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cat wrote: September 1, 2024, 10:24 pm
BJ wrote: September 1, 2024, 10:20 pm Geez Hors was getting called out a lot for offside or not square at marker that seemed inconsistent with other players today.
Refs have target players based on their tip sheet and his red hair makes himstand out
Todd Smith should have helped a red brother out
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Finchy wrote: September 1, 2024, 10:29 pm
cat wrote: September 1, 2024, 10:24 pm
BJ wrote: September 1, 2024, 10:20 pm Geez Hors was getting called out a lot for offside or not square at marker that seemed inconsistent with other players today.
Refs have target players based on their tip sheet and his red hair makes himstand out
Todd Smith should have helped a red brother out
He was , Robbo has red hair.......
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BJ wrote:Geez Hors was getting called out a lot for offside or not square at marker that seemed inconsistent with other players today.
It's infuriating. Hudson Young is another. The refs love to call Young off a tackle as soon as contact is made.

The Roosters strategically play to slow down the opposition and are willing to give away early set restarts to do so. It was obvious on TV...but nothing, they were called for nothing.

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Corey’s gone. I’d have him at 13 over Smithies any day of the week
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T-Raider wrote: September 4, 2024, 5:37 am Corey’s gone. I’d have him at 13 over Smithies any day of the week
Hors was very good on the weekend. It will be a shame to see him go, but as handy as it is, it would be worse keeping him if the attitude isn’t right. It’s a tough one!
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Billy hoping the Hors can join his Bronco herd on the cheap.

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EDIT. Double standards
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Got an example?
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T-Raider wrote: September 4, 2024, 10:59 am EDIT. Double standards
That's untrue, all the Rickheads know... that if we knew everything that happened behind the scenes, we'd all be pro Ricky!!
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New Tigers enforcer changes tune over running feud as Benji urged to recruit old foe

Tigers recruit Royce Hunt has urged the merger club to sign one of his old foes, Corey Horsburgh, following their public on-field and off-field stoush. During Round 3 of the 2023 season, Horsburgh held Hunt’s head in a scrum before a melee broke out, with the Sharks prop being sent to the sin bin for striking.

“I have never seen a front-rower hide behind a halfback... as Ricky Stuart would say, he’s a weak-gutted dog,” Hunt said.

In response, Horsburgh added fuel to the fire by posting a hilarious story to his Instagram account which read: “Really happy for my little boy watching Daddy score 2 tries”

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That baby photoshop is **** hilarious.
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cat wrote: September 1, 2024, 10:27 pm
Brew wrote: September 1, 2024, 10:05 pm Shame it can’t be sorted.

Having him and Tapine start with Pappa off the bench is a great rotation.


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After the last 2 weeks I'm leaning towards him staying . It can be sorted it's just up to how much Corey is prepared to put in especially off the field
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I suspect Horsburgh doesn't have a frikken clue what he wants to do, although I also suspect he doesn't have as many options as he might like.

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I’m certain we are about to witness some of this legendary man management any day now…
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He's now played 2 good games for us at NRL level this season. Big whoop! He had a good year in 2023 but apart from that his output has been a poor return on investment. At 26, if he can't pull his head in he will be just another guy who never achieved his potential. If he does that and stays here, great. If not, we're not losing a big contributor. We're losing a guy who plays a few games a year for us and has some potential but will likely never fulfil it.
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Corey just needs to go somewhere where his boss doesn’t have a 1950’s approach both to coaching football and interpersonal relationships.

We will see the best of Big Red somewhere else. It’ll look like a big mistake keeping Smithies and punting Horsburgh.
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Rickmando wrote: September 4, 2024, 9:22 pm Corey just needs to go somewhere where his boss doesn’t have a 1950’s approach both to coaching football and interpersonal relationships.

We will see the best of Big Red somewhere else. It’ll look like a big mistake keeping Smithies and punting Horsburgh.
to reframe it as the raiders had a choice between keeping hors or keeping smithies and went with smithies is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
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Raidernation wrote:
Rickmando wrote: September 4, 2024, 9:22 pm Corey just needs to go somewhere where his boss doesn’t have a 1950’s approach both to coaching football and interpersonal relationships.

We will see the best of Big Red somewhere else. It’ll look like a big mistake keeping Smithies and punting Horsburgh.
to reframe it as the raiders had a choice between keeping hors or keeping smithies and went with smithies is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
It may be a bit of a stretch. Horsburgh did play lock last year and did a fairly decent job of it, developing a link/passing game as the season went on. It's quite possible that recruiting Smithies (clearly to play that lock role) may have affected Horsburgh psychologically. Competition for spots is healthy but buying over the top of a good player, who had just recently debuted for Queensland is bound to ruffle a few feathers.

