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Who the hell is under appreciating tarps and his out of this world footwork into the line?????
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simo wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:01 pm Who the hell is under appreciating tarps and his out of this world footwork into the line?????
People, apparently.
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simo wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:01 pm Who the hell is under appreciating tarps and his out of this world footwork into the line?????
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afgtnk wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:04 pm
simo wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:01 pm Who the hell is under appreciating tarps and his out of this world footwork into the line?????
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Botman wrote: September 21, 2020, 2:08 pm
Seiffert82 wrote: September 21, 2020, 12:48 pm I suspect nobody will agree, but if you want to be fair dinkum about this discussion you have to ask if CHN or Young should be ahead of John Bateman in our starting forward pack.
The answer is no, JB is one of the best players in world and one of few players capable of creating points.
Consider it asked and answered.
Yeah, last year he was. I expected that to be the response, without any real substance supporting it. Bonus points for editing my post to remove the reasons for my opinion. Care to share what he has produced of note since he returned from injury?

Unfortunately at the moment he really isn't close to being one of the best players in the world. I hope he turns it around sooner rather than later, given he only has a few games left with us.
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afgtnk wrote: September 21, 2020, 2:10 pm Yeah drop John Bateman. That'll give us a better chance in big games.

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Quality contribution. Insightful as usual.
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Seiffert82 wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:08 pm
afgtnk wrote: September 21, 2020, 2:10 pm Yeah drop John Bateman. That'll give us a better chance in big games.

**** me
Quality contribution. Insightful as usual.
I can assure you it's more than the post deserved. It shouldn't need any insight for even the most simple of fans.

His class is permanent, any form is temporary. In the big matches when the pressure is ratcheted up and you need that something extra, the added dimension, it's players like Bateman who are one of a handful capable of making that step up and meeting the challenge by going to the next level.

He gets picked every single time.
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This is all just trolling yeah?
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afgtnk wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:14 pm
Seiffert82 wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:08 pm
afgtnk wrote: September 21, 2020, 2:10 pm Yeah drop John Bateman. That'll give us a better chance in big games.

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Quality contribution. Insightful as usual.
I can assure you it's more than the post deserved. It shouldn't need any insight for even the most simple of fans.

His class is permanent, any form is temporary. In the big matches when the pressure is ratcheted up and you need that something extra, the added dimension, it's players like Bateman who are one of a handful capable of making that step up and meeting the challenge by going to the next level.

He gets picked every single time.
Well, you hope you're right. At the moment our attack on that side of the field flat out sucks when he's out there. You reckon CNK is a problem with the ball... Bateman is offering us nothing.
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I love Bateman and I would never drop him, but Jordy Raps literally never gets the ball at centre. Cotric wouldn't have even needed to wash his jersey!
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simo wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:16 pm This is all just trolling yeah?
Yeah, sorry forgot you can't possibly question someone's form.
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The Nickman wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:21 pm I love Bateman and I would never drop him, but Jordy Raps literally never gets the ball at centre. Cotric wouldn't have even needed to wash his jersey!
Glad it's not only me that sees it. Curtis Scott hardly sees the ball either, except for taking hitups.

It's like it's impossible to question the performance of certain players at times.

Bateman is one of our biggest weapons out there, absolutely no question about it. Unfortunately he's also in very ordinary form and hasn't been close to one of our best.
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Seiffert82 wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:24 pm
The Nickman wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:21 pm I love Bateman and I would never drop him, but Jordy Raps literally never gets the ball at centre. Cotric wouldn't have even needed to wash his jersey!
Glad it's not only me that sees it. Curtis Scott hardly sees the ball either, except for taking hitups.

It's like it's impossible to question the performance of certain players at times.

Bateman is one of our biggest weapons out there, absolutely no question about it. Unfortunately he's also in very ordinary form and hasn't been close to one of our best.
Again, like Lui, there's intangibles that John Bateman brings to the team that would have me pencilling him in as one of the first each and every week. Is he playing at his best right now? No, he's not, but his sheer mongrel, determination and will to win is a factor you absolutely need out there at finals time, not to mention just his complete unpredictability.

