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greeneyed wrote: March 8, 2022, 7:48 pm Bulldogs deal done for Ryan Sutton

Raiders backrower Ryan Sutton will reportedly be officially announced as a Bulldogs player within the week. The Daily Telegraph’s Brent Read says the deal has been done, with the Englishmen signing a three-year deal to join Trent Barrett’s side. “I’d expect that to be formalised in the next 48 hours, so at least this week at some point,” Read said on Triple M.

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“Officially announced as a bulldogs player within the week”

For next year right? Or is he being released early?
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kona_dream wrote: March 8, 2022, 7:56 pm Any thought that Sutton might not be in the 17 as perhaps an early release might be sort and granted to free up top 30 spot in the near term. Or is Horsburgh just simply in front of him at this stage?
I think sticky thinks hors offers more

I love Sutton and will miss him but he is a little fensom like, bit one dimensional, no real spark

Sadly the day of the workhorse is gone
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I think Sutton was one of the best forwards last year for the Raiders. Lots of effort, very consistent, plays tight, low error counts. Good defence, almost top 10 among NRL forwards for average tackles and 90 per cent tackle efficiency.

But he doesn’t have much of a passing game, and that’s what they’re wanting from the forwards this year. In addition, he ranks fourth for NRL props with runs of eight metres or less, and 32nd for props with runs of eight metres plus. I guess that’s a complicated way of saying he ranked 15th for the lowest average metres amongst NRL props (eight). Not a lot of tackle breaks (18).
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Completely different kind of player to Fensom IMO. Fensom was too small and would get absolutely smashed taking hit ups and end up on his back. He’d also fall asleep in tackles giving away the dumbest penalties at the worst times. But he made like 50 tackles a game so everyone thought he was the bees knees. He was like Josh Jackson, overrated workhorse. Does the dirty stuff behind the scenes but he’ll never win you the game.

Sutton was more of a George Burgess type. Ran hard, tackled hard, feet for hands though.
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greeneyed wrote:I think Sutton was one of the best forwards last year for the Raiders. Lots of effort, very consistent, plays tight, low error counts. Good defence, almost top 10 among NRL forwards for average tackles and 90 per cent tackle efficiency.

But he doesn’t have much of a passing game, and that’s what they’re wanting from the forwards this year. In addition, he ranks fourth for NRL props with runs of eight metres or less, and 32nd for props with runs of eight metres plus. I guess that’s a complicated way of saying he ranked 15th for the lowest average metres amongst NRL props (eight). Not a lot of tackle breaks (18).
Yep, nailed it.

From what I've seen in the trials, his lack of a passing game doesn't fit in to what Crawley is trying to do with our attack through the middle.

Horsburgh is as frustrating as ****, but he ticks a lot of boxes at his best. The coaching staff just needs to get him fit and his head screwed on.

Sutton is great for depth this season and he'll be a solid buy for the Dogs.

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A player I would have prioritized to keep. Papa isn't getting any younger.

I think he's someone you could have given a starting front row spot to and relied on him to do the job to a consistently high standard. Doesn't get injured regularly like Tapine either.

A much better talent for the longer term than Guler or Big Red. Our loss but if we tried hard to keep him and he decided to go, what can you do? I reckon the club would be very disappointed to lose him. That disappointment may be reflected in his round 1 (non) selection.
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Finchy wrote: March 8, 2022, 11:02 pm Completely different kind of player to Fensom IMO. Fensom was too small and would get absolutely smashed taking hit ups and end up on his back. He’d also fall asleep in tackles giving away the dumbest penalties at the worst times. But he made like 50 tackles a game so everyone thought he was the bees knees. He was like Josh Jackson, overrated workhorse. Does the dirty stuff behind the scenes but he’ll never win you the game.

Sutton was more of a George Burgess type. Ran hard, tackled hard, feet for hands though.
Sutton is nothing like George Burgess at all. Burgess was an absolute attacking beast. Sutton is a mediocre at best prop in attack.
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Sutton is an old school, tuck it under the arm kind of player. Nothing at all fancy about this game and nothing too dynamic either. He doesn't have the size to bend the line, nor the athleticism to put on a step and poke his nose through, and he doesn't have the skills/inclination to pass it. He just looks for contact and given that he gives up size to almost every other prop in the comp he takes a lot of shots. He's the kind of guy that I can see Papa pulling off a highlight reel hit on next year.

I like his effort and i like his contact in defence (one of the few Raiders who hits hard in D) but I think he's easily replaceable and it wasn't worth getting into any sort of bidding war.

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I'm not a huge fan of Sutton - he's just a good solid player.

However, he's the kind of guy that does the dirty work that allows the stars to shine. At the right price, it's that kind of player that's really important.

