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Finchy wrote: June 23, 2022, 12:26 pm
dubby wrote: June 23, 2022, 11:26 am Agree chachi.

Watching Frawley throw it over the sideline and Rapana throw it along the ground from DH makes my head explode.
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Ciraldo to me just seems like he'd really struggle coming out of that revolving talent pit.
If he had the chops he'd be headed to the dogs where he'll at least get a lot of top down support and a half decent roster to work with in 2023.
Otherwise we're heading into the perpetual always touted "never was".
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Here’s some pretty unique upsides to sell to a potential raiders coach:

-Good pathways - not Penrith level but pretty bloody good

-Out of the Sydney spotlight with an exceptionally tame local media

-a board that won’t hang you out to dry

-It takes a phenomenal level of incompetency to get sacked.

-genuine top 8 squad (if we stop being complete spuds)

-With savage, Timoko, HSS, Trev, schnieder, mooney, Rushton, Serra, Mariota etc, the base of next wave of talent is already at the club, it’s just need some gaps filled.


Seems Waaaaaay more attractive than the tigers or the dogs.
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Id just be really happy if rick had someone else in charge of interchanges. Someone less emotionally invested who is able to use it strategically and with clear purpose. Rick rides the game too hard to make clear overview decisions.
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And what does that do to improve our mental fortitude and attacking by-play, we are a extremely poorly coached team relying on teams that are clocking off cause it's the Raiders to get the wins. This whole current set up is sickening and sad to watch.

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Even watching that pathetic carry on of jubilation after falling over the line against the knights was hard to watch.

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simo wrote:Id just be really happy if rick had someone else in charge of interchanges. Someone less emotionally invested who is able to use it strategically and with clear purpose. Rick rides the game too hard to make clear overview decisions.
Yep. His use of the bench has always been awful.

Not sure if it's because he sticks to a plan no matter what, or if he is completely oblivious to what is happening on the field.

Surely one of his assistants can give him a heads up now and again.


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We will never make the finals again with Ricky "the excuse this week is" Stuart....
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We are just running in quicksand.

It’s really hard watching us piss away season after season under Rickys awful coaching.
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Here is a good example of how off the mark we are:

Fogarty V Milford:
Both started late in the season, one from injury one from suspension+being sacked+not training
Forced Drop Outs - Milford wins 7 to 5.
Try Assists - Equal at 3 each, Line break assists Milford wins at 3 to 0 and average metres by 82 to 50.
Tackles - Fogarty wins at 89%, Milford at 78%

And that's Milford and it's not like he is in a stellar team either! No one wanted Milford, and he is doing better than a guy we went after?

The only thing Stuart use to have going for him was recruitment. Now? What is even at entry level from Stuart?
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Ultima wrote: July 3, 2022, 9:49 pm Here is a good example of how off the mark we are:

Fogarty V Milford:
Both started late in the season, one from injury one from suspension+being sacked+not training
Forced Drop Outs - Milford wins 7 to 5.
Try Assists - Equal at 3 each, Line break assists Milford wins at 3 to 0 and average metres by 82 to 50.
Tackles - Fogarty wins at 89%, Milford at 78%

And that's Milford and it's not like he is in a stellar team either! No one wanted Milford, and he is doing better than a guy we went after?

The only thing Stuart use to have going for him was recruitment. Now? What is even at entry level from Stuart?
Barking up the wrong tree with a player vs player comparison.

Let's look at some tactical blunders- coaching/leadership.

a) Repeat short kick offs in a rainstorm. Downside? Well we saw it, gift easy tries to the opposition in a night where points at all are hat a premium and hard to score, we literally keep throwing points in their lap.

Even dumber: what was the upside to this play? In the wet, simply the right to be smashed on our own 10m line for a set and then buried again- AT BEST (if we didn't drop it). Ball was hard to hold, so hard to score it is the ONE circumstance we are actually better to just kick long and see what they can do.