We're a far better side with him out there, despite him not being at his best.
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The biggest question left unanswered is for 2021...

Which canberra cup teams will have Sutton, Young, Lui, Ryan James, HSS, Timoko and Valemi playing for them??

Im deadset concerned that this is the quality of player that likely wont make next years starting side and will have to play park footy given we dont have a feeder team.
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Botman wrote:
BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 2:51 pm I can’t think of many try causes by Dunamis.
He's got 3 according to Fox, Sutton has 1.
Nice cherry picking. If you believe the Fox Try Causes stats that is. There worse at judging that than their often diabolical try assists.

One try cause counted on Lui was when his outside defender didn’t move off the line with him.
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Seiffert82 wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:21 pm
simo wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:16 pm This is all just trolling yeah?
Yeah, sorry forgot you can't possibly question someone's form.
Questioning form is one thing, questioning his spot in the side is just stupidity. Dont try and roll it in glitter like you see the game on some higher level.
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BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:32 pm
Botman wrote:
BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 2:51 pm I can’t think of many try causes by Dunamis.
He's got 3 according to Fox, Sutton has 1.
Nice cherry picking. If you believe the Fox Try Causes stats that is. There worse at judging that than their often diabolical try assists.

One try cause counted on Lui was when his outside defender didn’t move off the line with him.
Well, lui should have moved him off the line. Not hard
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simo wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:37 pm
BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:32 pm
Botman wrote:
BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 2:51 pm I can’t think of many try causes by Dunamis.
He's got 3 according to Fox, Sutton has 1.
Nice cherry picking. If you believe the Fox Try Causes stats that is. There worse at judging that than their often diabolical try assists.

One try cause counted on Lui was when his outside defender didn’t move off the line with him.
Well, lui should have moved him off the line. Not hard
Good point, I hate Lui now, we all do. Let's drop him!
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simo wrote:
BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:32 pm
Botman wrote:
BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 2:51 pm I can’t think of many try causes by Dunamis.
He's got 3 according to Fox, Sutton has 1.
Nice cherry picking. If you believe the Fox Try Causes stats that is. There worse at judging that than their often diabolical try assists.

One try cause counted on Lui was when his outside defender didn’t move off the line with him.
Well, lui should have moved him off the line. Not hard
I guess I can’t hold him to the Papalli level of prop play.

Papa would have tackled all 13 attackers at the same time (if the ref hadn’t been so poorly positioned and in the way).
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BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:43 pm
simo wrote:
BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:32 pm
Botman wrote:
BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 2:51 pm I can’t think of many try causes by Dunamis.
He's got 3 according to Fox, Sutton has 1.
Nice cherry picking. If you believe the Fox Try Causes stats that is. There worse at judging that than their often diabolical try assists.

One try cause counted on Lui was when his outside defender didn’t move off the line with him.
Well, lui should have moved him off the line. Not hard
I guess I can’t hold him to the Papalli level of prop play.

Papa would have tackled all 13 attackers at the same time (if the ref hadn’t been so poorly positioned and in the way).
I think you might be forgetting about one Joseph Tapine in this scenario, aren't you? Overlooking him even?

Typical.
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Good point. Taps would have also created a try opportunity for us making it a 12 point turnaround.
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I have a point?
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BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:32 pm
Botman wrote:
BJ wrote: September 21, 2020, 2:51 pm I can’t think of many try causes by Dunamis.
He's got 3 according to Fox, Sutton has 1.
Nice cherry picking. If you believe the Fox Try Causes stats that is. There worse at judging that than their often diabolical try assists.

One try cause counted on Lui was when his outside defender didn’t move off the line with him.
It’s not cherry picking
It’s just stating the facts as per fox sports lab. If you’ve got issues with their methods that’s fine but I’ve found it to be the best and most reliable publicly available stats.