Quite a few on this forum have stated that it's a balancing act with our 'development strategy' that we need to be conscious and careful not to block the path of these young promising players so why is it okay to do it to Horsburgh?

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Raidernation wrote: September 4, 2024, 10:30 pm
Rickmando wrote: September 4, 2024, 9:22 pm Corey just needs to go somewhere where his boss doesn’t have a 1950’s approach both to coaching football and interpersonal relationships.

We will see the best of Big Red somewhere else. It’ll look like a big mistake keeping Smithies and punting Horsburgh.
to reframe it as the raiders had a choice between keeping hors or keeping smithies and went with smithies is a gross misrepresentation of the facts.
You’re taking it too literally.

I’m saying we will regret paying for Horsburgh to play good football for someone else in the coming years, whilst at the same time stubbornly persisting with a guy in Smithies who isn’t anywhere near as talented playing in that position.

Smithies has been a recruiting mistake. The worst thing you can do after making a mistake is compound it with others.
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It’s pretty obvious that Horse won’t be our 13 regardless if Smithies was there or not.

Even prior to his indiscretions this year, at the back end of last year I was calling for Horse to be starting front rower with Tapine with Papa off the bench. And wouldn’t you believe it, that’s exactly where he started the last two games.

This whole nonsense of buying over the top of a player like Horse is bullocks. It’s just not true. Defensively, we have looked 100 times better with him on the park playing in the front row.
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I’m not suggesting we bought over the top of Horse.

I’m talking about future years when we are watching Corey play elsewhere while we keep rolling out our plodder.
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Bluesbrother wrote: September 4, 2024, 8:45 pm He's now played 2 good games for us at NRL level this season. Big whoop! He had a good year in 2023 but apart from that his output has been a poor return on investment. At 26, if he can't pull his head in he will be just another guy who never achieved his potential. If he does that and stays here, great. If not, we're not losing a big contributor. We're losing a guy who plays a few games a year for us and has some potential but will likely never fulfil it.
Rickheads: “it’s not the coach’s fault - he doesn’t have the talent on the roster”

Also Rickheads: “let’s just let this talented guy walk out the door”
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Rickmando wrote:
Bluesbrother wrote: September 4, 2024, 8:45 pm He's now played 2 good games for us at NRL level this season. Big whoop! He had a good year in 2023 but apart from that his output has been a poor return on investment. At 26, if he can't pull his head in he will be just another guy who never achieved his potential. If he does that and stays here, great. If not, we're not losing a big contributor. We're losing a guy who plays a few games a year for us and has some potential but will likely never fulfil it.
Rickheads: “it’s not the coach’s fault - he doesn’t have the talent on the roster”

Also Rickheads: “let’s just let this talented guy walk out the door”
Rickheads: “results on the field have nothing to do with the coach, we just don’t have the cattle.”

Also Rickheads after we beat Penrith and the Roosters in consecutive weeks: “huh? What do you think of that, huh? Huh!?”

They don’t realise how ridiculous they look.
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Regs Revolution wrote:It’s pretty obvious that Horse won’t be our 13 regardless if Smithies was there or not.

Even prior to his indiscretions this year, at the back end of last year I was calling for Horse to be starting front rower with Tapine with Papa off the bench. And wouldn’t you believe it, that’s exactly where he started the last two games.

This whole nonsense of buying over the top of a player like Horse is bullocks. It’s just not true. Defensively, we have looked 100 times better with him on the park playing in the front row.
That's exactly how I thought we were looking moving forward, before Horsburgh cracked the **** and requested a release.

It's a real shame. He looked to mature quite a bit last season but clearly regressed this year. You'd like to think we can sort it out. My only hope is that Cory's manager has publicly implied his client needs to take some responsibility, which is not always the case with player managers.

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People bring up the Bellamy/NAS example but he's back in good shape, playing well and absolutely not wanting to leave the Storm and go to the Tigers on freight. Can people really not see the difference? It's not a small difference in how the two panned out. It's enormous
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Rickmando wrote:
Bluesbrother wrote: September 4, 2024, 8:45 pm He's now played 2 good games for us at NRL level this season. Big whoop! He had a good year in 2023 but apart from that his output has been a poor return on investment. At 26, if he can't pull his head in he will be just another guy who never achieved his potential. If he does that and stays here, great. If not, we're not losing a big contributor. We're losing a guy who plays a few games a year for us and has some potential but will likely never fulfil it.
Rickheads: “it’s not the coach’s fault - he doesn’t have the talent on the roster”

Also Rickheads: “let’s just let this talented guy walk out the door”
Rickheads: “results on the field have nothing to do with the coach, we just don’t have the cattle.”

