The Politics Thread 2024

[Dr Zaius]

And you can **** right off with your boomer comment. Between millennials and Boomers there is a generation that thinks that they are both a bunch of entitled *****.

[gangrenous]

Seems like a whole lot of fuss for something that realistically isn't going to make a squat of difference to people living in Gaza.

They're not just protesting the war itself, they're also protesting their own university's divestment of their tuition in companies that invest in weapons manufacturing for the Israeli military, and they want an increase in transparency about its assets, to sever ties with Israeli universities, as well as (obviously) calling for an immediate and permanent ceasefire in Gaza.

Personally, I think they're well within their rights to protest their own money being used to fund the war. The whole "why even bother" argument doesn't hold up particularly well in the face of any protest throughout history.

I don't entirely understand but wouldn't it be better for them to protest with their feet? As in finding a different university that doesn't channel money like they are claiming. If for example McDonald's was doing something you didn't like, you wouldn't go and buy their product and then protest in the carpark between mouthfuls of big mac.

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Sure because it’s real easy to transfer partially completed degrees and uproot your life.

Let’s be real. A conversation asking the university to divest is a far more reasonable first step.

I don't know how easy it is to transfer but this isn't a new conflict. Unless the university has only recently started to financially support Israel?

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You don’t think things have changed significantly in Israel recently that plays a large part?

[gangrenous]

You’re officially old Doc.

You’ve reached the point of jaded where you abandon hope of change because it might not work and it’s hard.

By all means switch goalposts and go for critiquing the way they’re protesting instead. But looking down on protests generally because it’s hard to see the direct impact? That’s when you’ve reached sad old boomer status.

I've not switched the goal posts. Their protest is disruptive and intimating to people who have no role in the problem. It is spreading hate speech. I'd be all for the former if it was to achieve something but it won't, and I'll support peaceful protest but as I've consistently said, the ends in this case are doesn't justify the means.

Ok, just didn’t read that way originally since Nickman was telling you what they were protesting and the early responses didn’t speak to that aspect. Came across as against the concept more than the specific actions.

Gen X is Boomer-lite. If it quacks like a Boomer…

[gerg]

They're not just protesting the war itself, they're also protesting their own university's divestment of their tuition in companies that invest in weapons manufacturing for the Israeli military, and they want an increase in transparency about its assets, to sever ties with Israeli universities, as well as (obviously) calling for an immediate and permanent ceasefire in Gaza.

Personally, I think they're well within their rights to protest their own money being used to fund the war. The whole "why even bother" argument doesn't hold up particularly well in the face of any protest throughout history.

I don't entirely understand but wouldn't it be better for them to protest with their feet? As in finding a different university that doesn't channel money like they are claiming. If for example McDonald's was doing something you didn't like, you wouldn't go and buy their product and then protest in the carpark between mouthfuls of big mac.

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Sure because it’s real easy to transfer partially completed degrees and uproot your life.

Let’s be real. A conversation asking the university to divest is a far more reasonable first step.

I don't know how easy it is to transfer but this isn't a new conflict. Unless the university has only recently started to financially support Israel?

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You don’t think things have changed significantly in Israel recently that plays a large part?

No doubt it's escalated but it's been going on for a long time. I don't want to trigger your poor generational sensitivities (tongue in cheek) but as a kid I remember seeing on the news them fighting almost daily, and that was 40 years ago.

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[gangrenous]

I don't want to trigger your poor generational sensitivities (tongue in cheek)

On the point though. Pretty reasonable that 20 year olds wouldn’t likely have had much awareness to this point.

[gerg]

I don't want to trigger your poor generational sensitivities (tongue in cheek)

On the point though. Pretty reasonable that 20 year olds wouldn’t likely have had much awareness to this point.

Yes, very true gangers. Nothing happened in the world prior to millennials coming along.

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[gangrenous]

That’s not even close to what I’m saying Gerg?

I’m saying show me an 18 year old who is well versed in geopolitical history. There’s like 10 of them, and most of them are no fun.

It’s very likely that recent events triggered some of these students to actually become aware of the situation for the first time.

Plus they wouldn’t go to any institution probably if the checklist to decide went as far as the minutiae of their investment portfolio.

Finally, hate to break it to you but this crew is Gen Z!

[papabear]

You’re officially old Doc.

You’ve reached the point of jaded where you abandon hope of change because it might not work and it’s hard.

By all means switch goalposts and go for critiquing the way they’re protesting instead. But looking down on protests generally because it’s hard to see the direct impact? That’s when you’ve reached sad old boomer status.

I see why Dr Zaius was triggered.

I do not see why the bolded was necessary at all.

It just comes across as lacking any social grace whatsoever. Again, you can continue making your point about protestors fighting the good fight without personal insults. It feels that this personal insult issue is coming up more and more when it doesn't need to.

re reading the post I think I was a touch kind, there were two sentences which were relevant and three sentences which were just insults.

It isn't good enough. You have posted here for long enough to know how to post with a bit of decency.

[The Nickman]

To be fair though, Doctor Zaius DOES resemble a sad old boomer more and more everytime I catch up with him for a beer.

[papabear]

Perhaps but your opinion in bromance and love is different to someone weaponising it unnecessarily making their about the man and not the ball.

[The Nickman]

Honestly, I have to say your sudden "It's not fair, stop calling people mean things" is an interesting and invigorating new shtick, papa.

[Dr Zaius]

I appreciate your support papa, though I'm not sure that I was triggered. Gangrenous not doing anything to dispell stereotypes about millennials.

