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Seen the video now. Can't believe the cops pushed on with charges following this. No excuse for Scott to be in that situation but very poorly handled by the authorities IMO. They created a major incident out of a relatively minor one.
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The cops are embarrassing..
The guy got charged for taking a snooze...ridiculous.
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I'd like to see Scott pursue an assault charge against the officers. Perhaps defamation as well.

This country desperately needs a high profile case where an officer is convicted of assault after abusing their power. Scott's case would be just the right one.

But if he just wanted to move on and focus on footy I wouldn't blame him.
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Hahahah wheres all those people claiming the police are right yadda yadda and that they dont charge people for no reason and the media know the whole court transcript so they wouldnt ride the back of false claims?


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NWA said it best....
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Elcaptcroker wrote: September 9, 2020, 5:43 pm Hahahah wheres all those people claiming the police are right yadda yadda and that they dont charge people for no reason and the media know the whole court transcript so they wouldnt ride the back of false claims?


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I wonder if this strengthens our hand in moving him on
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What a complete and utter cluster of a situation.

Hopefully lessons were learnt all 'round.

I wonder if the mysterious knee injury is related to the timing of this?
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The Nickman wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:01 pm
Elcaptcroker wrote: September 9, 2020, 5:43 pm Hahahah wheres all those people claiming the police are right yadda yadda and that they dont charge people for no reason and the media know the whole court transcript so they wouldnt ride the back of false claims?


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Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:13 pm I wonder if this strengthens our hand in moving him on
How do you figure? He has been better than Croker lately anyway
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Raiders666 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:18 pm
Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:13 pm I wonder if this strengthens our hand in moving him on
How do you figure? He has been better than Croker lately anyway
We aren’t going to move our captain. My thinking is that as he has no police record, other clubs might be more willing to take a punt; particularly if we pay some of the transit

We need a strike backline player as well which we don’t have
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Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:22 pm
Raiders666 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:18 pm
Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:13 pm I wonder if this strengthens our hand in moving him on
How do you figure? He has been better than Croker lately anyway
We aren’t going to move our captain. My thinking is that as he has no police record, other clubs might be more willing to take a punt; particularly if we pay some of the transit

We need a strike backline player as well which we don’t have
I think Scott has more upside than Croker and Rapana.....I'd be keeping him
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Gee extraordinary footage. Crazy behaviour by the police.

Having said that, it is not good enough for a professional athlete to be so paralytic that he is in that situation to begin with.
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I was (and am) very critical of Scott for the way he got himself into that situation, but that footage is a dead set embarrassment for the police.

"Don't resist! Don't resist mate!" the 3 officers implore the sleeping drunk as they gently place the handcuffs around his limp wrists. :lol:

They obviously have never seen him play. He's no chance of breaking out of anything, even when sober.
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Raiders666 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:31 pm
Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:22 pm
Raiders666 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:18 pm
Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:13 pm I wonder if this strengthens our hand in moving him on
How do you figure? He has been better than Croker lately anyway
We aren’t going to move our captain. My thinking is that as he has no police record, other clubs might be more willing to take a punt; particularly if we pay some of the transit

We need a strike backline player as well which we don’t have
I think Scott has more upside than Croker and Rapana.....I'd be keeping him
What games are you watching? Croker on current form is arguable however Rapana is miles better than Scott even taking into consideration his regression.

Rapana can at least break a tackle and tackle a bloke
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Seiffert82 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:54 pm I was (and am) very critical of Scott for the way he got himself into that situation, but that footage is a dead set embarrassment for the police.

"Don't resist! Don't resist mate!" the 3 officers implore the sleeping drunk as they gently place the handcuffs around his limp wrists. :lol:

They obviously have never seen him play. He's no chance of breaking out of anything, even when sober.
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Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:57 pm
Raiders666 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:31 pm
Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:22 pm
Raiders666 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:18 pm
Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:13 pm I wonder if this strengthens our hand in moving him on
How do you figure? He has been better than Croker lately anyway
We aren’t going to move our captain. My thinking is that as he has no police record, other clubs might be more willing to take a punt; particularly if we pay some of the transit

We need a strike backline player as well which we don’t have
I think Scott has more upside than Croker and Rapana.....I'd be keeping him
What games are you watching? Croker on current form is arguable however Rapana is miles better than Scott even taking into consideration his regression.

Rapana can at least break a tackle and tackle a bloke
Rapana has what? 1? 2? more years ahead of him? I just think Scott can come good..I'm thinking more for the future. We aren't winning the comp with the Backline we have this yr..The drop in form is alarming
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Curtis Scott to seek legal costs and may lodge complaint after assault charges thrown out

Curtis Scott's legal team will return to court on Thursday seeking legal costs while the Raiders centre may yet lodge a formal complaint against NSW Police after five charges against him were thrown out of court on Wednesday.

"We're asking for costs to be paid. We're going to plead guilty to those other two small things he's agreed to plead guilty to," lawyer Sam Macedone said.

