And let’s not forget that Blake Ferguson going AWOL is probably just the media making crap up. I’m sure there’s nothing in it, let’s just wait to hear from Blake before we jump to any conclusionsgergreg wrote:Cat....
Curtis Scott.... I think we should wait until the evidence is reviewed and the court case runs it's course.
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That's nice of your cop mate. I have cop friends who still think Curtis is at fault and see no issue with what was done.BadnMean wrote: ↑September 18, 2020, 11:07 amAFP usually have a higher standard of qualification than NSW police.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑September 18, 2020, 8:46 am I said this way back in Jan/Feb when this was all going down but some people have way too much blind faith in police. Yes, some cops are good people... but this is typical behaviour from NSW police when they think nobody is watching. I've seen some absolutely horrific arrests in Sydney on people who were in no way a threat as they were too drunk or high to stand or even open their eyes. As a contrast, police in the ACT from my experience are generally less prone to crossing the legal line in the way NSW police do... there are some pricks but they definitely don't carry on like thugs in the same way. It's a culture thing, for sure.
@bonehead - if your copper mates who are shocked and angered by their peers' actions are based in Sydney... then they're surely having a laugh because they would know damn well how some of their peers like to carry on.
One of my best mates is an AFP detective (we went to the GF together last season actually, massive Raiders fan) and he said he would have been utterly ashamed to be associated with what went on at that arrest, utterly ashamed.
He also commented it is VERY hard to get police sanctioned or held accountable for poor behaviour on the job also though- whether you are Joe Public or Joe Copper.
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Canberra Raiders centre Curtis Scott set to sue police for over $100,000 after ‘traumatic’ arrest
Curtis Scott is set to seek compensation after being wrongfully arrested, Tasered and pepper sprayed by police after boozy Australia Day celebrations. Scott is expected to sue the NSW police for over $100,000 in damages.
Scott’s lawyer Sam Macedone indicated over a week ago that he would be seeking that amount for his client but that it was up to the Raiders centre to make a decision.
Read more: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... e926d359ee
Curtis Scott is set to seek compensation after being wrongfully arrested, Tasered and pepper sprayed by police after boozy Australia Day celebrations. Scott is expected to sue the NSW police for over $100,000 in damages.
Scott’s lawyer Sam Macedone indicated over a week ago that he would be seeking that amount for his client but that it was up to the Raiders centre to make a decision.
Read more: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... e926d359ee
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Commissioner Mick Fuller defends NSW Police officers who tasered Canberra Raiders centre Curtis Scott
NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller has defended the officers who arrested NRL star Curtis Scott despite it being deemed “unlawful” before the case was embarrassingly dismissed.
“I watched the entirety of the event and I think sometimes you need to watch the entirety of the event to get it in context,’’ Fuller told 2GB. “Often in these situations, it does escalate — there’s nothing we can do about that, if the individual is not going to comply with a reasonable direction.”
Read more: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-1334297
NRL player to sue police for huge figure after 'unlawful' arrest: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-1330648
NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller has defended the officers who arrested NRL star Curtis Scott despite it being deemed “unlawful” before the case was embarrassingly dismissed.
“I watched the entirety of the event and I think sometimes you need to watch the entirety of the event to get it in context,’’ Fuller told 2GB. “Often in these situations, it does escalate — there’s nothing we can do about that, if the individual is not going to comply with a reasonable direction.”
Read more: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-1334297
NRL player to sue police for huge figure after 'unlawful' arrest: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-1330648
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I jokingly said a week ago that if they want to x-ray the leg they should just remove the plate.
Next patient please.
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More like Mark Fuller-s**t, M I RITE?!
Nailed it.
Nailed it.
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Botman wrote:More like Mark Fuller-s**t, M I RITE?!
Nailed it.
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The Graham Annesley of the NSW police force.greeneyed wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 3:01 pm Commissioner Mick Fuller defends NSW Police officers who tasered Canberra Raiders centre Curtis Scott
NSW Police Commissioner Mick Fuller has defended the officers who arrested NRL star Curtis Scott despite it being deemed “unlawful” before the case was embarrassingly dismissed.
