dubby wrote: ↑April 24, 2024, 3:37 pm
Finchy wrote: ↑April 24, 2024, 2:46 pm
Bluesbrother wrote: ↑April 24, 2024, 1:45 pm
Which players have gone backwards since joining the raiders? That's the way you judge coaches/the impact of anything. Take a snapshot before, baseline. Then measure the improvement, the affect.
Let's be reasonable here. Ricky haters, tell us, who's gone backwards?
I'm not a "Ricky hater", but I also don't think his **** doesn't stink.
I don't think what you've listed above is the only way to judge coaching. Plenty of players left the Raiders and played better footy elsewhere.
I would say the below list of players played worse footy since joining the Raiders (Ricky-era only). But I'm not silly enough to attribute all of that to "poor coaching". Some of it is age/off-field dramas/injury/development/etc.
Just like the plenty of players that have come here and performed well isn't all down to "good coaching". Most of it is individual talent and self-driven determination or opportunity (like Tapine, Papa, Austin, Rapa, etc).
Sisa Waqa
Frank-Paul Nuuausala
Junior Paulo
Scott Sorensen
Dave Taylor
Charlie Gubb
Liam Knight
Curtis Scott
Corey Harawira-Naera
Ryan James
Caleb Aekins
Inkee, it's an own goal!
Waqa had a massive gambling problem
FPN never did anything after us either. His issues are not club related. Pure self motivation.
Scott Sorensen. Really? You're using him as an example? May as well use Clay Priest as a response.
Dave Taylor told Andy Raymond that Ricky was his best coach and he still supports the Raiders till this day.
Liam Knight has faded into obscurity.
CHN had always had defence issues. But he played ok for us.
Ryan James went to Brisbane and did worse he actually played OK for us. Multiple injuries hampered him.
Caleb Aekins is playing Second division ESL.
We gave life to
Blake Austin
John Bateman
Josh Hodgson
Sia soliola
Junior Paulo
Tapine
While eschewing
Joel Edwards
Jake Foster
Reece Robson
Adam Clydesdale
Jeremy Hawkins
And Charlie Gubb?
Dude was depth nothing more and played 5 games for us!!!
Can't agree there dubs, you're moving the goal posts. The question was who came to us and went backwards (played worse). Whilst I provided that list of names, there was a caveat that I was not putting their form down to poor coaching, but a range of factors such as age/off-field dramas/injury/development/etc. My point being that Bluesbrother's assertion of a player improving or declining proves whether someone was a good coach or not. It's fallacious.
To your points on those players though:
Waqa had a massive gambling problem (Not in question. Comes under my "off-field" and "age" notation. However, his form for us was not as good as his form for the Storm).
FPN never did anything after us either. His issues are not club related. Pure self motivation. (FPN played much better footy at the Roosters and played 15 Tests for NZ. Did nothing with us except be a complete brain-dead ****).
Scott Sorensen. Really? You're using him as an example? May as well use Clay Priest as a response. (I fail to see the comparison. Sorensen was a complete plodder. Now he looks a million bucks playing for the Panthers and winning premierships. Bring him back and he's back to plodder status. Clay Priest never achieved anything after leaving us. Chalk and cheese).
Dave Taylor told Andy Raymond that Ricky was his best coach and he still supports the Raiders till this day. (Dave Taylor did not play his best footy with us).
Liam Knight has faded into obscurity (Liam Knight is a plodder, but played far more consist first grade after leaving. Much like Mark Nicolls).
CHN had always had defence issues. But he played ok for us (CHN was a gun at Penrith and Canterbury, and played a few Tests for NZ. Never quite lived up to that form with us or played any more rep footy).
Ryan James went to Brisbane and did worse he actually played OK for us. Multiple injuries hampered him (James also comes under my "age" and "injury" notation. He did play worse for Brisbane. But he was wasn't as good playing for us as he was at the Titans, where he was an absolute gun, pre-injuries).
Caleb Aekins is playing Second division ESL (Aekins looked very good at Penrith. So much so that the Panthers considered keeping him over Edwards. He's probably one of the worst players to play for us. The fact he's still playing poorly or in a poorer league doesn't matter. He played worse for us than for Penrith).
Anyway, all of this is silly because it's actually proving my point on two fronts - these players played better footy before coming to us, but that's not because Ricky is a poor coach.
Ata Mariota’s #1 fan. Bless his cotton socks.