I don't think he'll be obviously missed, but it might be noticed most in the form of Papa and Tapine.
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julian87 wrote: March 9, 2022, 6:07 am
Finchy wrote: March 8, 2022, 11:02 pm Completely different kind of player to Fensom IMO. Fensom was too small and would get absolutely smashed taking hit ups and end up on his back. He’d also fall asleep in tackles giving away the dumbest penalties at the worst times. But he made like 50 tackles a game so everyone thought he was the bees knees. He was like Josh Jackson, overrated workhorse. Does the dirty stuff behind the scenes but he’ll never win you the game.

Sutton was more of a George Burgess type. Ran hard, tackled hard, feet for hands though.
Sutton is nothing like George Burgess at all. Burgess was an absolute attacking beast. Sutton is a mediocre at best prop in attack.
I’m not talking about skill level or their ceiling, I’m talking about playing style. Obviously Burgess was a better player in his prime (not so much now, can’t make first grade). You can add David Klemmer to the list.

Again, not comparing ability, comparing playing style. Runs hard, tackles hard, doesn’t pass, doesn’t step. Not much variety to their game.

Obviously due to their different body shapes and sizes they had different successes with that style. Burgess could actually break the line and score tries with that style due his massive size and speed for a big guy.

Sutton’s a fair bit smaller so won’t break the line or score tries playing the same way.
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I'd more compare Sutton to the likes of Tim Grant, Scott Logan, Ben Cross, physical and strong but not overly threatening
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‘Bitchy’: Another Raiders star’s partner tees off at club over selection snub

Kate Ford, the girlfriend of Raiders star Ryan Sutton, has taken to Instagram appearing to take a shot at Canberra coach Ricky Stuart after the English forward was left out of the club’s team for the opening round of the NRL season.

With a series of laughing-out-loud emojis, Ford re-posted a picture of the club’s Round 1 team with a caption of: “and I thought the fashion industry was b****y”.

Read more: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... aafc4d445d

This really is embarrassing. The 3rd time it has happened in the last 12 months. She is entitled to her opinion but the partner of an employee slagging off their partners boss publicly is ridiculous. I'm sure Sutton was able to have an adult conversation with Stuart about his non-selection.
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Maybe we'll be able to offload him early. He isn't at a Tapine level where his talent justifies the drama.
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Honestly he must be embarrassed over that… I have no issues with Guler, Horse, or Elliot getting selected over him.

Elliot isn’t a comparison - he has utility value. Both horse and Guler have higher ceilings and can actually bend the line.

Sutton delivers a solid 6-7/10 each week but doesn’t bend the line or have the ability to get decent post contact metres… really annoys me that she did that, just drama we don’t need and not justified. He was named as 18th man for round 1 ****
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Dylan’s Raiders wrote: March 9, 2022, 9:43 am Honestly he must be embarrassed over that… I have no issues with Guler, Horse, or Elliot getting selected over him.

Elliot isn’t a comparison - he has utility value. Both horse and Guler have higher ceilings and can actually bend the line.

Sutton delivers a solid 6-7/10 each week but doesn’t bend the line or have the ability to get decent post contact metres… really annoys me that she did that, just drama we don’t need and not justified. He was named as 18th man for round 1 ****
Nailed it. He's never bent the line, just above average squad filler IMO. An early release would be good for both parties if the bulldogs could make it work with a place in their squad. Better off getting Mooney/Rushton into the rotation given their long term prospects.
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Seriously what is wrong with our players partners? What are we up to now? Three? Tapine, Papalii, and now Sutton’s missus all having a shot at the coach on social media in the past 12 months? Does this happen at any other club and I just haven’t noticed?

Are the players themselves ok with it? I’m sure they share the same sentiment and would have discussed the issue with their partner, but are they happy that the partner is then teeing-off on social media about it? They need to tell them to pull their heads in.
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Finchy wrote:Seriously what is wrong with our players partners? What are we up to now? Three? Tapine, Papalii, and now Sutton’s missus all having a shot at the coach on social media in the past 12 months? Does this happen at any other club and I just haven’t noticed?

Are the players themselves ok with it? I’m sure they share the same sentiment and would have discussed the issue with their partner, but are they happy that the partner is then teeing-off on social media about it? They need to tell them to pull their heads in.
Partners who are happy to take the money from the Raiders, but not willing to support the club. It’s a very bad look for fans, the club, the players and also the partners.

She’s effectively forced Sutton to move to Sydney but is not willing to accept the consequences of that move. She wants things both ways.
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Finchy wrote: March 9, 2022, 9:59 am Seriously what is wrong with our players partners? What are we up to now? Three? Tapine, Papalii, and now Sutton’s missus all having a shot at the coach on social media in the past 12 months? Does this happen at any other club and I just haven’t noticed?