“I watched the entirety of the event and I think sometimes you need to watch the entirety of the event to get it in context,’’ Fuller told 2GB. “Often in these situations, it does escalate — there’s nothing we can do about that, if the individual is not going to comply with a reasonable direction.”
Read more: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-1334297
NRL player to sue police for huge figure after 'unlawful' arrest: https://7news.com.au/sport/rugby-league ... -c-1330648
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Pity the NSW police commissioner was too busy speaking on 2gb radio to Instead provide his damning evidence at the actual trial in front of the magistrate.
Can’t he see that his radio interview gives more credence to those who claim that inappropriate policing procedures comes from the top.
Can’t he see that his radio interview gives more credence to those who claim that inappropriate policing procedures comes from the top.
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He has to be kidding, right? The whole country's seen the video now. It's patently obvious that NSW Police escalated and kept escalating.
But then this is also the guy who thinks sexually assaulting minors at music festivals is acceptable and wants the public to "fear" NSW Police, so...
But then this is also the guy who thinks sexually assaulting minors at music festivals is acceptable and wants the public to "fear" NSW Police, so...
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Yes, because cops are literally raping children at music festivals... pleaseraiderskater wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 7:32 pm He has to be kidding, right? The whole country's seen the video now. It's patently obvious that NSW Police escalated and kept escalating.
But then this is also the guy who thinks sexually assaulting minors at music festivals is acceptable and wants the public to "fear" NSW Police, so...
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the kids who hide condoms full of pingas where they can't be searched?Finchy wrote:Yes, because cops are literally raping children at music festivals... pleaseraiderskater wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 7:32 pm He has to be kidding, right? The whole country's seen the video now. It's patently obvious that NSW Police escalated and kept escalating.
But then this is also the guy who thinks sexually assaulting minors at music festivals is acceptable and wants the public to "fear" NSW Police, so...
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Then it ain't coming out until nature comes calling. Cops can't do cavity searches, and can't touch them during strip searches (which are done by cops of the same gender). EDIT to retrieve it, then yes, rape. And jail time.bonehead wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 8:40 pmthe kids who hide condoms full of pingas where they can't be searched?Finchy wrote:Yes, because cops are literally raping children at music festivals... pleaseraiderskater wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 7:32 pm He has to be kidding, right? The whole country's seen the video now. It's patently obvious that NSW Police escalated and kept escalating.
But then this is also the guy who thinks sexually assaulting minors at music festivals is acceptable and wants the public to "fear" NSW Police, so...
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Can’t, but sometimes do.Finchy wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 9:03 pmThen it ain't coming out until nature comes calling. Cops can't do cavity searches, and can't touch them during strip searches (which are done by cops of the same gender). EDIT to retrieve it, then yes, rape. And jail time.bonehead wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 8:40 pmthe kids who hide condoms full of pingas where they can't be searched?Finchy wrote:Yes, because cops are literally raping children at music festivals... pleaseraiderskater wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 7:32 pm He has to be kidding, right? The whole country's seen the video now. It's patently obvious that NSW Police escalated and kept escalating.
But then this is also the guy who thinks sexually assaulting minors at music festivals is acceptable and wants the public to "fear" NSW Police, so...
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I would’ve thought the Scott incident shows well enough the risk of dismissing concerns about police conduct because “there are rules against that”.
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Strip searches (legal or otherwise) is not rape. Telling some to lift up their **** or squat is not the same as rape.Smurfette wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 10:17 pmCan’t, but sometimes do.Finchy wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 9:03 pmThen it ain't coming out until nature comes calling. Cops can't do cavity searches, and can't touch them during strip searches (which are done by cops of the same gender). EDIT to retrieve it, then yes, rape. And jail time.bonehead wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 8:40 pmthe kids who hide condoms full of pingas where they can't be searched?Finchy wrote:Yes, because cops are literally raping children at music festivals... pleaseraiderskater wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 7:32 pm He has to be kidding, right? The whole country's seen the video now. It's patently obvious that NSW Police escalated and kept escalating.
But then this is also the guy who thinks sexually assaulting minors at music festivals is acceptable and wants the public to "fear" NSW Police, so...
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I would’ve thought the Scott incident shows well enough the risk of dismissing concerns about police conduct because “there are rules against that”.