Why do we do this? Are we letting Rapana make decisions? Are people too scared to just say no to him? **** is Whiteheads job if he is a non running, non playing, too scared to lead captain?

b) Poor discipline. See how HARD it was for us to get out of our 20m?
What other team would gift FOUR penalties in a row to the opposition in such circumstances? Answer: no other team.
Just sheer ill discipline and stupidity. When you see this once, you can think, gee the players were silly. When you watch this for 7 years, you think the coach has no idea how to instill discipline in a player/team and no representative on the field capable of enforcing it. Bloody Alf and his water bottle is worth more.

Said it regularly for years now. This teams growth is done under RIcky. Nowhere but regression and stagnation for years now.
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BadnMean wrote: July 3, 2022, 10:22 pm
Ultima wrote: July 3, 2022, 9:49 pm Here is a good example of how off the mark we are:

Fogarty V Milford:
Both started late in the season, one from injury one from suspension+being sacked+not training
Forced Drop Outs - Milford wins 7 to 5.
Try Assists - Equal at 3 each, Line break assists Milford wins at 3 to 0 and average metres by 82 to 50.
Tackles - Fogarty wins at 89%, Milford at 78%

And that's Milford and it's not like he is in a stellar team either! No one wanted Milford, and he is doing better than a guy we went after?

The only thing Stuart use to have going for him was recruitment. Now? What is even at entry level from Stuart?
Barking up the wrong tree with a player vs player comparison.

Let's look at some tactical blunders- coaching/leadership.

a) Repeat short kick offs in a rainstorm. Downside? Well we saw it, gift easy tries to the opposition in a night where points at all are hat a premium and hard to score, we literally keep throwing points in their lap.

Even dumber: what was the upside to this play? In the wet, simply the right to be smashed on our own 10m line for a set and then buried again- AT BEST (if we didn't drop it). Ball was hard to hold, so hard to score it is the ONE circumstance we are actually better to just kick long and see what they can do.

Why do we do this? Are we letting Rapana make decisions? Are people too scared to just say no to him? **** is Whiteheads job if he is a non running, non playing, too scared to lead captain?

b) Poor discipline. See how HARD it was for us to get out of our 20m?
What other team would gift FOUR penalties in a row to the opposition in such circumstances? Answer: no other team.
Just sheer ill discipline and stupidity. When you see this once, you can think, gee the players were silly. When you watch this for 7 years, you think the coach has no idea how to instill discipline in a player/team and no representative on the field capable of enforcing it. Bloody Alf and his water bottle is worth more.

Said it regularly for years now. This teams growth is done under RIcky. Nowhere but regression and stagnation for years now.
In terms of tactical blunders, the Nine commentary team were practically ridiculing us for our ineptitude today. Refusing to take advantage of the breeze and kicking early.

Nothing to me is more emblematic of Ricky’s shortcomings as a coach than this:

For a while a couple years ago we would kick it on the 3rd tackle on a regular basis; multiple times a game. It didn’t really make sense a lot of the time, didn’t really produce much of a dividend nor seem to be dictated to by game circumstances.

Instead I’m pretty sure it was cooked up by Ricky in the off-season and baked in to his plans.

Compare that with today where blind Freddy could see that early kicking with that breeze was an absolute no brainer….and what did we get? crickets.

This is why so many of us know very early in the season what the predictable end result
Is going to be.

Not only does Ricky have no ability to make in game adjustments, he can’t even make in season adjustments.

Everything that happens in the season has been formulated and pre programmed in the off season. If circumstances during the actual season aren’t permitting those plans to bring success, well, so be it. It is baked in and you’re going to need a long off season for another pre-programming to take place before anything is going to change.

This inflexible, inept coaching is why we have pissed 4 seasons up the wall in the last 6 years.
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Yeah but we have been listing those sort of things for years now. This was just a good side by side example of players who both are back the same number of weeks, yet one is improving while the other is at best stuck in neutral... Just another example....