Read more: https://www.canberratimes.com.au/story/ ... /?cs=14237

VIDEO: Canberra Raiders centre Curtis Scott cleared of assaulting police after arrest deemed unlawful. Nine News reports: http://ow.ly/9uTF50BlKmb
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There’s a great big piece missing in this whole story. When, and why was a taser and pepper spray used. I understand that due to the footage shown that any charges after that point of wrongful arrest is inadmissible due to the circumstance, but the rhetoric on here tonight is that it was a poor little guy just having a sleep and the big bad police did him wrong. The gap in the footage released today, and the footage of him being put in the wagon that was previously released would be the interesting part... what did he do to warrant a taser and capsicum spray even though he was already handcuffed?
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Coastalraider wrote: September 9, 2020, 7:51 pm There’s a great big piece missing in this whole story. When, and why was a taser and pepper spray used. I understand that due to the footage shown that any charges after that point of wrongful arrest is inadmissible due to the circumstance, but the rhetoric on here tonight is that it was a poor little guy just having a sleep and the big bad police did him wrong. The gap in the footage released today, and the footage of him being put in the wagon that was previously released would be the interesting part... what did he do to warrant a taser and capsicum spray even though he was already handcuffed?
Seriously any credibility those officers had evaporated with the staged for the camera ‘don’t resist mate’ comments.
Pretty disgraceful and imo the fact that it got to this stage is outrageous. Clearly agenda driven and I hope that Scott gets awarded costs and those police officers are reprimanded or worse.
It’s pretty disgraceful that Scott has been pilloried and has had to endure this garbage whilst Mr and Mrs shameful nsw police get anonymity thus hiding their incompetence and embarrassment to joe public.
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Police certainly didn’t do their reputation any favours with that effort.

They created a bad situation by starting off on the wrong track.

I hope Scott lets it go now. Not worth chasing any more than the legal fees. He needs to learn from the event and focus on becoming a better footballer.
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Coastalraider wrote: September 9, 2020, 7:51 pm There’s a great big piece missing in this whole story. When, and why was a taser and pepper spray used. I understand that due to the footage shown that any charges after that point of wrongful arrest is inadmissible due to the circumstance, but the rhetoric on here tonight is that it was a poor little guy just having a sleep and the big bad police did him wrong. The gap in the footage released today, and the footage of him being put in the wagon that was previously released would be the interesting part... what did he do to warrant a taser and capsicum spray even though he was already handcuffed?
The “poor little guy” was absolute hammered and clearly incapable of providing much, if any resistance and as per the judge who has seen the body cam footage of an unlawful arrest and reportedly assaults by police on Scott, the “big bad police” did indeed do him wrong

I’d sit this one out mate
It’s plainly clear that police were to totally and completely out of line here
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Seiffert82 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:54 pm I was (and am) very critical of Scott for the way he got himself into that situation, but that footage is a dead set embarrassment for the police.

"Don't resist! Don't resist mate!" the 3 officers implore the sleeping drunk as they gently place the handcuffs around his limp wrists. :lol:

They obviously have never seen him play. He's no chance of breaking out of anything, even when sober.
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And it's not like NSW Police don't have a well-deserved reputation for being bullies and abusing their power. Perhaps Scott ought to be grateful he's just a drunk guy and not a teenage girl wanting to go to a music festival, so it's just regular assault instead of sexual assault.
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I've just seen the video on SMH. It was a gross abuse of power by the police and their assault allegations were laughable. There was not one shred of evidence to support the police claims. I am very surprised the police would take this to court to prosecute. Furthermore, the police were also given opportunities to settle outside of court by Scott's legal team on several occasions.

Imagine Greenberg standing Scott down based on the no fault stand down policy; at the time it was said it was very close. I hope Scott gets some justice by having his costs paid.
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Yep. This outcome proved a perfect example of the problem with standing down players before a court case.
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Rickmando wrote: September 9, 2020, 9:36 pm
Seiffert82 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:54 pm I was (and am) very critical of Scott for the way he got himself into that situation, but that footage is a dead set embarrassment for the police.

"Don't resist! Don't resist mate!" the 3 officers implore the sleeping drunk as they gently place the handcuffs around his limp wrists. :lol:

They obviously have never seen him play. He's no chance of breaking out of anything, even when sober.
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Raiders666 wrote: September 9, 2020, 7:27 pm
Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:57 pm
Raiders666 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:31 pm
Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:22 pm
Raiders666 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:18 pm

How do you figure? He has been better than Croker lately anyway
We aren’t going to move our captain. My thinking is that as he has no police record, other clubs might be more willing to take a punt; particularly if we pay some of the transit

We need a strike backline player as well which we don’t have
I think Scott has more upside than Croker and Rapana.....I'd be keeping him
What games are you watching? Croker on current form is arguable however Rapana is miles better than Scott even taking into consideration his regression.

Rapana can at least break a tackle and tackle a bloke
Rapana has what? 1? 2? more years ahead of him? I just think Scott can come good..I'm thinking more for the future. We aren't winning the comp with the Backline we have this yr..The drop in form is alarming
How far in the future do you want to look and how much upside do you see?