Clearly the Curtis Scott incident shows that procedures aren't always followed by police (look out 100K payout!), but I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that the Commissioner of Police thinks raping children is acceptable. That's what I have issue with.
If people hate cops and think kids should be allowed to take drugs at festivals, so be it. Go vote for the Greens. But not agreeing with police having the power to strip search someone doesn't mean cops are literally raping children. And if some are, lock em up and castrate them
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The only person who has mentioned rape is you. raiderskater said sexual assault. I know you know they’re not the same thing.
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Um, actually they totally are the same thing.
Sexual assault is the legal term for rape. Rape is the colloquial term. You rape someone, you get charged with sexual assault.
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I even tried to give you an out. Rape is a kind of sexual assault. But there are many other types of sexual assault that are not rape.
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Sexual assault is not the offence name everywhere in Australia. I’m quite sure raiderskater meant sexual assault in the broader sense.
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I don't see strip search in the definition. S.61I and S.61HA of the Crimes Act give some pretty graphic definitions of what constitutes sexual assault though. And all look pretty "rapey" to me.
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https://www.wlsnsw.org.au/resources/sex ... l-assault/Finchy wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 10:47 pmI don't see strip search in the definition. S.61I and S.61HA of the Crimes Act give some pretty graphic definitions of what constitutes sexual assault though. And all look pretty "rapey" to me.
note the reference to "abuse of power".
And having heard the disgusting remarks of the fluoro clowns on duty outside Bruce Stadium when bomb-testing my daughter - just shut up.
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Yeah, look, I’d sit down right now if I were you, Finchy
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What garbage. That's isn't the Crime Act, it's womens legal advice. Which is contradictory and wrong mind you. It starts by telling us that sexual assault basically means anything you want it to mean.Lui_Bon wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 11:49 pmhttps://www.wlsnsw.org.au/resources/sex ... l-assault/Finchy wrote: ↑September 22, 2020, 10:47 pmI don't see strip search in the definition. S.61I and S.61HA of the Crimes Act give some pretty graphic definitions of what constitutes sexual assault though. And all look pretty "rapey" to me.
note the reference to "abuse of power".
And having heard the disgusting remarks of the fluoro clowns on duty outside Bruce Stadium when bomb-testing my daughter - just shut up.
"Showing indecent images to another person" or "doing something sexual that makes you feel uncomfortable" is not sexual assault. Otherwise Mitchell Pearce "sexually assaulted" me because it made me uncomfortable watching him dry hump a dog on camera. That's site's definition is ridiculously broad, and not inline with what legislation actually says, or what people are actually charged with. Show me case law where someone has been charged with sexual assault for showing someone an indecent image.
Indecent assault, sexual touching, sexual act, etc, are separate offences, and are not a "type of sexual assault". If they were, they'd all be listed under S,61I of the Crime Act. They aren't. They're listed separately under their own sections, under Division 10 - sexual offences against adults and children. Sexual offences, not sexual assaults. Sexual assault is a type of sexual offence. Yet that site seems to claim all sexual offences are sexual assaults. They aren't.
The definition of rape is sexual intercourse without consent.
The definition of sexual assault is sexual intercourse without consent.
Indecent assault, sexual touching, sexual act, do not meet the definition of sexual assault, as there is no penetration (oral or otherwise), therefore no intercourse.
I'm not sure what cops saying offensive things to your daughter has to do with whether they rape children or not, but I'm not arguing "all cops are perfect", I'm disputing the assertion that they rape children at music festivals. So I won't "shut up".
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Yeah, nah. Just letting people claim cops are raping children at music festivals doesn't sit right with me for a number of reasons. Question the legality of searching them all you want, but leave out the ridiculous exaggerations. An example of a female cop telling a female teen to squat when being searched is not sexual assault.The Nickman wrote: ↑September 23, 2020, 7:08 am Yeah, look, I’d sit down right now if I were you, Finchy
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Sexual assault can go well beyond just rape, Finchy. If you don't understand that then you don't understand sexual assault, the conversation at hand, and you should indeed sit down.
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The actual law, and what people are actually charged with, says otherwise Nickman.The Nickman wrote: ↑September 23, 2020, 10:02 am Sexual assault can go well beyond just rape, Finchy. If you don't understand that then you don't understand sexual assault, the conversation at hand, and you should indeed sit down.
