’ve said we’d need to pay 2 million a year to even get someone like Joey Manu interested. We can’t compete with Sydney/QLD clubs or the elite system Melbourne has

Possibly. But only one of those factors can theoretically change.

Canberra is what it is

[daley6]

Geez $850k?

Not worth that much.

But arent our unproven kids getting 500 and out of Fifita Stefano and Wishart , Wishart is the best option for us and cheaper than the other 2. I know a guy from Peno area where i live , whos best mate signed a deal end of last year for around 500k with the raiders. I said no way hes not in our top 30. But then it was announced he is in top 30. His name is something like Patuki-Case . Hes aforward who hasnt played 1st grade yet. So 850 surely is ok for Wishart

[BJ]

Even before Bellamy, a lot of Queensland players were keen to move to Melbourne. They’d talk about how great a city Melbourne is.

I wouldn’t have thought Queensland rugby league players were into good coffee, street art, black skivvy’s, souvlaki,……

[The Nickman]

I still personally, and have always, thought that using Canberra as a location as an excuse is just an absolute cop-out and just excuses poor coaching and systems.

EDIT: That's a fantastic sentence too, by the way. No edits required.

[Finchy]

I still personally, and have always, thought that using Canberra as a location as an excuse is just an absolute cop-out and just excuses poor coaching and systems.

EDIT: That's a fantastic sentence too, by the way. No edits required.

Can it be a combination of all 3? I’d argue the Tigers have poor coaching and poor systems (triple spooners) but manage to recruit plenty of good talent (Luai, Koroisau, Papalii, etc). Shirley Canberra as a location has SOME bearing on players not wanting to come here

[dubby]

I still personally, and have always, thought that using Canberra as a location as an excuse is just an absolute cop-out and just excuses poor coaching and systems.

EDIT: That's a fantastic sentence too, by the way. No edits required.

Your mate Botman would disagree. He has stated ad infinitum that getting young lads to the ACT is difficult. Not impossible, just difficult.

It has been that way since we entered the comp. We initially signed a lot of guys from rural areas, then went with Kingslanders, Kiwis, and Poms, now our approach is to go after youth (NSW U19s by the looks).

By your own admission, you don't like the cold, and many players probably don't like it either. Still, I'd rather live in Canberra than Townsville. That place is a dump.

[Bluesbrother]

I still personally, and have always, thought that using Canberra as a location as an excuse is just an absolute cop-out and just excuses poor coaching and systems.

EDIT: That's a fantastic sentence too, by the way. No edits required.

Can it be a combination of all 3? I’d argue the Tigers have poor coaching and poor systems (triple spooners) but manage to recruit plenty of good talent (Luai, Koroisau, Papalii, etc). Shirley Canberra as a location has SOME bearing on players not wanting to come here

I'd argue they haven't recruited that well. 3 spoons and no finals in a decade says so. Good recruits improve the club. I'm keen to see how they go next year with Luai though. For me 1.4 for him is just repeating the same mistakes.

[Finchy]

I still personally, and have always, thought that using Canberra as a location as an excuse is just an absolute cop-out and just excuses poor coaching and systems.

EDIT: That's a fantastic sentence too, by the way. No edits required.

Can it be a combination of all 3? I’d argue the Tigers have poor coaching and poor systems (triple spooners) but manage to recruit plenty of good talent (Luai, Koroisau, Papalii, etc). Shirley Canberra as a location has SOME bearing on players not wanting to come here

I'd argue they haven't recruited that well. 3 spoons and no finals in a decade says so. Good recruits improve the club. I'm keen to see how they go next year with Luai though. For me 1.4 for him is just repeating the same mistakes.

I dunno, I really think the club is just a basket case and it’s largely systems and coaching. They have plenty of talent (Api, Galvin, Bula, Fainu’s, etc). Look at Daine Laurie. He was crap there. Goes back to Penrith this year and looks great. Papalii will be the same.

