Agreed.BadnMean wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 9:09 am I don't think much blame goes to the pitch when all 4 results were just about in play in the final session Day 5 (Jadeja's injury notwithstanding). Especially when the bowling team drop 4 clear cut chances and the opposition end up 5 down... Innings scores between 340 and 240 all game... Wickets shared by quicks and spinners... Quick enough to break a bone for the quicks and spun enough for Lyon to be the key man on Day 5 (got 2 and had 2 or 3 dropped that would have opened the gate to the tail and further wickets).
I'd say that wicket did it's job.
It didn't break up -quite- as much Day 5 as some Sydney wickets but it was quite a wet, cool summer leading into the game.
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Starc looked tired yesterday. Genuinely tired. Thats what happens when you aren't used to going all 5 days. However, he produced 2 good spells yesterday that both lead to drops, so his none for, could have been 2+++BadnMean wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 9:10 amThe SCG isn't a drop in pitch. They've deliberately avoided it due to the lifeless nature of the old drop ins (Adelaides is ok though). It's the same old Sydney pitch- just the weather affected the prep minimally, Oz dropped a bunch of clangers, India batted well and Starc was bog ordinary for mine. Maybe they all looked a tiny bit flat.
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Do we have any word on Warner's groin or Puc's shoulder?
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Neither side took 20 wickets, coz neither side took their catches. Both teams dropped multiple chances in both innings. Im not sure how many, but here are a few I remember, Pant dropped Puc twice, Vihari dropped 1, even Rahane dropped 1. Abbott and Paine in the 2nd innings. Pretty sure Smith dropped 1 in the 1st innings. So, the bowlers did their job, and the fielders didn't back them up.Azza wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 9:16 am Not arguing Australia should have iced the game. Neither team took 20 wickets though, and with the quality of the bowling attacks (and the average nature of Australia's batting line up overall) that says something to me. This is not the first year the SCG has been like this either, as has already been pointed out.
I believe this pitch was better than the last 2yrs.
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Yep, blaming the deck is a bit of a cop out when so many catches were dropped. India also missed Jadeja in the 2nd innings. He's been an effective wicket taker this series. I'd also question Australia's bowling choices in that last session. Batsmen weren't running and it was a clear tactic to shield Ashwin from the quicks. Pace from both ends takes that away. Lyon wasn't really threatening on the last day and was probably over bowled. A few more overs for Labuschagne would have been worth a try.
Anyway it's all hindsight now and we don't know what would have happened otherwise.
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You aren't listening Matt. I didn't say australia shoudln't have won and blew their opportunities, nor that India didn't bat well, I'm saying there's been a pattern of ordinary SCG decks for a few years now.
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I heard that.
Im saying that this deck was fine.
Its better than the last 2
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I don't agree it was fine. Not an MCG stinker from 2-3 years back, but certainly not great.
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I thought Sydney went drop in a few years ago happy to be corrected.BadnMean wrote:The SCG isn't a drop in pitch. They've deliberately avoided it due to the lifeless nature of the old drop ins (Adelaides is ok though). It's the same old Sydney pitch- just the weather affected the prep minimally, Oz dropped a bunch of clangers, India batted well and Starc was bog ordinary for mine. Maybe they all looked a tiny bit flat.
Starc has looked underdone but was coming off a foot injury from memory.
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Bumrah ruled out of the Gabba test. That's their top 4 quicks all gone now plus Jadeja. No excuses for the Aussie bats now.
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The SCG formed a committee to look at it, but it hasn't been done. NSW Cricket and CA chairman are dead against it. Cricket being the reason the vast majority of members joined, I don't think they'll do it anytime soon.bonehead wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 11:16 am I thought Sydney went drop in a few years ago happy to be corrected.
Starc has looked underdone but was coming off a foot injury from memory.
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Nah, the square hasn't had the same traffic it normally has this year, that would be the main reason it held up so well.. but made for a dull test.bonehead wrote:I thought Sydney went drop in a few years ago happy to be corrected.BadnMean wrote:The SCG isn't a drop in pitch. They've deliberately avoided it due to the lifeless nature of the old drop ins (Adelaides is ok though). It's the same old Sydney pitch- just the weather affected the prep minimally, Oz dropped a bunch of clangers, India batted well and Starc was bog ordinary for mine. Maybe they all looked a tiny bit flat.
Starc has looked underdone but was coming off a foot injury from memory.
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Yeah that is a huge blow.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 3:48 pm Bumrah ruled out of the Gabba test. That's their top 4 quicks all gone now plus Jadeja. No excuses for the Aussie bats now.
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Should've left Joe Burns in the squad and lent him to them.