Point is my eyes tell me Sutton is just as good a defender as Lui and the stats more than back that up. I think they’re both good players and I’ve got no qualms with anyone who has Lui over Sutton. They’re both good players who offer slightly different things
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simo wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:36 pm
Seiffert82 wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:21 pm
simo wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:16 pm This is all just trolling yeah?
Yeah, sorry forgot you can't possibly question someone's form.
Questioning form is one thing, questioning his spot in the side is just stupidity. Dont try and roll it in glitter like you see the game on some higher level.
Mate, there's a thread about our strongest forward pack and I've made a comment about the form of one of our forwards in that thread.

I appreciate your need to put me in a box because you almost never agree with what I've say, but with all due respect I'll continue to share my thoughts irrespective of what you think of them.
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Honestly, I think every single person who has posted in this thread today is wrong... except for me.

But, ESPECIALLY me.
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Seiffert82 wrote: September 21, 2020, 4:51 pm
simo wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:36 pm
Seiffert82 wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:21 pm
simo wrote: September 21, 2020, 3:16 pm This is all just trolling yeah?
Yeah, sorry forgot you can't possibly question someone's form.
Questioning form is one thing, questioning his spot in the side is just stupidity. Dont try and roll it in glitter like you see the game on some higher level.
Mate, there's a thread about our strongest forward pack and I've made a comment about the form of one of our forwards in that thread.

I appreciate your need to put me in a box because you almost never agree with what I've say, but with all due respect I'll continue to share my thoughts irrespective of what you think of them.
I never said i wanted you to stop sharing your opinion. I said it was stupid. Its good to have a low point for reference
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I don't think I'd play Sia in a final with no footy in three months, not when we have a lot of experience in the pack as it is.

If he can get some minutes and play well this weekend then the debate heats up, failing that I'm fine to roll the dice on our current middle forward rotation. I think all of them have been really good for the last 6-8 weeks.
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I love Sia to death but at the moment with the ways our pack is playing i'm not bringing him in to replace anyone. I think he is perfect as first up if anyone goes down but don't play him for sentimental sakes.
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For me, Sia sits out until a space pops up....it's a no brainer really.
Next year, when JB returns to England, CHN should be given the chance with a solid preseason to nail that edge position.
In no world do I see Young ever dropping back...
You need to be clinically blind not to see the way he impacts our games both in attack and defence....that footwork and support play at the line in particular are fantastic....the kid has huge potential provided he keeps his nose clean.

For 2021...

8. Papa
9. Hodgo
10. Lui
11. Whitehead
12. CHN
13. Tapine

14. Young
15. Horse
16. Guler/Sutton (take your pick)
17. Starling

18. Sia
19. Liva

Obviously I've left out James...don't know what were getting physically....he's a great leader, but so is Sia.
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No way we can keep all our forwards...Surely we lose a couple fairly soon?
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I love Sia, but I'm not sold on the logic of signing him up for anything other than a coaching / club role...
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Sia or CHN for the last spot for me.

Young, Lui and Sutton all play.

SIA if he shows his fit enough for a 25
Minute cameo full steam ahead.
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Redundant debate. There will be an injury and/or suspension.
Having depth means Sia gets a run.

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Horace Dove-Edwin wrote: September 21, 2020, 9:19 pm Redundant debate. There will be an injury and/or suspension.
Having depth means Sia gets a run.

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:lol: :lol:
This is probably the best and most accurate response of the lot.
Well played, sir.
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Botman wrote:
Horace Dove-Edwin wrote: September 21, 2020, 9:19 pm Redundant debate. There will be an injury and/or suspension.
Having depth means Sia gets a run.

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This is probably the best and most accurate response of the lot.
Well played, sir.
Hope there's not but we've got the dirty Sharks probably 2 weeks in a row, then Parra and Roosters before the Grand Final.

All physical games with niggle.

Could be a back that goes down. CHN then covers a centre spot.
And that's if Curtis is still out.

This is starting to numb my brain.

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