[Billy Walker]

I still personally, and have always, thought that using Canberra as a location as an excuse is just an absolute cop-out and just excuses poor coaching and systems.

EDIT: That's a fantastic sentence too, by the way. No edits required.

Can it be a combination of all 3? I’d argue the Tigers have poor coaching and poor systems (triple spooners) but manage to recruit plenty of good talent (Luai, Koroisau, Papalii, etc). Shirley Canberra as a location has SOME bearing on players not wanting to come here

I'd argue they haven't recruited that well. 3 spoons and no finals in a decade says so. Good recruits improve the club. I'm keen to see how they go next year with Luai though. For me 1.4 for him is just repeating the same mistakes.

Tigers recruit excellent players, just 2 or 3 years after they ceased being excellent players.

[Finchy]

I still personally, and have always, thought that using Canberra as a location as an excuse is just an absolute cop-out and just excuses poor coaching and systems.

EDIT: That's a fantastic sentence too, by the way. No edits required.

Can it be a combination of all 3? I’d argue the Tigers have poor coaching and poor systems (triple spooners) but manage to recruit plenty of good talent (Luai, Koroisau, Papalii, etc). Shirley Canberra as a location has SOME bearing on players not wanting to come here

I'd argue they haven't recruited that well. 3 spoons and no finals in a decade says so. Good recruits improve the club. I'm keen to see how they go next year with Luai though. For me 1.4 for him is just repeating the same mistakes.

Tigers recruit excellent players, just 2 or 3 years after they ceased being excellent players.

Indeed. Koroisau, Luai, Papalii, all crap and not playing rep footy when they were recruited at all. Oh wait….

[Billy Walker]

I still personally, and have always, thought that using Canberra as a location as an excuse is just an absolute cop-out and just excuses poor coaching and systems.

EDIT: That's a fantastic sentence too, by the way. No edits required.

Can it be a combination of all 3? I’d argue the Tigers have poor coaching and poor systems (triple spooners) but manage to recruit plenty of good talent (Luai, Koroisau, Papalii, etc). Shirley Canberra as a location has SOME bearing on players not wanting to come here

I'd argue they haven't recruited that well. 3 spoons and no finals in a decade says so. Good recruits improve the club. I'm keen to see how they go next year with Luai though. For me 1.4 for him is just repeating the same mistakes.

Tigers recruit excellent players, just 2 or 3 years after they ceased being excellent players.

Indeed. Koroisau, Luai, Papalii, all crap and not playing rep footy when they were recruited at all. Oh wait….

Bateman, Klemmer, Seizer half a dozen wingers

[NoMan]

It's 100% the location that's the major issue. It's the worst for Canberra but not unique, players aren't moving out of state or even city often. Moves like Stefano to Melbourne are not common.

I don't know what more evidence you would need than the club saying it, other worse clubs not having the same problems, it not changing at all regardless of the clubs form, and it been ongoing for 30 years.

[The Nickman]

I still personally, and have always, thought that using Canberra as a location as an excuse is just an absolute cop-out and just excuses poor coaching and systems.

EDIT: That's a fantastic sentence too, by the way. No edits required.

Your mate Botman would disagree. He has stated ad infinitum that getting young lads to the ACT is difficult. Not impossible, just difficult.

It has been that way since we entered the comp. We initially signed a lot of guys from rural areas, then went with Kingslanders, Kiwis, and Poms, now our approach is to go after youth (NSW U19s by the looks).

By your own admission, you don't like the cold, and many players probably don't like it either. Still, I'd rather live in Canberra than Townsville. That place is a dump.

Yeah, but to be fair, my mate Botman is an absolute idiot, so I'm not sure his opinion holds THAT much weight in any discussion.

And my point still stands that two of the best teams I've seen play the game in the NRL era, the Panthers and the Storm, neither of them have relied on a heavy influx of talent, instead just relying on fantastic structures and systems, next man up stuff, that means every player has a role at all times and knows what he's meant to do... nothing that's remotely evident in a Rocky Stewart type set-up.

