Corey Harawira Naera’s career remains in limbo

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Billy Walker wrote: April 24, 2024, 5:21 pm
greeneyed wrote: April 24, 2024, 5:05 pm The bottom line is that CHN is going to be entitled to a full pay out of his contract if medically retired. He is well within his rights to try and get back on the field. If CHN is medically retired, the Raiders will be entitled to full salary cap relief from the time of the incident. It is in neither parties’ interests to try and find some sort of a negotiated payout, it’s so far fetched it’s downright ridiculous for anyone to keep suggesting it. The process will play out.

The Raiders are handling this perfectly and acting admirably. My goodness there’d be some awful reputational damage for the club with players and public alike if they were to try and do anything else.


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GE - can I ask you the same question I asked Finchy. Would you be ok with an outcome where CHN takes the entire time remaining on his contract to exhaust all options to try to return?
Asking GE if he would be OK with an outcome that is in all likelihood not going to happen is a pointless question.
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The Nickman wrote: April 24, 2024, 4:26 pm cat, do you understand what happens "in the real world" if you get injured at work and can't fulfil your duties?
Yes I do , the insurance company will want evidence the "injury " was caused by the job.
Having a seizure/medical episode due to a pre existing/none job related condition at the workplace doesn't give you workers compensation

There has been a number of staff have medical episodes in my work place where ambulances were called none of them were given workers compensation

This is not a work related illness/injury

He was actually fortunate that it occurred "at work" as it could have happened just as easily at home where there was no doctor available to help

In the real world he would be on leave without pay
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Cat… it won’t come to that. There are medical processes in train and we have to be patient that those who have the appropriate information (which none of us have, appropriately) will work it through in a respectful way for all the parties. We certainly don’t know Corey’s episode is the result of a pre existing condition.

This is professional sport, it’s not an everyday situation, there are contractual obligations in place that have to be honoured. Not only legal issues, but insurance issues too - and those need to be settled by those with the information to do so.
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cat wrote:
The Nickman wrote: April 24, 2024, 4:26 pm cat, do you understand what happens "in the real world" if you get injured at work and can't fulfil your duties?
Yes I do , the insurance company will want evidence the "injury " was caused by the job.
Having a seizure/medical episode due to a pre existing/none job related condition at the workplace doesn't give you workers compensation

There has been a number of staff have medical episodes in my work place where ambulances were called none of them were given workers compensation

This is not a work related illness/injury

He was actually fortunate that it occurred "at work" as it could have happened just as easily at home where there was no doctor available to help

In the real world he would be on leave without pay
How do you know it was pre existing?

How do you know those people still aren't fighting for workers compensation?

All I'm seeing from you is someone with an agenda against this guy, as you've presented the whole time he's played for the club

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Canberra Milk wrote: April 24, 2024, 5:29 pm I suspect the club would want the medical retirement paid by some sort of insurance, and the insurance would be in the habit of requiring clear medical evidence that he can no longer play.

In the case of CHN and a seemingly random seizure, that might be hard to obtain
The issue of having a defibrillator inserted will probably play a part there.
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cat wrote:
The Nickman wrote: April 24, 2024, 4:26 pm cat, do you understand what happens "in the real world" if you get injured at work and can't fulfil your duties?
Yes I do , the insurance company will want evidence the "injury " was caused by the job.
Having a seizure/medical episode due to a pre existing/none job related condition at the workplace doesn't give you workers compensation

There has been a number of staff have medical episodes in my work place where ambulances were called none of them were given workers compensation

This is not a work related illness/injury

He was actually fortunate that it occurred "at work" as it could have happened just as easily at home where there was no doctor available to help

In the real world he would be on leave without pay
Yes, that is possible.

Funnily enough, NRL players do actually have sick leave entitlements (most recently reported in the Jackson Topine story).

In this case I suspect the club is doing the right thing by CHN, perhaps in large part as a publicity exercise to show how the club treats it's players.

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cat wrote: April 24, 2024, 5:58 pm
The Nickman wrote: April 24, 2024, 4:26 pm cat, do you understand what happens "in the real world" if you get injured at work and can't fulfil your duties?
Yes I do , the insurance company will want evidence the "injury " was caused by the job.
Having a seizure/medical episode due to a pre existing/none job related condition at the workplace doesn't give you workers compensation

There has been a number of staff have medical episodes in my work place where ambulances were called none of them were given workers compensation

This is not a work related illness/injury

He was actually fortunate that it occurred "at work" as it could have happened just as easily at home where there was no doctor available to help

In the real world he would be on leave without pay
None of us work in environments where our bodies are subject to constant and repetitious impact which has been proven to be equivalent to that of being in a car accident at speed.

Just because it hasn’t happened before does not mean it is not “work” related and I would take a guess that the RLPA who will represent Corey (if need be) will be requesting studies from the NRL which state that high impact collisions do NOT cause seizures. Which they obviously don’t have at this point.

