2022 Rd 23 V Knights: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

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Who will win?

Raiders 13+
6
35%
Raiders 1-12
5
29%
Draw
1
6%
Knights 1-12
2
12%
Knights 13+
3
18%
 
Total votes: 17

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julian87 wrote: August 19, 2022, 10:06 pm I pretty much never bet on Canberra. But had a feeling early week and put a multi on that will now land me 1200 after the first 3 results if we win 13+

The odds are almost not worth hedging but I extra don't know if I can do Sunday now 🤣
well now we're ****

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Azza wrote: August 19, 2022, 11:35 am
Raider Azz wrote: August 18, 2022, 11:10 pm
Hong Kong Raider wrote:With Souths losing tonight, there is the possibility they will lose their remaining matches, against Cowboys and Roosters, meaning we will make the 8 if we win all our matches. A big if.
Careful Hong Kong Raider, i made that mere suggestion last week and the usual suspects all crawled out from under their rocks to mock me by telling me how dumb i sounded, and that souths couldn't possibly lose their remaining games

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Christ, do you always have to act so butthurt? If Souths lose all of their remaining matches and we win all ours and make the eight, great - but there's a strong likelihood it won't happen because we'll either cock up - as we usually seem to in key games this last couple of years - or they'll grab one of their two remaining games (contrary to some, I still think they are in pretty good form).
Always the negative one.

I think I prefer the scenario portrayed by Raider Azz which gives me hope, at the very least. However, let it not be me to suggest how to get your kicks.

Here are some other stats that you can rejoice if your negative opinion bears fruit.

We’ve only lost two games against sides in the bottom 8. Those two games were the refereeing disasters, that the referees boss “apologised” for against the Warriors and the Dragons. Let’s hope that form continues; I’m thinking you dont. And yes, I agree we should have won some of those games by bigger margins. Had we been one of the “favoured clubs” I’m sure we would have.

We’ve won 5 of the 11 games against sides currently in the top 8.

After Rnd 22 we’re on 2 more points that the whole of last season. Consider that we’ve played without the spine we trained for in our pre-season.

Many couch coaches on this forum. I’d bet none could have done better than our current coach.
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Good thing none of us are being paid many hundreds of thousands of dollars to be the current coach.
Tell me CRad... have you ever been critical of a politican? any sporting coach? a teacher? a doctor? an architect? any athlete of any kind? Any professional that you're not absolutely qualified to do the job of?

Or is it just the HC of the Canberra Raiders who gets the protection of "You cant do better, so you dont get to have an opinion"?
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Botman wrote:Good thing none of us are being paid many hundreds of thousands of dollars to be the current coach.
Tell me CRad... have you ever been critical of a politican? any sporting coach? a teacher? a doctor? an architect? any athlete of any kind? Any professional that you're not absolutely qualified to do the job of?

Or is it just the HC of the Canberra Raiders who gets the protection of "You cant do better, so you dont get to have an opinion"?
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Botman wrote: August 19, 2022, 10:16 pm
julian87 wrote: August 19, 2022, 10:06 pm I pretty much never bet on Canberra. But had a feeling early week and put a multi on that will now land me 1200 after the first 3 results if we win 13+

The odds are almost not worth hedging but I extra don't know if I can do Sunday now 🤣
well now we're ****

Thanks 'mate'
Haha but wait, I will hedge!

Haha
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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Botman wrote: August 19, 2022, 10:23 pm Good thing none of us are being paid many hundreds of thousands of dollars to be the current coach.
Tell me CRad... have you ever been critical of a politican? any sporting coach? a teacher? a doctor? an architect? any athlete of any kind? Any professional that you're not absolutely qualified to do the job of?

Or is it just the HC of the Canberra Raiders who gets the protection of "You cant do better, so you dont get to have an opinion"?
YES x 7, followed by
NO x 1

I hope that assists.
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We need the Roosters to drop2/3 games or Broncos lose their last 2 games.
Still we must win our 3 games Knights A, Manly H, Tigers A.

Yet again it comes down to those games we just keep losing when we are 20 in front with 20 to go and end up losing by 20.
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InFernos_Raiders wrote: August 20, 2022, 2:59 am We need the Roosters to drop2/3 games or Broncos lose their last 2 games.
Still we must win our 3 games Knights A, Manly H, Tigers A.