Think they've got 11 fit players
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would you say it's a bit of a pain in the bumrah for the Indian side?Azza wrote:Yeah that is a huge blow.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 3:48 pm Bumrah ruled out of the Gabba test. That's their top 4 quicks all gone now plus Jadeja. No excuses for the Aussie bats now.
Where's Instant Karma is he in the squad?
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Nope, he was injured and probably would only be fit for Brisbanebonehead wrote:would you say it's a bit of a pain in the bumrah for the Indian side?Azza wrote:Yeah that is a huge blow.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 3:48 pm Bumrah ruled out of the Gabba test. That's their top 4 quicks all gone now plus Jadeja. No excuses for the Aussie bats now.
Where's Instant Karma is he in the squad?
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Thats gangers level matebonehead wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 4:47 pmwould you say it's a bit of a pain in the bumrah for the Indian side?Azza wrote:Yeah that is a huge blow.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 3:48 pm Bumrah ruled out of the Gabba test. That's their top 4 quicks all gone now plus Jadeja. No excuses for the Aussie bats now.
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Pant dodgy elbow... hahahahaAzza wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 4:29 pmYeah that is a huge blow.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 3:48 pm Bumrah ruled out of the Gabba test. That's their top 4 quicks all gone now plus Jadeja. No excuses for the Aussie bats now.
Ashwin bad back
3 front line quicks - Shama, Yadev, Bumrah
Jadeja
Vihari
Thats rough!
Add in Kohli went home.
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I didn't get to watch the final day but did listen to the ABC broadcast a fair bit in the car. The commentators were critical of the amount of short stuff the Australians bowled. Not enough at the stumps. Dropped catches once again and Paine with gloves not taking chances an International keeper should swallow up they said. The side gets into good positions in matches but then doesn't finish the job. Full credit to the Indians for gutsy batting when it mattered.
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They've done pretty well considering. If that's Australia's injury ward we're really in trouble.Matt wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 7:21 pmPant dodgy elbow... hahahahaAzza wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 4:29 pmYeah that is a huge blow.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 3:48 pm Bumrah ruled out of the Gabba test. That's their top 4 quicks all gone now plus Jadeja. No excuses for the Aussie bats now.
Ashwin bad back
3 front line quicks - Shama, Yadev, Bumrah
Jadeja
Vihari
Thats rough!
Add in Kohli went home.
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Mohammed Shami out tooAzza wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 8:17 pmThey've done pretty well considering. If that's Australia's injury ward we're really in trouble.Matt wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 7:21 pmPant dodgy elbow... hahahahaAzza wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 4:29 pmYeah that is a huge blow.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 3:48 pm Bumrah ruled out of the Gabba test. That's their top 4 quicks all gone now plus Jadeja. No excuses for the Aussie bats now.
Ashwin bad back
3 front line quicks - Shama, Yadev, Bumrah
Jadeja
Vihari
Thats rough!
Add in Kohli went home.
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It was genuine bodyline approach. Well executed and didn't work so you have to say it was an error in strategy. Tim Paine copping the grief but Justin Langer would be equally guilty.RedRaider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 8:09 pm I didn't get to watch the final day but did listen to the ABC broadcast a fair bit in the car. The commentators were critical of the amount of short stuff the Australians bowled. Not enough at the stumps. Dropped catches once again and Paine with gloves not taking chances an International keeper should swallow up they said. The side gets into good positions in matches but then doesn't finish the job. Full credit to the Indians for gutsy batting when it mattered.
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Sorry, Shama, should read Shami. Did Ishant even travel here?Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 9:02 pmMohammed Shami out tooAzza wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 8:17 pmThey've done pretty well considering. If that's Australia's injury ward we're really in trouble.Matt wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 7:21 pmPant dodgy elbow... hahahahaAzza wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 4:29 pmYeah that is a huge blow.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 3:48 pm Bumrah ruled out of the Gabba test. That's their top 4 quicks all gone now plus Jadeja. No excuses for the Aussie bats now.
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The 7 commentators while Starc was bowling, should be looking to bowl a few yorkers with the short stuff, seeing as though he has a couple of good ones. Didnt bowl a single one. Once he bowled the 5th stump line no one was there to catch nicks.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 9:05 pmIt was genuine bodyline approach. Well executed and didn't work so you have to say it was an error in strategy. Tim Paine copping the grief but Justin Langer would be equally guilty.RedRaider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 8:09 pm I didn't get to watch the final day but did listen to the ABC broadcast a fair bit in the car. The commentators were critical of the amount of short stuff the Australians bowled. Not enough at the stumps. Dropped catches once again and Paine with gloves not taking chances an International keeper should swallow up they said. The side gets into good positions in matches but then doesn't finish the job. Full credit to the Indians for gutsy batting when it mattered.