[The Nickman]

I appreciate your support papa, though I'm not sure that I was triggered. Gangrenous not doing anything to dispell stereotypes about millennials.

Alright, alright, stop yelling at everyone.

[gangrenous]

You’re officially old Doc.

You’ve reached the point of jaded where you abandon hope of change because it might not work and it’s hard.

By all means switch goalposts and go for critiquing the way they’re protesting instead. But looking down on protests generally because it’s hard to see the direct impact? That’s when you’ve reached sad old boomer status.

I see why Dr Zaius was triggered.

I do not see why the bolded was necessary at all.

It just comes across as lacking any social grace whatsoever. Again, you can continue making your point about protestors fighting the good fight without personal insults. It feels that this personal insult issue is coming up more and more when it doesn't need to.

re reading the post I think I was a touch kind, there were two sentences which were relevant and three sentences which were just insults.

It isn't good enough. You have posted here for long enough to know how to post with a bit of decency.

In the subsequent post Zaius clarified that he’s against the method more than the protesting in itself. I’d interpreted it more heavily on the against protesting because it wouldn’t achieve anything side from my reading of his posts.

If someone is against protesting because it might not bring the change you want directly - I stand by what I said. If you’re giving up on that then I think you have surrendered the ideology of youth. Stereotypically speaking.

I’d like to think I have posted here long enough that people know when I mean offence. When I call someone a Boomer it’s just lazily referencing the stereotypical mindset associated with the generation. I’m not sure I see the heinous slur here any more than I am hurt when someone says I’m a needy Millenial who wants a participation trophy and eats too much avo toast… I mean I’m going to call them an idiot and disagree with them, but I’m not offended.

[Dr Zaius]

Supporters forum? More like bag out the Boomers forum

[The Nickman]

Won’t somebody think of the papabears?

[gangrenous]

I appreciate your support papa, though I'm not sure that I was triggered. Gangrenous not doing anything to dispell stereotypes about millennials.

[papabear]

Won’t somebody think of the papabears?

:p


Ftr I am < 40

I just want us to hold hands hand over flowers and discuss politics civilly at the unisex club

[gangrenous]

Ftr I am < 40

Typical Boomer

[Botman]

So Trump now ineligible to vote for who should be president but eligible to be president.

And as absurd as it sounds it feels like the conviction might actually help him

[The Nickman]

Nothing will actually hurt him. He could walk down the street shooting people and it would only further strengthen his cause.

[reptar]

Nothing will actually hurt him. He could walk down the street shooting people and it would only further strengthen his cause.

Possibly one of the truest things he said.

[yeh raiders]

So Trump now ineligible to vote for who should be president but eligible to be president.

And as absurd as it sounds it feels like the conviction might actually help him

Incredible

[T_R]

So Trump now ineligible to vote for who should be president but eligible to be president.

And as absurd as it sounds it feels like the conviction might actually help him

Incredible

Also, entirely wrong.

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[Dr Zaius]

Absolutely unbelievable

[reptar]

Ludicrous

[zim]

Strike 2 against the criminal. Well it's not really 2 it's more like 48. But when he reads this one day oh boy is he going to get flustered.

[Dr Zaius]

Nothing will actually hurt him. He could walk down the street shooting people and it would only further strengthen his cause.

His support base is rusted on. The question is whether this will mobilise those who were going to sit it out that don't want a convicted felon as president.

[The Nickman]

Nothing will actually hurt him. He could walk down the street shooting people and it would only further strengthen his cause.

His support base is rusted on. The question is whether this will mobilise those who were going to sit it out that don't want a convicted felon as president.

The amount of people who aren’t going to vote for Biden this time around is concerning though

A lot of people mobilised last time around to vote against Trump, this time around, a lot of them won’t vote for Biden

I don’t think we’ll see the record voter turnout like we did four years ago, which will help Trump

[gangrenous]

The sentiment seems to be a lot of people abstaining because of what’s going on in the Middle East. Who knows whether that’s legitimate, or whether that’s the tactic that the Republican bot farm is astroturfing thinking that’s their best strategy to suppress voter turnout by convincing people that voting for either is evil so they’re best to abstain…

[Dr Zaius]

You'd think that they'd be able to put their thoughts on Palestine to the side and get put to vote to stop a criminal being elected president.

I don't understand how a man who had an affair with a porn star, then paid hush money to said porn star to influence the election result, then committed fraud in covering up the hush money, has such a strong Christian base. He is the antithesis of Christ's teachings. What a bunch of hypocrites.

[Mickey_Raider]

I think Biden will win.

It feels like the most trite hottake of all time to hear people shake their head and opine with an air of incredulity that Trump will win, the times we live in, can’t believe Americans etc.

Probably a line ball proposition prior to the conviction. But I am quite sure there are a measly few % of voters who would have voted for Trump but this is a bridge too far.

And I think that’s all it will take.

[gerg]

I think they need to take a good look at their election processes. Turning their country into a circus for 12 months each election cycle is ridiculous, especially when you have such a divisive candidate. It's tearing their country apart.

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[-TW-]

Either way theyre ****

He wins, they're ****
He loses, his supporter base mobilises and civil war breaks out, and they're ****

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[Dr Zaius]

Either way theyre ****

He wins, they're ****
He loses, his supporter base mobilises and civil war breaks out, and they're ****

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Civil unrest, yes. Civil war, no.

Either way, I wouldn't be planning a trip to the US between November and February.