The Raiders are doing the right thing by their employee and Corey is fully entitled to not be out of pocket for his current contract and perhaps beyond that if it is found to be a permanent condition that he has suffered in the course of his employment as a rugby league player.
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Seiffert82 wrote: April 27, 2024, 9:57 am
cat wrote:
The Nickman wrote: April 24, 2024, 4:26 pm cat, do you understand what happens "in the real world" if you get injured at work and can't fulfil your duties?
Yes I do , the insurance company will want evidence the "injury " was caused by the job.
Having a seizure/medical episode due to a pre existing/none job related condition at the workplace doesn't give you workers compensation

There has been a number of staff have medical episodes in my work place where ambulances were called none of them were given workers compensation

This is not a work related illness/injury

He was actually fortunate that it occurred "at work" as it could have happened just as easily at home where there was no doctor available to help

In the real world he would be on leave without pay
Yes, that is possible.

Funnily enough, NRL players do actually have sick leave entitlements (most recently reported in the Jackson Topine story).

In this case I suspect the club is doing the right thing by CHN, perhaps in large part as a publicity exercise to show how the club treats it's players.

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Does anyone know if the NRL “insurance” policy is a workers comp type policy or more of a personal insurance policy. Workers comp requires the injury to work related. Where as the personal policy is simply you are unable to preform your job due to accident/illness independent of how and where.
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No updates?
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Billy Walker wrote: May 10, 2024, 6:06 pm No updates?
No. Hope this helps.
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Finchy wrote: May 10, 2024, 6:53 pm
Billy Walker wrote: May 10, 2024, 6:06 pm No updates?
No. Hope this helps.
Sadly it doesn’t, we continue on with our 29 man squad I guess
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The recent article in the Canberra times says that if all the rumoured signings are confirmed, we'll have one spot left on our roster to fill. Does anyone know if that assumes CHN is still on our books? Can someone also confirm who from our current squad is unsigned? I got the feeling that they are still looking externally. Presumably that means some players won't be resigned
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Finchy wrote:
Billy Walker wrote: May 10, 2024, 6:06 pm No updates?
No. Hope this helps.
God this is getting tedious, stop responding to him
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FROG wrote: May 30, 2024, 6:27 am The recent article in the Canberra times says that if all the rumoured signings are confirmed, we'll have one spot left on our roster to fill. Does anyone know if that assumes CHN is still on our books? Can someone also confirm who from our current squad is unsigned? I got the feeling that they are still looking externally. Presumably that means some players won't be resigned
Yes, it would count him.

Still unsigned are Rapana, Cotric, Woolford, Hola, Puru (mutual option).
Confirmed departures are Whitehead and Schiller.
Likely Additions are Asomua, Patuki-case, Nicholson, Sanders, Martin, Tamale.

So that is 1 spot from my count. Honestly it doesn't make much difference these days with no top 30 restrictions on playing.
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FROG wrote: May 30, 2024, 6:27 am The recent article in the Canberra times says that if all the rumoured signings are confirmed, we'll have one spot left on our roster to fill. Does anyone know if that assumes CHN is still on our books? Can someone also confirm who from our current squad is unsigned? I got the feeling that they are still looking externally. Presumably that means some players won't be resigned
This is the list of currently contracted players: viewtopic.php?p=115470#p115470

CHN is on the books, top 30 unless there’s a medical retirement.

These are the players off contract.

Nick Cotric - end 2024 - reportedly club looking to extend
Peter Hola - end 2024
Trey Mooney - end 2024 - reportedly terms agreed for extension
Hohepa Puru - end 2024, mutual option 2025
Jordan Rapana - end 2024 - reportedly the possibility of extension left open
James Schiller - end 2024 - signing with Newcastle Knights for 2025 confirmed
Elliott Whitehead - end 2024 - reportedly the possibility of extension left open, seems unlikely
Zac Woolford - end 2024

Supplementary list

Jordan Martin - end 2024
Adrian Trevilyan - end 2024

These players on the supplementary list will join the top 30 in 2025.

Michael Asomua - end 2026, joins top 30 in 2025
Vena Patuki-Case - end 2025 (top 30 from 2025)

I’m not sure how The Canberra Times thinks there’s one top 30 spot open for 2025. There’s a lot of moving parts there. Players now being signed might not go into the top 30 right now. I’d say Hola and Woolford are unlikely to be re-signed, probably also Rapana and Whitehead, given the signings of Nicholson and Tamale. Schiller is gone. That’d be five leaving. Martin and Trevilyan might not be re-signed, but they’re already outside the top 30.

Likely/still unofficial signings

Ethan Sanders - end 2027
Matty Nicholson- end 2027
Savelio Tamale - end 2026
Myles Martin - end 2027
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The Nickman wrote: May 30, 2024, 6:44 am
Finchy wrote:
Billy Walker wrote: May 10, 2024, 6:06 pm No updates?
No. Hope this helps.
God this is getting tedious, stop responding to him
To be fair that was 3 weeks ago
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Point still stands.
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Seems to be a bit of noise about players moving on next year - whitehead, guler, cotric. Do we think CHN is a chance to be back playing or maybe going into early retirement? There hasn’t been any updates that I have heard.
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