Yet again it comes down to those games we just keep losing when we are 20 in front with 20 to go and end up losing by 20.
I reckon we win all three and either donkeys or eels drop 2 or all of their last games. Next week eels v donkeys, donkeys got smashed last night n eels have dogs today. Dogs did smash the eels early this year. Eels have donkeys next week n then Melbourne.We’re in with a chance pending we win the remaining 3, personally I would like to see the donkeys knocked out of the top 8 to make room for us…. Their points differential we can catch
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Canberra Raiders cling to finals against Newcastle Knights

Canberra coach Ricky Stuart says Sunday’s clash with Newcastle could be a classic example of a team under pressure finding an extra gear.

"We don't want to be the club that cops a sting from a club in a little bit of a difficult situation," he said. "We've got to be very professional and diligent, get into the game and play for 80 minutes at a high standard."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14274
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80 mins at a high standard.

We haven’t done that yet.
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-PJ- wrote: August 20, 2022, 6:58 am 80 mins at a high standard.

We haven’t done that yet.
Nor finding an extra gear under pressure.
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Yep, risky game here.

We just need to keep our heads and defend well. Not give them a sniff.

The points will come if we do the basics right.

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Narrator: but alas, they didn't do the basics right. And Craid was found curled up in the foetal position with his thumb in his mouth under the shade of a coolabah tree that was dead 4 days later

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CRaid wrote:
Azza wrote: August 19, 2022, 11:35 am
Raider Azz wrote: August 18, 2022, 11:10 pm
Hong Kong Raider wrote:With Souths losing tonight, there is the possibility they will lose their remaining matches, against Cowboys and Roosters, meaning we will make the 8 if we win all our matches. A big if.
Careful Hong Kong Raider, i made that mere suggestion last week and the usual suspects all crawled out from under their rocks to mock me by telling me how dumb i sounded, and that souths couldn't possibly lose their remaining games

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Christ, do you always have to act so butthurt? If Souths lose all of their remaining matches and we win all ours and make the eight, great - but there's a strong likelihood it won't happen because we'll either cock up - as we usually seem to in key games this last couple of years - or they'll grab one of their two remaining games (contrary to some, I still think they are in pretty good form).
Always the negative one.

I think I prefer the scenario portrayed by Raider Azz which gives me hope, at the very least. However, let it not be me to suggest how to get your kicks.

Here are some other stats that you can rejoice if your negative opinion bears fruit.

We’ve only lost two games against sides in the bottom 8. Those two games were the refereeing disasters, that the referees boss “apologised” for against the Warriors and the Dragons. Let’s hope that form continues; I’m thinking you dont. And yes, I agree we should have won some of those games by bigger margins. Had we been one of the “favoured clubs” I’m sure we would have.

We’ve won 5 of the 11 games against sides currently in the top 8.

After Rnd 22 we’re on 2 more points that the whole of last season. Consider that we’ve played without the spine we trained for in our pre-season.

Many couch coaches on this forum. I’d bet none could have done better than our current coach.
We should never have been in a position to lose those games against the Warriors and Dragons, but it is a joke to be dudded twice like that in a season.

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-PJ- wrote: August 20, 2022, 6:58 am 80 mins at a high standard.

We haven’t done that yet.
These last few games would be a great time to start doing it though!
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CRaid wrote: August 19, 2022, 10:17 pm Many couch coaches on this forum. I’d bet none could have done better than our current coach.
It reminds me of something Ian ‘Dicko’ Dickson once said when judging Australian Idol. One of the singers got a negative review from him, and she says “I’d like to see you come up here and sing it better!” Dicko’s reply was “I don’t need to be able to sing it better to know that you sang it badly”.

It’s the same with footy, or anything in life really. You don’t have to be able to do something better to know someone else is doing it poorly. Are the Wests Tigers a bad footy team? Yes. Could I play any better? He’ll no. Doesn’t mean I can’t judge their performances.
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We have 3 games against teams below us on the ladder. Win those and we finish on 30 points, which is usually enough to make the 8. We still need other results to go our way although that could well happen. Particularly after Broncos got smashed last night.

The run home for teams we're competing with are:

Bunnies - Cowboys, Roosters
Eels - Dogs, Broncos, Storm
Broncos - Eels, Dragons
Roosters - Tigers, Storm, Bunnies

We're not going to know till rnd 25
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Finchy wrote: August 20, 2022, 8:45 am
CRaid wrote: August 19, 2022, 10:17 pm Many couch coaches on this forum. I’d bet none could have done better than our current coach.
It reminds me of something Ian ‘Dicko’ Dickson once said when judging Australian Idol. One of the singers got a negative review from him, and she says “I’d like to see you come up here and sing it better!” Dicko’s reply was “I don’t need to be able to sing it better to know that you sang it badly”.