Also Rickheads after we beat Penrith and the Roosters in consecutive weeks: “huh? What do you think of that, huh? Huh!?”

They don’t realise how ridiculous they look.
It's even better than that. They think it's incredible we won those games *despite* the poor roster. They have butterflies in their stomach right now
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Canberra Milk wrote:People bring up the Bellamy/NAS example but he's back in good shape, playing well and absolutely not wanting to leave the Storm and go to the Tigers on freight. Can people really not see the difference? It's not a small difference in how the two panned out. It's enormous
The Nickman wrote: September 5, 2024, 7:04 am
Rickmando wrote:
Bluesbrother wrote: September 4, 2024, 8:45 pm He's now played 2 good games for us at NRL level this season. Big whoop! He had a good year in 2023 but apart from that his output has been a poor return on investment. At 26, if he can't pull his head in he will be just another guy who never achieved his potential. If he does that and stays here, great. If not, we're not losing a big contributor. We're losing a guy who plays a few games a year for us and has some potential but will likely never fulfil it.
Rickheads: “it’s not the coach’s fault - he doesn’t have the talent on the roster”

Also Rickheads: “let’s just let this talented guy walk out the door”
Rickheads: “results on the field have nothing to do with the coach, we just don’t have the cattle.”

Also Rickheads after we beat Penrith and the Roosters in consecutive weeks: “huh? What do you think of that, huh? Huh!?”

They don’t realise how ridiculous they look.
It's even better than that. They think it's incredible we won those games *despite* the poor roster. They have butterflies in their stomach right now
And don’t they love “shoving it in our faces”?
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Rickmando wrote: September 5, 2024, 6:16 am I’m not suggesting we bought over the top of Horse.

I’m talking about future years when we are watching Corey play elsewhere while we keep rolling out our plodder.
I’m almost certain Ricky would want Horse to stay. That’s a no brainer.

But it’s a two way street of whether he would be the right fit for us. For me, he’s shown that in the last two games alone, not mentioning other efforts in the past. His determination and his passion. I would be advocating him to stay.
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Regs Revolution wrote:It’s pretty obvious that Horse won’t be our 13 regardless if Smithies was there or not.

Even prior to his indiscretions this year, at the back end of last year I was calling for Horse to be starting front rower with Tapine with Papa off the bench. And wouldn’t you believe it, that’s exactly where he started the last two games.

This whole nonsense of buying over the top of a player like Horse is bullocks. It’s just not true. Defensively, we have looked 100 times better with him on the park playing in the front row.
Which player is the better 13 and just generally speaking which is the better player? Smithies or Horsburgh? Like I've said elsewhere we should be selecting our best 13/17 players each week. It's quite possible that Horsburgh could play a temporary role in the prop rotation while Mooney and Mariota develop. What locks do we have coming through?

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gerg wrote: September 5, 2024, 9:35 am
Regs Revolution wrote:It’s pretty obvious that Horse won’t be our 13 regardless if Smithies was there or not.

Even prior to his indiscretions this year, at the back end of last year I was calling for Horse to be starting front rower with Tapine with Papa off the bench. And wouldn’t you believe it, that’s exactly where he started the last two games.

This whole nonsense of buying over the top of a player like Horse is bullocks. It’s just not true. Defensively, we have looked 100 times better with him on the park playing in the front row.
Which player is the better 13 and just generally speaking which is the better player? Smithies or Horsburgh? Like I've said elsewhere we should be selecting our best 13/17 players each week. It's quite possible that Horsburgh could play a temporary role in the prop rotation while Mooney and Mariota develop. What locks do we have coming through?

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Horse being unfit and having a poor off season; Horse headbutting and punching blokes because he has the emotional regulation of a 5 year old is entirely on him. It's professional sport and he needs to take responsibility and to carry himself professionally.

Rocky called it out as he should. The club has paid Horse lots of money this year and it's not acceptable what the return on that has been. Imagine in your own job if you carried on in a way that basically flipped off the boss and co-workers to their face. Clearly the senior players who do put in and expect the same basic professionalism of all their teammates have had their say and Rocky has backed them.

I hope they can work it out because at his best Horse is top shelf. (So were Dugan, Ferguson at their best etc) But to make this out like the issue is Rocky's and not Horse's immaturity/unprofessionalism, is just way off the mark imo.
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gerg wrote: September 5, 2024, 9:35 am
Regs Revolution wrote:It’s pretty obvious that Horse won’t be our 13 regardless if Smithies was there or not.

Even prior to his indiscretions this year, at the back end of last year I was calling for Horse to be starting front rower with Tapine with Papa off the bench. And wouldn’t you believe it, that’s exactly where he started the last two games.