[Bluesbrother]

I still personally, and have always, thought that using Canberra as a location as an excuse is just an absolute cop-out and just excuses poor coaching and systems.

EDIT: That's a fantastic sentence too, by the way. No edits required.

Your mate Botman would disagree. He has stated ad infinitum that getting young lads to the ACT is difficult. Not impossible, just difficult.

It has been that way since we entered the comp. We initially signed a lot of guys from rural areas, then went with Kingslanders, Kiwis, and Poms, now our approach is to go after youth (NSW U19s by the looks).

By your own admission, you don't like the cold, and many players probably don't like it either. Still, I'd rather live in Canberra than Townsville. That place is a dump.

Yeah, but to be fair, my mate Botman is an absolute idiot, so I'm not sure his opinion holds THAT much weight in any discussion.

And my point still stands that two of the best teams I've seen play the game in the NRL era, the Panthers and the Storm, neither of them have relied on a heavy influx of talent, instead just relying on fantastic structures and systems, next man up stuff, that means every player has a role at all times and knows what he's meant to do... nothing that's remotely evident in a Rocky Stewart type set-up.

Good point. That's why we've recruited the best young talent and are building from the ground up.

[Seiffert82]

There are now a lot of similarities between our systems and those of Penrith and the Storm.

The ball was dropped a bit in the transition between the 2019-20 squad and now, in large part because Ricky was emotionally invested in his veteran players.

Now I see a very clear plan being executed, with very well defined expectations for most of the young guys coming through.

I appreciate many fans think it should have been managed differently and are frustrated (like I am) with some interesting selection processes, but I do see a clear strategy based almost entirely on junior development.

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[dubby]

I still personally, and have always, thought that using Canberra as a location as an excuse is just an absolute cop-out and just excuses poor coaching and systems.

EDIT: That's a fantastic sentence too, by the way. No edits required.

Your mate Botman would disagree. He has stated ad infinitum that getting young lads to the ACT is difficult. Not impossible, just difficult.

It has been that way since we entered the comp. We initially signed a lot of guys from rural areas, then went with Kingslanders, Kiwis, and Poms, now our approach is to go after youth (NSW U19s by the looks).

By your own admission, you don't like the cold, and many players probably don't like it either. Still, I'd rather live in Canberra than Townsville. That place is a dump.

Yeah, but to be fair, my mate Botman is an absolute idiot, so I'm not sure his opinion holds THAT much weight in any discussion.

And my point still stands that two of the best teams I've seen play the game in the NRL era, the Panthers and the Storm, neither of them have relied on a heavy influx of talent, instead just relying on fantastic structures and systems, next man up stuff, that means every player has a role at all times and knows what he's meant to do... nothing that's remotely evident in a Rocky Stewart type set-up.

Rubbish.

Penrith area is the biggest nursery in the game

[Mickey_Raider]

It is common knowledge that the Panthers players live in Penrith. Penrith is cold, not exactly regarded highly as a town, and nowhere near the beach. And yet they are going for a 4-peat this year.

No team has it as easy as the Roosters or the Broncos (lol) but as Nickman says, location is a cop out for poor coaching and systems.

If we build a culture of excellence, it at least gives us a fighting chance of competing on the open market. And that’s all we can do.

In wishart though. I see no reason why we wouldn’t be a chance of signing him. With an extra 250k and the promise of a starting berth, we would be a shot Id say.

Again, chances are enhanced if we can be seen to be a club going places rather than going in circles.

[NoMan]

The Panthers players live in Penrith because they grew up in the area and don’t want to leave. When they go they go to other western sydney clubs. Nothing like the Raiders scenario.

Even then, Penrith are able to recruit. The Raiders cannot recruit any NRL starting players. None.

Why is the Raiders standard for being able to recruit having to be the Storm or Penrith? Why not the Tigers?