It’s the same with footy, or anything in life really. You don’t have to be able to do something better to know someone else is doing it poorly. Are the Wests Tigers a bad footy team? Yes. Could I play any better? He’ll no. Doesn’t mean I can’t judge their performances.
I don’t like this common sense Finchy.

In reality, there is only 1 person fully qualified to judge the performance of Ricky Stuart. And that, is Ricky Stuart.

He tells us no one looks at the game like him, no one sees what he sees. And he tells us he is the best man for the job. I guess we just have to believe him.
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Botman wrote: August 20, 2022, 8:31 am
-PJ- wrote: August 20, 2022, 6:58 am 80 mins at a high standard.

We haven’t done that yet.
These last few games would be a great time to start doing it though!
Cmon Bot, there’s a 20min siesta built into the dna.

But I agree with you..let’s start playing for 80 2mrw.
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Bait taken .. best part of the river haha

All small fry .. haven’t got the big one yet
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greeneyed wrote: August 20, 2022, 6:50 am Canberra Raiders cling to finals against Newcastle Knights

Canberra coach Ricky Stuart says Sunday’s clash with Newcastle could be a classic example of a team under pressure finding an extra gear.

"We don't want to be the club that cops a sting from a club in a little bit of a difficult situation," he said. "We've got to be very professional and diligent, get into the game and play for 80 minutes at a high standard."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14274
100% agree with you Sticky. Now as the bloke charged with getting positive results for the Raiders, can you motivate our players to make it happen please? The Panthers have shown this round that a strong defensive side can win, even without their two best play makers. D is key for me. Papa said you have some new ideas from your couch watching. I'll settle for one new trick shot this weekend even if the execution is not perfect. Souths showed some innovation with wide chain passing to get outside the Panthers defensive line and it worked a couple of times. The Broncos tried an early kick for their speed men out wide and it looked promising. Wotchagot Stick.
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Without going into all the different scenarios of who plays who IF ( and that’s a big if ) we win our remaining 3 games we will make the 8. End of.
Will we though ??
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Azza wrote: August 20, 2022, 7:59 am Narrator: but alas, they didn't do the basics right. And Craid was found curled up in the foetal position with his thumb in his mouth under the shade of a coolabah tree that was dead 4 days later
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We play the last game of the regular season, on a Sunday 4pm at Leichhardt Oval vs Tigers. We will well and truly know the scenario by then….and if the scenario is we beat the Tigers and we make the 8, I can see us stuffing that up royally!


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CRaid wrote:
Azza wrote: August 20, 2022, 7:59 am Narrator: but alas, they didn't do the basics right. And Craid was found curled up in the foetal position with his thumb in his mouth under the shade of a coolabah tree that was dead 4 days later
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Ron78 wrote:We play the last game of the regular season, on a Sunday 4pm at Leichhardt Oval vs Tigers. We will well and truly know the scenario by then….and if the scenario is we beat the Tigers and we make the 8, I can see us stuffing that up royally!


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About two months ago I did the ladder predictor and had us finishing 9th. A few results going our way this week and 8th actually might be a chance. We could potentially play roosters in week 1, at that flash new stadium. I don't often attend away games but that could be a pretty awesome experience.

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Azza wrote: August 20, 2022, 11:24 am
Ron78 wrote:We play the last game of the regular season, on a Sunday 4pm at Leichhardt Oval vs Tigers. We will well and truly know the scenario by then….and if the scenario is we beat the Tigers and we make the 8, I can see us stuffing that up royally!
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RedRaider wrote:
greeneyed wrote: August 20, 2022, 6:50 am Canberra Raiders cling to finals against Newcastle Knights

Canberra coach Ricky Stuart says Sunday’s clash with Newcastle could be a classic example of a team under pressure finding an extra gear.

"We don't want to be the club that cops a sting from a club in a little bit of a difficult situation," he said. "We've got to be very professional and diligent, get into the game and play for 80 minutes at a high standard."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14274
100% agree with you Sticky. Now as the bloke charged with getting positive results for the Raiders, can you motivate our players to make it happen please? The Panthers have shown this round that a strong defensive side can win, even without their two best play makers. D is key for me. Papa said you have some new ideas from your couch watching. I'll settle for one new trick shot this weekend even if the execution is not perfect. Souths showed some innovation with wide chain passing to get outside the Panthers defensive line and it worked a couple of times. The Broncos tried an early kick for their speed men out wide and it looked promising. Wotchagot Stick.
People constantly bang on about our poor attack, but defence is definitely the key.