Are the players themselves ok with it? I’m sure they share the same sentiment and would have discussed the issue with their partner, but are they happy that the partner is then teeing-off on social media about it? They need to tell them to pull their heads in.
Yep, well said. You would think the club would put a ban to this last year after all the destabilising it caused. Partners should not be in the position to comment on what decisions the players' boss makes. If my partner slagged off my boss on social media, it would be construed as me slagging off my boss, which would result in summary dismissal.

I don't agree with Sutton's demotion like others on this forum but it's up to him now to be professional and show the coach is wrong, and work his way back in the team. There's little to be gained by his partner venting on social media.
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Her comments put the club in a difficult position. Maybe that’s what her angle is? By all reports she was the one wanting the move to Sydney, perhaps this is her way of speeding things up.

Wonder if there are any Sydney clubs with a bit of spare coin that might want him for a year.

I had him in my 17 however I appreciate we are looking to play a different style and he may not fit that. Between Hola, Mooney and Rushton I think we have reasonable depth plus we could also use a free spot to pick up someone else in a similar predicament.


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I would be happy for him to sit in the stands for the rest of the season after that little dummy spit
Seriously its not cool to have a dig at your employer or your partner's employer on social media

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I understand now why he doesn't make the metres, look at the photo!

I think Ricky should come out and say he didn't get selected because he has chicken legs and also can't pass, not because he's signed somewhere else.
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Angling for an early release…
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at least she nailed it, shouldn't do it but nailed it nonetheless. He's leagues ahead of Elliott and he's been a fantastic representative of our club.

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So all before round one we have a season ending knee injury to one of our best young stars in HSS, a regular-season ending knee injury to the solution to our halfback woes, perhaps our brightest talent in Savage demoted to NSW Cup; and now we have WAGs again having a crack at the coach on social media.

I reckon this season is circling the drain already.
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Mickey_Raider wrote:So all before round one we have a season ending knee injury to one of our best young stars in HSS, a regular-season ending knee injury to the solution to our halfback woes, perhaps our brightest talent in Savage demoted to NSW Cup; and now we have WAGs again having a crack at the coach on social media.

I reckon this season is circling the drain already.
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Botman wrote: March 3, 2022, 8:05 pm Interesting subject...

If Sutton signs with the dogs, should the tie breaker go against him regarding squad selection? again i really like Sutton as a player and think he's a pretty solid bench middle forward... but if his future lies elsewhere, do we invest game time into someone like Mooney instead?
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we have nothing to gain by offloading him early. We don't get the money back - its dead $$. If he sits on the sidelines as contingency for injuries etc. all the better for us. That doesn't stop the young blood coming through - just gives us depth a season. If he never gets used, all good, still no downside for us. I can't see how early release is of benefit to the raiders - or am I missing something?
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Shiv wrote: March 9, 2022, 12:40 pm we have nothing to gain by offloading him early. We don't get the money back - its dead $$. If he sits on the sidelines as contingency for injuries etc. all the better for us. That doesn't stop the young blood coming through - just gives us depth a season. If he never gets used, all good, still no downside for us. I can't see how early release is of benefit to the raiders - or am I missing something?
Part of the agreement to offload him would be that they take on some of his salary for this season. We could use that when someone else becomes available in the run up to June 30.
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Surely even Sutton himself is embarrassed.
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I assume his Mrs signed the contract on his behalf.

I also assume Horsburgh, Guler, Elliott and every other forward named in the 17 is super impressed that Mrs Sutton thinks her boyfriend is better than them.

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bonehead wrote: March 9, 2022, 12:22 pm at least she nailed it, shouldn't do it but nailed it nonetheless. He's leagues ahead of Elliott and he's been a fantastic representative of our club.

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I don't agree with this at all. You can compare them all you want but one is a bloke who can play NRL level at second row and lock and at a pinch could possibly cover centre in a crisis. The other is a prop only. A prop who doesn't make many metres.

This 17, with Sutton in for Elliott, would be way, way worse and tbf; stupid.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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julian87 wrote:
bonehead wrote: March 9, 2022, 12:22 pm at least she nailed it, shouldn't do it but nailed it nonetheless. He's leagues ahead of Elliott and he's been a fantastic representative of our club.

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I don't agree with this at all. You can compare them all you want but one is a bloke who can play NRL level at second row and lock and at a pinch could possibly cover centre in a crisis. The other is a prop only. A prop who doesn't make many metres.

This 17, with Sutton in for Elliott, would be way, way worse and tbf; stupid.
you're entitled to your opinion which I'm more than happy to disagree wholeheartedly with.
Adam Elliott is an nrl level quality edge and middle since when? and can cover centres how? he's flat out dreadful

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