I would put both A and B down to the game plan, his selection of captain, and that's captains ability to know when to pick plays, etc.

I still say there isn't a player we have who hasn't gone backwards under Stuart....

While on the matter of captain I was trying to come up with who could take over... Tapine is an obvious choice but he isn't out there all the time. Rapana would be alright but he is a bit too impulsive maybe? Also being out on the wing means he isn't in the thick of it enough.
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Ultima wrote: July 3, 2022, 10:54 pm Yeah but we have been listing those sort of things for years now. This was just a good side by side example of players who both are back the same number of weeks, yet one is improving while the other is at best stuck in neutral... Just another example....

I would put both A and B down to the game plan, his selection of captain, and that's captains ability to know when to pick plays, etc.

I still say there isn't a player we have who hasn't gone backwards under Stuart....

While on the matter of captain I was trying to come up with who could take over... Tapine is an obvious choice but he isn't out there all the time. Rapana would be alright but he is a bit too impulsive maybe? Also being out on the wing means he isn't in the thick of it enough.
Rapana is a great team member but honestly among the worst senior players/leaders I could think of, given their ability.
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Currently trending "Canberra Raiders Press Conference"... Another reason to ditch the coach, always headlines for the wrong reasons.
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It's easier to write a story that focusses on contentious reffing decision, rather than an analysis of the game or coaching. I hate that aspect of sports culture in general, I think it's poisonous to the fabric of the game at all levels.

But if you are praying for the reff to save you when you've been taking poor options, dropping the ball, failing to kick it dead on penalties etc for the previous 79 mins and 55 seconds then you've made your own bad luck there I'm afraid.

We've gone backwards in that regard- we spent years working toward a "no excuses" , forget the ref (they make mistakes too, it's going to happen!) and just get it done type of mentality. In 2019 we were really good at that and even Ricky's press conferences reflected that.

It's part of the reason I think he's done all he can here. He's backsliding on that, he seems exhausted of it and it seeps through to the players. I do wonder if Ricky realises where he's gone on this issue. I really think we need a fresh mind and voice in there.
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Ultima wrote: July 4, 2022, 12:45 pm Currently trending "Canberra Raiders Press Conference"... Another reason to ditch the coach, always headlines for the wrong reasons.
Rubbish. He was aksed directly about that last decision to open the press conference. The line of questioning was trying to draw a reaction. Sticky gave away very little all things considered. Not even close to Robbo's blow up after the Roosters game
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Northern Raider wrote: July 4, 2022, 2:01 pm
Ultima wrote: July 4, 2022, 12:45 pm Currently trending "Canberra Raiders Press Conference"... Another reason to ditch the coach, always headlines for the wrong reasons.
Rubbish. He was aksed directly about that last decision to open the press conference. The line of questioning was trying to draw a reaction. Sticky gave away very little all things considered. Not even close to Robbo's blow up after the Roosters game
It was top of trending for Google Australia at the time I posted it... People obviously were expecting him to have a big reaction or Fox reported in it a way people googled it. Either way, if your coach is making headlines for the wrong reasons, maybe that's a bad thing?
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Ultima wrote: July 4, 2022, 7:08 pm
Northern Raider wrote: July 4, 2022, 2:01 pm
Ultima wrote: July 4, 2022, 12:45 pm Currently trending "Canberra Raiders Press Conference"... Another reason to ditch the coach, always headlines for the wrong reasons.
Rubbish. He was aksed directly about that last decision to open the press conference. The line of questioning was trying to draw a reaction. Sticky gave away very little all things considered. Not even close to Robbo's blow up after the Roosters game
It was top of trending for Google Australia at the time I posted it... People obviously were expecting him to have a big reaction or Fox reported in it a way people googled it. Either way, if your coach is making headlines for the wrong reasons, maybe that's a bad thing?
I'm not talking about Google trends. Headlines were made by the media, not by the coach. He gave them very little material. If we're sacking coaches because of the headlines people decide to print then Robbo is gone from Roosters. Freddy may as well step aside from the NSW job. Bellamy would have been gone years ago. Bennett hardly says a word in press conferences yet still makes headlines.

