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Yada Yada Yada NRL considering conference system Yada Yada as below
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So sydney teams get an entire season of playing at 3 stadiums, when the other teams have to travel all over the place every weekend.
Sounds like a great idea
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I wish GE would quit with submitting these ideas to NRL HQ.
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V'landys did an interview on NRL 360. He told us that Phil Gould and Phil Rothfield first made this conference proposal to him. Disgraceful stuff from vested interests in Sydney.
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This would near be the death of the Raiders. Up and coming players would want to play in the Sydney conference as that’s where all the media, sponsorship and attention will be.
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My takeaway from this is: a second New Zealand team... really? The Warriors are not a booming success that showcase the untapped potential of New Zealand. I would think at the very least Perth would be ahead of them, if not Adelaide as well (Brisbane2 is a given).
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This is largely the system that’s in place now if you look at the draw (the only notable exception is we never get the Brisbane Suncorp game these days). The only difference is we’d be in a competition table with just the other teams that do the same travel as us, which would be fairer IMO.
The premiership table as it stands right now would have us equal second with the Titans on F/A.
The premiership table as it stands right now would have us equal second with the Titans on F/A.
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Flipping that around, right now the dragons (who are ahead of us on the table) would be missing the finals because they have a “favourable” travel schedule.
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I don’t like it.
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Why can’t it be north/south conferences?
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Looks like a concept to help solidify the Sydney power base. The Sydney teams only have to leave town 3 or 4 times a year and guarantees one of them a spot in the GF.
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We should set Gould and Buzz adrift on the ocean.
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A solution that will create more problems than it solves.
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South Sydney this season only leave Sydney for an "Away" game four times already. The Roosters and Eels only six times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 8:22 am Looks like a concept to help solidify the Sydney power base. The Sydney teams only have to leave town 3 or 4 times a year and guarantees one of them a spot in the GF.
Under the new system they'd leave Sydney four or five times (depending on the year, I'd assume it'll alternate between years), it's really not that much different.
The BIG difference here is that the split competition tables reward the teams that have to travel more and punish the ones that don't.
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...and you are guaranteed 1 Sydney team in the GF every year.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:12 amSouth Sydney this season only leave Sydney for an "Away" game four times already. The Roosters and Eels only six times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 8:22 am Looks like a concept to help solidify the Sydney power base. The Sydney teams only have to leave town 3 or 4 times a year and guarantees one of them a spot in the GF.
Under the new system they'd leave Sydney four or five times (depending on the year, I'd assume it'll alternate between years), it's really not that much different.
The BIG difference here is that the split competition tables reward the teams that have to travel more and punish the ones that don't.
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And you'd be guaranteed there's NOT two Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:19 am...and you are guaranteed 1 Sydney team in the GF every year.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:12 amSouth Sydney this season only leave Sydney for an "Away" game four times already. The Roosters and Eels only six times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 8:22 am Looks like a concept to help solidify the Sydney power base. The Sydney teams only have to leave town 3 or 4 times a year and guarantees one of them a spot in the GF.
Under the new system they'd leave Sydney four or five times (depending on the year, I'd assume it'll alternate between years), it's really not that much different.
The BIG difference here is that the split competition tables reward the teams that have to travel more and punish the ones that don't.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
This won't work the way you guys are envisaging it.
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Yeah exactly. I can't see the NRL taking an all-Sydney or all-QLD grand final off the table. They might indeed go down the conference route, but I imagine it will still be a combined finals series, with the conferences determining who qualifies.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:33 amAnd you'd be guaranteed there's NOT two Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:19 am...and you are guaranteed 1 Sydney team in the GF every year.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:12 amSouth Sydney this season only leave Sydney for an "Away" game four times already. The Roosters and Eels only six times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 8:22 am Looks like a concept to help solidify the Sydney power base. The Sydney teams only have to leave town 3 or 4 times a year and guarantees one of them a spot in the GF.
Under the new system they'd leave Sydney four or five times (depending on the year, I'd assume it'll alternate between years), it's really not that much different.
The BIG difference here is that the split competition tables reward the teams that have to travel more and punish the ones that don't.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
This won't work the way you guys are envisaging it.
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The thing is though, you still get those two grand finals, if marketed properly.the bone wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:35 amYeah exactly. I can't see the NRL taking an all-Sydney or all-QLD grand final off the table. They might indeed go down the conference route, but I imagine it will still be a combined finals series, with the conferences determining who qualifies.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:33 amAnd you'd be guaranteed there's NOT two Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:19 am...and you are guaranteed 1 Sydney team in the GF every year.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:12 amSouth Sydney this season only leave Sydney for an "Away" game four times already. The Roosters and Eels only six times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 8:22 am Looks like a concept to help solidify the Sydney power base. The Sydney teams only have to leave town 3 or 4 times a year and guarantees one of them a spot in the GF.