Scott is not some bloke as far as I can see with massive potential for improvement like a Stephen Crichton or Zac Lomax just to point at some common examples. At best he is an average first grader, so therefore the argument should be based true on who is the better player now and not how many years as he got as a professional player. In that case, it is clearly Rapana.

Also, I don’t like this attitude of looking beyond 12-24 months too much. If your squad is strong outside of a few areas then you don’t think of waiting around, or seeing how it goes in a year or two, you try and improve it straight away because you don’t know know how long the opportunity is
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BJ wrote: September 9, 2020, 9:56 pm Yep. This outcome proved a perfect example of the problem with standing down players before a court case.
How so? Scott would still have been paid, still have been allowed into the COVID bubble and still allowed to train with the boys. He'd then be free to be named now. I know that's not ideal, and he'd be lacking match fitness, but it's hardly like being sacked.

I assume you're hinting at de Belin, and I have never had any problem with him being stood down. The optics of that case are appalling. At best he's a dirtbag who cheated on his pregnant wife (since de Belin's team don't seem to be arguing that no sexual relation took place), and at worst he's a gang rapist. The NRL would be crucified for allowing a rapist to play if they did and the court finds him guilty.
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raiderskater wrote: September 9, 2020, 10:19 pm
BJ wrote: September 9, 2020, 9:56 pm Yep. This outcome proved a perfect example of the problem with standing down players before a court case.
How so? Scott would still have been paid, still have been allowed into the COVID bubble and still allowed to train with the boys. He'd then be free to be named now. I know that's not ideal, and he'd be lacking match fitness, but it's hardly like being sacked.

I assume you're hinting at de Belin, and I have never had any problem with him being stood down. The optics of that case are appalling. At best he's a dirtbag who cheated on his pregnant wife (since de Belin's team don't seem to be arguing that no sexual relation took place), and at worst he's a gang rapist. The NRL would be crucified for allowing a rapist to play if they did and the court finds him guilty.
I was referring to Scott in the context of the no fault policy. I have no problem with de Belin being stood down for what he has been accused of and charged by the police. I'm not comparing the two.
As we have seen subsequently, de Belin's case for dismissal of the case for lack of evidence has been dismissed recently.
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I definitely wasn’t hinting at De Belin either. I agree with the rule around standing down people facing a long jail time if found guilty.
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Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 10:05 pm
Raiders666 wrote: September 9, 2020, 7:27 pm
Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:57 pm
Raiders666 wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:31 pm
Colk wrote: September 9, 2020, 6:22 pm

We aren’t going to move our captain. My thinking is that as he has no police record, other clubs might be more willing to take a punt; particularly if we pay some of the transit

We need a strike backline player as well which we don’t have
I think Scott has more upside than Croker and Rapana.....I'd be keeping him
What games are you watching? Croker on current form is arguable however Rapana is miles better than Scott even taking into consideration his regression.

Rapana can at least break a tackle and tackle a bloke
Rapana has what? 1? 2? more years ahead of him? I just think Scott can come good..I'm thinking more for the future. We aren't winning the comp with the Backline we have this yr..The drop in form is alarming
How far in the future do you want to look and how much upside do you see?

Scott is not some bloke as far as I can see with massive potential for improvement like a Stephen Crichton or Zac Lomax just to point at some common examples. At best he is an average first grader, so therefore the argument should be based true on who is the better player now and not how many years as he got as a professional player. In that case, it is clearly Rapana.

Also, I don’t like this attitude of looking beyond 12-24 months too much. If your squad is strong outside of a few areas then you don’t think of waiting around, or seeing how it goes in a year or two, you try and improve it straight away because you don’t know know how long the opportunity is
You make good points and I guess the question is have we invested too much cap into our forwards? Apart from Croker no one else is costing us an arm and a leg
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raiderskater wrote: September 9, 2020, 9:37 pm And it's not like NSW Police don't have a well-deserved reputation for being bullies and abusing their power. Perhaps Scott ought to be grateful he's just a drunk guy and not a teenage girl wanting to go to a music festival, so it's just regular assault instead of sexual assault.
Do cops have a reputation of raping teenage girls wanting to go to music festivals? Because that's what sexual assault is.

Cops searching someone after a drug dog makes an indication (if that's what you're actually referring to) is not rape, despite the ambiguity as to its lawfulness.
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Finchy wrote:
raiderskater wrote: September 9, 2020, 9:37 pm And it's not like NSW Police don't have a well-deserved reputation for being bullies and abusing their power. Perhaps Scott ought to be grateful he's just a drunk guy and not a teenage girl wanting to go to a music festival, so it's just regular assault instead of sexual assault.
Do cops have a reputation of raping teenage girls wanting to go to music festivals? Because that's what sexual assault is.

Cops searching someone after a drug dog makes an indication (if that's what you're actually referring to) is not rape, despite the ambiguity as to its lawfulness.
I think it's a fairly open secret that drug dogs give 'indication' on command, and many police are happy to abuse their systems.

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