There are plenty of reason to want Stuart out. This however is not one of them.
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**** off... just **** right off.... He has won a single game against the odds this year, lost far more when we were favourites, and two more years.... what a **** joke....

Raiders set to announce two-year extension for Ricky Stuart: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... 22d221eb67
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Ultima wrote: July 4, 2022, 7:08 pm
Northern Raider wrote: July 4, 2022, 2:01 pm
Ultima wrote: July 4, 2022, 12:45 pm Currently trending "Canberra Raiders Press Conference"... Another reason to ditch the coach, always headlines for the wrong reasons.
Rubbish. He was aksed directly about that last decision to open the press conference. The line of questioning was trying to draw a reaction. Sticky gave away very little all things considered. Not even close to Robbo's blow up after the Roosters game
It was top of trending for Google Australia at the time I posted it... People obviously were expecting him to have a big reaction or Fox reported in it a way people googled it. Either way, if your coach is making headlines for the wrong reasons, maybe that's a bad thing?
You do know those search engine trend thingies are customised to your preferences right? That’s why Rick’s press conference was trending in your feed among a range of other searches weird sexy sites and Lego stuff.
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Stuart - "I just want to keep building the club and stay competitive. Obviously we all want to win a grand final, everyone in the game does, but"

The fact that our master plan has "but" after that....
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With the massive shift as soon as we took Whitehead off surely this shows that Stuart is too close to some of these players to make the calls that need to happen?

Whitehead has been an amazing player for our club, but he hasn't been first grade standard for well over a year now...
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Another good win for Rick and the boys. We look like a finals side to me.
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Sleek the Elite wrote: July 23, 2022, 5:08 pm Another good win for Rick and the boys. We look like a finals side to me.
7 from the last 10...The team has surprised me. Kudos to Ricky and the team
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Ultima wrote: July 23, 2022, 4:38 pm With the massive shift as soon as we took Whitehead off surely this shows that Stuart is too close to some of these players to make the calls that need to happen?

Whitehead has been an amazing player for our club, but he hasn't been first grade standard for well over a year now...
100%, and hopefully, but I honestly think Stick believes that Whitehead adds SO much experience that Papa, Wighton, Tapine etc don’t. Judging by the press conference anyway.

Calls to drop whitehead is not a go at what he has brought to the club. It is what is best for the club currently. It is what it is
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Green Machine 2011 wrote: July 23, 2022, 5:44 pm
Ultima wrote: July 23, 2022, 4:38 pm With the massive shift as soon as we took Whitehead off surely this shows that Stuart is too close to some of these players to make the calls that need to happen?

Whitehead has been an amazing player for our club, but he hasn't been first grade standard for well over a year now...
100%, and hopefully, but I honestly think Stick believes that Whitehead adds SO much experience that Papa, Wighton, Tapine etc don’t. Judging by the press conference anyway.

Calls to drop whitehead is not a go at what he has brought to the club. It is what is best for the club currently. It is what it is
It always astounds me the caveats posters feel they need to apply before commenting on a players form. Whitehead stinks! See that can be said in isolation of commentary about how he held himself in pre-school, what sort of snappy dresser he may or may not be and how friendly his 3rd cousins dog is. Everything else is irrelevant to his current form which is foul.
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Billy Walker wrote: July 23, 2022, 6:54 pm
Green Machine 2011 wrote: July 23, 2022, 5:44 pm
Ultima wrote: July 23, 2022, 4:38 pm With the massive shift as soon as we took Whitehead off surely this shows that Stuart is too close to some of these players to make the calls that need to happen?