Under the new system they'd leave Sydney four or five times (depending on the year, I'd assume it'll alternate between years), it's really not that much different.
The BIG difference here is that the split competition tables reward the teams that have to travel more and punish the ones that don't.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
This won't work the way you guys are envisaging it.
You still get the Sydney conference grand final every single year and the non-Sydney one. And when the non-Sydney one is two Qld teams, then BAM... you have your local derby!
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As per my original comment. It will help solidify the Sydney power base. We know it already exists and this proposal sets it in stone.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:33 amAnd you'd be guaranteed there's NOT two Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:19 am...and you are guaranteed 1 Sydney team in the GF every year.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:12 amSouth Sydney this season only leave Sydney for an "Away" game four times already. The Roosters and Eels only six times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 8:22 am Looks like a concept to help solidify the Sydney power base. The Sydney teams only have to leave town 3 or 4 times a year and guarantees one of them a spot in the GF.
Under the new system they'd leave Sydney four or five times (depending on the year, I'd assume it'll alternate between years), it's really not that much different.
The BIG difference here is that the split competition tables reward the teams that have to travel more and punish the ones that don't.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
This won't work the way you guys are envisaging it.
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How will it? I don't in the slightest understand how it will, and just because people keep repeating it with no facts to back it up, it doesn't make it so.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:52 amAs per my original comment. It will help solidify the Sydney power base. We know it already exists and this proposal sets it in stone.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:33 amAnd you'd be guaranteed there's NOT two Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:19 am...and you are guaranteed 1 Sydney team in the GF every year.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:12 amSouth Sydney this season only leave Sydney for an "Away" game four times already. The Roosters and Eels only six times.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 8:22 am Looks like a concept to help solidify the Sydney power base. The Sydney teams only have to leave town 3 or 4 times a year and guarantees one of them a spot in the GF.
Under the new system they'd leave Sydney four or five times (depending on the year, I'd assume it'll alternate between years), it's really not that much different.
The BIG difference here is that the split competition tables reward the teams that have to travel more and punish the ones that don't.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
This won't work the way you guys are envisaging it.
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If anything, Sydney teams are going to start complaining when they're in the "top 8" teams on the combined ladder and miss the playoffs!
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True, they could definitely do that. If they did do separate final series, what would the finals format be? Each conference has 4 teams qualify for the playoffs, 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3, Conference Championship, and then Grand final?The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:43 amThe thing is though, you still get those two grand finals, if marketed properly.the bone wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:35 amYeah exactly. I can't see the NRL taking an all-Sydney or all-QLD grand final off the table. They might indeed go down the conference route, but I imagine it will still be a combined finals series, with the conferences determining who qualifies.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:33 amAnd you'd be guaranteed there's NOT two Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:19 am...and you are guaranteed 1 Sydney team in the GF every year.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:12 am
South Sydney this season only leave Sydney for an "Away" game four times already. The Roosters and Eels only six times.
Under the new system they'd leave Sydney four or five times (depending on the year, I'd assume it'll alternate between years), it's really not that much different.
The BIG difference here is that the split competition tables reward the teams that have to travel more and punish the ones that don't.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
This won't work the way you guys are envisaging it.
You still get the Sydney conference grand final every single year and the non-Sydney one. And when the non-Sydney one is two Qld teams, then BAM... you have your local derby!
The problem with that format is the finals series has been reduced to 3 weeks, which the NRL wouldn't be inclined to do.
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You've already pointed out it currently runs this way unofficially. This makes it official. Plus with the 2 conference winners meeting in the GF you MUST have a Sydney team in there. No longer will we have an aberration that was the 2015 GF.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:55 amHow will it? I don't in the slightest understand how it will, and just because people keep repeating it with no facts to back it up, it doesn't make it so.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:52 amAs per my original comment. It will help solidify the Sydney power base. We know it already exists and this proposal sets it in stone.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:33 amAnd you'd be guaranteed there's NOT two Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:19 am...and you are guaranteed 1 Sydney team in the GF every year.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:12 am
South Sydney this season only leave Sydney for an "Away" game four times already. The Roosters and Eels only six times.
Under the new system they'd leave Sydney four or five times (depending on the year, I'd assume it'll alternate between years), it's really not that much different.
The BIG difference here is that the split competition tables reward the teams that have to travel more and punish the ones that don't.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
This won't work the way you guys are envisaging it.