Cummins bowled short or that 5th stump line. Very few at the wickets.
Hazelwood did try to hit the pads. He bowled very well. Good line and length, mixed with aiming at getting an LBW or bowled.
I still don't get why Green isn't used more regularly. Labu bowled more than he did on day 5.
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Green was fairly innocuous in all his spells so I can understand not using him more.Matt wrote: ↑January 13, 2021, 6:35 amThe 7 commentators while Starc was bowling, should be looking to bowl a few yorkers with the short stuff, seeing as though he has a couple of good ones. Didnt bowl a single one. Once he bowled the 5th stump line no one was there to catch nicks.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 9:05 pmIt was genuine bodyline approach. Well executed and didn't work so you have to say it was an error in strategy. Tim Paine copping the grief but Justin Langer would be equally guilty.RedRaider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 8:09 pm I didn't get to watch the final day but did listen to the ABC broadcast a fair bit in the car. The commentators were critical of the amount of short stuff the Australians bowled. Not enough at the stumps. Dropped catches once again and Paine with gloves not taking chances an International keeper should swallow up they said. The side gets into good positions in matches but then doesn't finish the job. Full credit to the Indians for gutsy batting when it mattered.
Cummins bowled short or that 5th stump line. Very few at the wickets.
Hazelwood did try to hit the pads. He bowled very well. Good line and length, mixed with aiming at getting an LBW or bowled.
I still don't get why Green isn't used more regularly. Labu bowled more than he did on day 5.
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John Lennon song, I can't not swap Ishant Sharma and Instant Karma (probably be seen as racist now, awaits moral compass true North cueball to arrive)Matt wrote:Thats gangers level matebonehead wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 4:47 pmwould you say it's a bit of a pain in the bumrah for the Indian side?Azza wrote:Yeah that is a huge blow.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 3:48 pm Bumrah ruled out of the Gabba test. That's their top 4 quicks all gone now plus Jadeja. No excuses for the Aussie bats now.
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I feel like he has been told to just bowl tight. Bowl that 5th stump line and the odd bouncer. Dont do anything tricky - coz he even did that vs the tail rather than attack the stumps to get that 1st wicket.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 13, 2021, 8:42 amGreen was fairly innocuous in all his spells so I can understand not using him more.Matt wrote: ↑January 13, 2021, 6:35 amThe 7 commentators while Starc was bowling, should be looking to bowl a few yorkers with the short stuff, seeing as though he has a couple of good ones. Didnt bowl a single one. Once he bowled the 5th stump line no one was there to catch nicks.Northern Raider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 9:05 pmIt was genuine bodyline approach. Well executed and didn't work so you have to say it was an error in strategy. Tim Paine copping the grief but Justin Langer would be equally guilty.RedRaider wrote: ↑January 12, 2021, 8:09 pm I didn't get to watch the final day but did listen to the ABC broadcast a fair bit in the car. The commentators were critical of the amount of short stuff the Australians bowled. Not enough at the stumps. Dropped catches once again and Paine with gloves not taking chances an International keeper should swallow up they said. The side gets into good positions in matches but then doesn't finish the job. Full credit to the Indians for gutsy batting when it mattered.
Cummins bowled short or that 5th stump line. Very few at the wickets.
Hazelwood did try to hit the pads. He bowled very well. Good line and length, mixed with aiming at getting an LBW or bowled.
I still don't get why Green isn't used more regularly. Labu bowled more than he did on day 5.
However, when he attacks the stumps, he looks better. TBH, so did Watto when played this role.
Id be telling him to bowl between middle and that 4th stump line, with the odd bouncer. Then set the field straight, look to get them playing across the line.
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Makes zero sense to get somebody to bowl a containment line when you're chasing wickets and the batsmen are not trying to score.
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AgreedNorthern Raider wrote: ↑January 13, 2021, 2:03 pm Makes zero sense to get somebody to bowl a containment line when you're chasing wickets and the batsmen are not trying to score.
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This is ducking hilarious if it’s not a pisstake. Let’s drop the best keeper in Australia who’s also the captain for the backup keeper from WA (who’s probably their 3rd in line option given they have 3 FC keepers in the XI he doesn’t make)
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best keeper batsman in the country, screw Painejulian87 wrote:This is ducking hilarious if it’s not a pisstake. Let’s drop the best keeper in Australia who’s also the captain for the backup keeper from WA (who’s probably their 3rd in line option given they have 3 FC keepers in the XI he doesn’t make)
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