Whitehead has been an amazing player for our club, but he hasn't been first grade standard for well over a year now...
100%, and hopefully, but I honestly think Stick believes that Whitehead adds SO much experience that Papa, Wighton, Tapine etc don’t. Judging by the press conference anyway.

Calls to drop whitehead is not a go at what he has brought to the club. It is what is best for the club currently. It is what it is
It always astounds me the caveats posters feel they need to apply before commenting on a players form. Whitehead stinks! See that can be said in isolation of commentary about how he held himself in pre-school, what sort of snappy dresser he may or may not be and how friendly his 3rd cousins dog is. Everything else is irrelevant to his current form which is foul.
Caveat or not, or praising what he’s give to the club in the past or note, I clearly said:

“[dropping Whitehead] is what is best for the club currently. It is what it is”
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Ultima wrote: July 23, 2022, 4:38 pm With the massive shift as soon as we took Whitehead off surely this shows that Stuart is too close to some of these players to make the calls that need to happen?

Whitehead has been an amazing player for our club, but he hasn't been first grade standard for well over a year now...
It's the same cycle. We watched 18 months of Croker and CNK sputtering along before they had to get injured before they were dropped and Whitehead is possibly going worse than they were...

He'll see out the year. It's how these things go under Rickster.

But CHN was a a breath of fresh air out there on the right in attack, that must be noticed. And the defence didn't suffer- even if Elliot is the noticeably more alert defender both in behind the ruck and reading attack.
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BadnMean wrote: July 23, 2022, 9:27 pm
Ultima wrote: July 23, 2022, 4:38 pm With the massive shift as soon as we took Whitehead off surely this shows that Stuart is too close to some of these players to make the calls that need to happen?

Whitehead has been an amazing player for our club, but he hasn't been first grade standard for well over a year now...
It's the same cycle. We watched 18 months of Croker and CNK sputtering along before they had to get injured before they were dropped and Whitehead is possibly going worse than they were...

He'll see out the year. It's how these things go under Rickster.

But CHN was a a breath of fresh air out there on the right in attack, that must be noticed. And the defence didn't suffer- even if Elliot is the noticeably more alert defender both in behind the ruck and reading attack.
When Stuart decides to drop a player, they're gone. Witness CNK who won't be back, and fair enough - his second half today was awful - but that's probably why Rick is so reluctant to drop EW. Once that happens, he ain't coming back.
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Lui_Bon wrote: July 23, 2022, 11:05 pm When Stuart decides to drop a player, they're gone. Witness CNK who won't be back, and fair enough - his second half today was awful - but that's probably why Rick is so reluctant to drop EW. Once that happens, he ain't coming back.
Papalii has been dropped a couple of times due to fitness, and witness CHN being dropped and coming back.
I'd say, the longer it takes him to make the call to drop someone, the longer the player is gone for.
So when the axe does eventually fall for Whitehead, it will be for once and for all, barring injuries.
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Stuart is a **** hack... The team looks disinterested, he can't use the bench, he doesn't even understand momentum... We are dead in attack, Whitehead somehow is still in firsts, Starling has at most ten minutes in him and we look directionless with him out there...

It's the same almost every week though... We luck out a couple, Stuart is will get another extension... We will NEVER win a grand final with Stuart as coach... I would be surprised of we even play finals again with Stuart as coach...
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Wet weather and we use bugger all inside balls or change up the angles. Everything aimed at the corner post. Says it all really.
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Dr Greenthumb wrote:Wet weather and we use bugger all inside balls or change up the angles. Everything aimed at the corner post. Says it all really.
Wighton really guilty of 45 degree running today, Young and Elliot guilty of 12 degree running back across field.
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We need the following

New defensive coaching
New attacking coaching
New Head Coach

All that should be found outside of the boys club that is the Queanbeyan leagues Club


We will not be anywhere near a grand final, let alone finals with the coaching team we have now
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