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If you can't understand that people AREN'T saying that cops are raping children at music festivals then you're being deliberately obtuseFinchy wrote: ↑September 23, 2020, 10:08 amThe actual law, and what people are actually charged with, says otherwise Nickman.The Nickman wrote: ↑September 23, 2020, 10:02 am Sexual assault can go well beyond just rape, Finchy. If you don't understand that then you don't understand sexual assault, the conversation at hand, and you should indeed sit down.
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They may not mean that, but technically and legally speaking that’s exactly what they’re saying. That’s my issue. Strip searches (whether you agree with them or not) are not sexual assaults by definition. If people think they are, the law says otherwise.The Nickman wrote: ↑September 23, 2020, 10:18 amIf you can't understand that people AREN'T saying that cops are raping children at music festivals then you're being deliberately obtuseFinchy wrote: ↑September 23, 2020, 10:08 amThe actual law, and what people are actually charged with, says otherwise Nickman.The Nickman wrote: ↑September 23, 2020, 10:02 am Sexual assault can go well beyond just rape, Finchy. If you don't understand that then you don't understand sexual assault, the conversation at hand, and you should indeed sit down.
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So then, Finchy, if a guy grabs at my boob when I haven't told him he can, what is it then, if not sexual assault? Because I'm pretty sure in most jurisdictions it would be classed as a sexual assault.
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You'd be wrong. It's sexual touching (previously known as indecent assault), different offence. S.61KC of the Crimes Act 1900, and further defined under S.61HB. Think Fergo post-origin.raiderskater wrote: ↑September 23, 2020, 5:45 pm So then, Finchy, if a guy grabs at my boob when I haven't told him he can, what is it then, if not sexual assault? Because I'm pretty sure in most jurisdictions it would be classed as a sexual assault.
Still horrible and criminal behaviour obviously, but not sexual assault, legally speaking.
Despite some saying sexual assault is basically anything that makes you feel uncomfortable or showing photos, I can guarantee the offender would not (and could not) be charged with sexual assault. Which is why Fergo wasn't charged with sexual assault, it was indecent assault (no intercourse).
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Well, this thread certainly took a left hand turn! Talk about information overload.
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The Canberra Times reporting that the magistrate in Curtis Scott's case will determine if the police prosecutors will have to pay the $100,000 legal costs of the defendant. Also Sam Macedone saying Scott has yet to decide whether to pursue legal action against the police: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14239
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I hope this things ends quickly and Curtis can do his thing on the field.
Id love to see him at his best. He has a lot of potential.
Id love to see him at his best. He has a lot of potential.
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‘Would’ve been safer if he was hit by a car’: Curtis Scott in tears as judge awards $100,000, blasts police
A magistrate has slammed the NSW Police’s handling of Canberra Raiders centre Curtis Scott’s arrest. Mr Scott was on Friday awarded more than $100,000 in legal costs.
“I genuinely think Mr Scott might have been safer if he wandered onto the roadway and been hit by a car,” Ms Giles said. “He would have at least still been free to his hands, been upright and conscious and would have got an ambulance much quicker than he did with these police.
Read more: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... fe2ed18ff1
Judge blasts police and awards NRL gun Curtis Scott huge payout: https://7news.com.au/news/crime/nrl-sta ... -c-1342646
NSW court awards Canberra Raiders' Curtis Scott $100k in legal costs: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14260
A magistrate has slammed the NSW Police’s handling of Canberra Raiders centre Curtis Scott’s arrest. Mr Scott was on Friday awarded more than $100,000 in legal costs.
“I genuinely think Mr Scott might have been safer if he wandered onto the roadway and been hit by a car,” Ms Giles said. “He would have at least still been free to his hands, been upright and conscious and would have got an ambulance much quicker than he did with these police.
Read more: https://www.foxsports.com.au/nrl/nrl-pr ... fe2ed18ff1
Judge blasts police and awards NRL gun Curtis Scott huge payout: https://7news.com.au/news/crime/nrl-sta ... -c-1342646
NSW court awards Canberra Raiders' Curtis Scott $100k in legal costs: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14260