This whole nonsense of buying over the top of a player like Horse is bullocks. It’s just not true. Defensively, we have looked 100 times better with him on the park playing in the front row.
Which player is the better 13 and just generally speaking which is the better player? Smithies or Horsburgh? Like I've said elsewhere we should be selecting our best 13/17 players each week. It's quite possible that Horsburgh could play a temporary role in the prop rotation while Mooney and Mariota develop. What locks do we have coming through?

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Of course Horse is the better 13, but if you have two 60 mins props that could be in the top echelon of props, that’s a great start.

I can ask the counter question, who’s the second best prop at the moment in our team? I can tell you now it’s Horse. Papa will always hold a special place in my loins, but Horse is better suited atm.

So I’m putting my best two props starting, which is Taps and Horse.

Now of course, he who shall not be named is obviously my first pick for 13. But as Julian mentioned, it’s just not happening.
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Old School Green wrote: September 5, 2024, 10:31 am Horse being unfit and having a poor off season; Horse headbutting and punching blokes because he has the emotional regulation of a 5 year old is entirely on him. It's professional sport and he needs to take responsibility and to carry himself professionally.

Rocky called it out as he should. The club has paid Horse lots of money this year and it's not acceptable what the return on that has been. Imagine in your own job if you carried on in a way that basically flipped off the boss and co-workers to their face. Clearly the senior players who do put in and expect the same basic professionalism of all their teammates have had their say and Rocky has backed them.

I hope they can work it out because at his best Horse is top shelf. (So were Dugan, Ferguson at their best etc) But to make this out like the issue is Rocky's and not Horse's immaturity/unprofessionalism, is just way off the mark imo.
I’m not suggesting it’s Rick’s fault alone. It always takes two to tango.

But, he is the boss - and he’s told us many times over that he’s very good at these soft skills of man management - so the buck stops with him. If Horse is in the best 13 players at the club (and he is), then the boss shouldn’t be moving him on, he should be finding a way to make it work (or not have let the situation break down to the point it has).

It should be noted that all of these things were in Horse’s profile when we recruited him. He hasn’t suddenly developed these personality characteristics.
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Rickmando wrote: September 5, 2024, 6:22 am
Bluesbrother wrote: September 4, 2024, 8:45 pm He's now played 2 good games for us at NRL level this season. Big whoop! He had a good year in 2023 but apart from that his output has been a poor return on investment. At 26, if he can't pull his head in he will be just another guy who never achieved his potential. If he does that and stays here, great. If not, we're not losing a big contributor. We're losing a guy who plays a few games a year for us and has some potential but will likely never fulfil it.
Rickheads: “it’s not the coach’s fault - he doesn’t have the talent on the roster”

Also Rickheads: “let’s just let this talented guy walk out the door”
This is typical of you Rickmando. You can't be pleased whatever the arguments are and whatever happens. But yes, continue with the logic. We should sacrifice our standards of behaviour for a bloke who has played 2 good games for us all year. That's gone well for souths and Latrell and he is 1000 times the player that Hors is.

The Nickman - Can you honestly say we're a team with an elite roster? The wins against Penrith and the Roosters were as much their doing as ours. If they turn up and play to their potential is a flogging in their favour.
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Bluesbrother wrote: September 5, 2024, 12:10 pm
Rickmando wrote: September 5, 2024, 6:22 am
Bluesbrother wrote: September 4, 2024, 8:45 pm He's now played 2 good games for us at NRL level this season. Big whoop! He had a good year in 2023 but apart from that his output has been a poor return on investment. At 26, if he can't pull his head in he will be just another guy who never achieved his potential. If he does that and stays here, great. If not, we're not losing a big contributor. We're losing a guy who plays a few games a year for us and has some potential but will likely never fulfil it.
Rickheads: “it’s not the coach’s fault - he doesn’t have the talent on the roster”

Also Rickheads: “let’s just let this talented guy walk out the door”
This is typical of you Rickmando. You can't be pleased whatever the arguments are and whatever happens. But yes, continue with the logic. We should sacrifice our standards of behaviour for a bloke who has played 2 good games for us all year. That's gone well for souths and Latrell and he is 1000 times the player that Hors is.

The Nickman - Can you honestly say we're a team with an elite roster? The wins against Penrith and the Roosters were as much their doing as ours. If they turn up and play to their potential is a flogging in their favour.
No, I don't think we're an elite roster, but the coach has been there 11 years. The roster is ENTIRELY of his making.

And do I think he coaches and executes a system that brings out the best in his players and allows them to develop into elite players? No, I absolutely don't think that either.

In fact quite the opposite.
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Look, I’m thrilled we beat Penrith and Sydney the past 2 weeks, but does anyone think if we played both teams another 10 times that we’d realistically beat them again? I think we’d lose the majority of the time
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