No team gets a 30 point winning margin when they concede 20.

We won't improve our attack until our discipline in defence improves.

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CRaid wrote:
Azza wrote: August 20, 2022, 11:24 am
Ron78 wrote:We play the last game of the regular season, on a Sunday 4pm at Leichhardt Oval vs Tigers. We will well and truly know the scenario by then….and if the scenario is we beat the Tigers and we make the 8, I can see us stuffing that up royally!
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Raiders666 wrote: August 18, 2022, 11:48 am
The Nickman wrote: August 18, 2022, 11:37 am
Raiders666 wrote: August 18, 2022, 10:56 am
zim wrote: August 18, 2022, 10:51 am We're going to lose against the tigers somehow aren't we? Or finish in 9th with a 14-10 record.
It's going to be a 9th with a 14 -10 record... I'm just happy we are heading in the right direction after losing 5 in a row earlier in the year.
9th with a 14-10 record? Well that sounds like we have THIS year's excuse in the bag!

Three more years, three more years!!
Meh from where we were...It's been a decent turnaround.
C’mon guys look at the positives; 10th last year, 9th this year. At this rate will be top of the table by 2030! It’s da masta plan 😉
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Seiffert82 wrote: August 20, 2022, 12:22 pm
RedRaider wrote:
greeneyed wrote: August 20, 2022, 6:50 am Canberra Raiders cling to finals against Newcastle Knights

Canberra coach Ricky Stuart says Sunday’s clash with Newcastle could be a classic example of a team under pressure finding an extra gear.

"We don't want to be the club that cops a sting from a club in a little bit of a difficult situation," he said. "We've got to be very professional and diligent, get into the game and play for 80 minutes at a high standard."

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14274
100% agree with you Sticky. Now as the bloke charged with getting positive results for the Raiders, can you motivate our players to make it happen please? The Panthers have shown this round that a strong defensive side can win, even without their two best play makers. D is key for me. Papa said you have some new ideas from your couch watching. I'll settle for one new trick shot this weekend even if the execution is not perfect. Souths showed some innovation with wide chain passing to get outside the Panthers defensive line and it worked a couple of times. The Broncos tried an early kick for their speed men out wide and it looked promising. Wotchagot Stick.
People constantly bang on about our poor attack, but defence is definitely the key.

No team gets a 30 point winning margin when they concede 20.

We won't improve our attack until our discipline in defence improves.

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Disagree with this to a point. Our discipline needs to improve, 100%. But our defence isn’t too bad as a system, it’s where we do our defence that’s the big issue, and that relies on discipline (errors/penalties) and our attack, ie, where and when we hand over possession. For instance:

We average 303 tackles a match. Panthers average 302.

We are actually 3rd in the comp for avg# tackles in opposition 20, panthers 1st. We avg 30, panthers 34 per game.

We avg 28 missed tackles a game, panthers average 29 per game, so worse than us.

We average 3.4 tries conceded per game, Penrith average 2.3. We are actually 6th best for tries conceded.

We average 3.2 tries per game, 10th in comp. Panthers average 4.5 per game, 4th in comp.

We are right with the dragons/titans for points scored, and right with eels, rabbitohs and roosters for points conceded.

In all stats we are a top 8 quality team, except we are unable to convert our territory into points. That’s attack. If we clean that up, we give the opposition less ball (receiving kick off sets) and further improve the territory battle.

I’d say our attack should be the sole focus of our training and playing squad.
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Re: 2022 Rd 23 V Knights: Teams and Previews *Teams p1*

Post by Daniel »

Finchy wrote: August 20, 2022, 8:45 am It reminds me of something Ian ‘Dicko’ Dickson once said when judging Australian Idol. One of the singers got a negative review from him, and she says “I’d like to see you come up here and sing it better!” Dicko’s reply was “I don’t need to be able to sing it better to know that you sang it badly”.

It’s the same with footy, or anything in life really. You don’t have to be able to do something better to know someone else is doing it poorly. Are the Wests Tigers a bad footy team? Yes. Could I play any better? He’ll no. Doesn’t mean I can’t judge their performances.
That's a fair point, although it's also worth acknowledging that 'Dicko' was hired for entertainment value and ratings. It's doubtful that his comments and the way he delivered them actually helped anybody improve their singing. In fact, he probably caused long-lasting emotional distress to many of the contestants and their family and friends. I wouldn't view him as an example to follow.

Just food for thought. Doesn't mean you can't judge their performances.
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