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I'd be doing 1v2, 3v4, winner of 1v2 gets week off and progresses to conference final, loser plays winner of 3v4 to qualify. Then we have a week off after conference final, maybe hold a 9s tournament with every other team and then have the big one.the bone wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:57 amTrue, they could definitely do that. If they did do separate final series, what would the finals format be? Each conference has 4 teams qualify for the playoffs, 1 vs 4 and 2 vs 3, Conference Championship, and then Grand final?The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:43 amThe thing is though, you still get those two grand finals, if marketed properly.the bone wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:35 amYeah exactly. I can't see the NRL taking an all-Sydney or all-QLD grand final off the table. They might indeed go down the conference route, but I imagine it will still be a combined finals series, with the conferences determining who qualifies.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:33 amAnd you'd be guaranteed there's NOT two Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:19 am
...and you are guaranteed 1 Sydney team in the GF every year.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
This won't work the way you guys are envisaging it.
You still get the Sydney conference grand final every single year and the non-Sydney one. And when the non-Sydney one is two Qld teams, then BAM... you have your local derby!
The problem with that format is the finals series has been reduced to 3 weeks, which the NRL wouldn't be inclined to do.
Five week finals series!
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Yeah, but... you'd be guaranteed there's not TWO Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 10:06 amYou've already pointed out it currently runs this way unofficially. This makes it official. Plus with the 2 conference winners meeting in the GF you MUST have a Sydney team in there. No longer will we have an aberration that was the 2015 GF.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:55 amHow will it? I don't in the slightest understand how it will, and just because people keep repeating it with no facts to back it up, it doesn't make it so.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:52 amAs per my original comment. It will help solidify the Sydney power base. We know it already exists and this proposal sets it in stone.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:33 amAnd you'd be guaranteed there's NOT two Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:19 am
...and you are guaranteed 1 Sydney team in the GF every year.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
This won't work the way you guys are envisaging it.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
Now I just feel like I'm repeating myself.
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Honestly, if this conference system were up and running it will eventually result in the Sydney teams complaining the loudest.
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That is true and one that wouldn't sit well with the power brokers. Either way it's flawed. Breaking it down into the basics. This proposal offers up a Sydney comp and an everyone else comp. That's an awful way to go if you want a truly national (plus NZ) comp.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 10:25 amYeah, but... you'd be guaranteed there's not TWO Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 10:06 amYou've already pointed out it currently runs this way unofficially. This makes it official. Plus with the 2 conference winners meeting in the GF you MUST have a Sydney team in there. No longer will we have an aberration that was the 2015 GF.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:55 amHow will it? I don't in the slightest understand how it will, and just because people keep repeating it with no facts to back it up, it doesn't make it so.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:52 amAs per my original comment. It will help solidify the Sydney power base. We know it already exists and this proposal sets it in stone.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:33 am
And you'd be guaranteed there's NOT two Sydney teams.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
This won't work the way you guys are envisaging it.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
Now I just feel like I'm repeating myself.
The AFL would never consider a separate conference for Melbourne and another for the rest even if the Melbourne clubs would embrace it. They recognise it would be detrimental to the game as a whole. Their future is as a national code. For the NRL to go down this path would he a regressive action.
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It's not though, you're completely misunderstanding the whole concept. It's a national-based competition still, it's just more fairly divided into conferences that reflect the certain disadvantages out of Sydney clubs have with all their travel.
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Absolutely. We need to be pushing to a truly national competition, not pander to the parochialism of Sydney. The Daily Telegraph actually told us today that the Rothfield/Gould plan is to make the Sydney championship more valuable than the premiership. Seriously, they wrote that.Northern Raider wrote:That is true and one that wouldn't sit well with the power brokers. Either way it's flawed. Breaking it down into the basics. This proposal offers up a Sydney comp and an everyone else comp. That's an awful way to go if you want a truly national (plus NZ) comp.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 10:25 amYeah, but... you'd be guaranteed there's not TWO Sydney teams.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 10:06 amYou've already pointed out it currently runs this way unofficially. This makes it official. Plus with the 2 conference winners meeting in the GF you MUST have a Sydney team in there. No longer will we have an aberration that was the 2015 GF.The Nickman wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:55 amHow will it? I don't in the slightest understand how it will, and just because people keep repeating it with no facts to back it up, it doesn't make it so.Northern Raider wrote: ↑April 29, 2021, 9:52 am
As per my original comment. It will help solidify the Sydney power base. We know it already exists and this proposal sets it in stone.
Have a look at the last twenty years, there's only three years where there isn't a Sydney team, yet there's five years where there's two Sydney teams.
Now I just feel like I'm repeating myself.
The AFL would never consider a separate conference for Melbourne and another for the rest even if the Melbourne clubs would embrace it. They recognise it would be detrimental to the game as a whole. Their future is as a national code. For the NRL to go down this path would he a regressive action.
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The “other” conference would soon become an afterthought. It’s almost like instead of aiming for a National reserve grade comp they see it easier to just split the NRL to mirror the split NSW and QLD cups.
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You people are off your trees... could we at least have all of this nonsense combined into a single thread??