In that respect he has been 1st class. I'd argue he has been our best captain in that regard. AB, Taylor, Waugh, Ponting and Clarke were all hard nosed leaders. Smith took a step back, but was still ruthless on the field.raiderskater wrote: ↑September 9, 2019, 6:54 pm I'm so proud of the lads, but I gotta say I'm also really proud of Paine. He has done his best and carried himself with poise and maturity after becoming captain in the most difficult way possible. He absolutely deserves this.
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Thanks Matt. Given those stats its time to give Warner a spell imo. Whoever they bring in cannot score worse than ZERO. Uzi has opened in the past. The Labu/Smith 1st innings rebuilt our total in the last test. Keep them at 3 and 4. Other than booing from the crowd, I am not seeing what Warner is adding to the performance/motivation of the side. When they are back in OZ then Burns has to be back in the mix even if that means that Hohns has to be given the flick as a selector as well.Matt wrote: ↑September 9, 2019, 9:01 pmMissed this from earlier, but this is his worst run.RedRaider wrote: ↑September 8, 2019, 9:23 pmAzza, I'm starting to think the continual booing is getting to him. He used to take the family to the game. His kids would have been asking 'Why are they booing Daddy?' It would have been difficult to admit he was suspended for a year for cheating. I can't recall a time when he has had such a string of low scores (Awaits Matt to belt me with the facts ).
Got his 1st career pair.
Now has 3 globes on the trot.
It's his worst run.
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Burns needs to be in the mix coz the others have failed. I don't see Warner bring flicked thoughRedRaider wrote: ↑September 9, 2019, 10:02 pmThanks Matt. Given those stats its time to give Warner a spell imo. Whoever they bring in cannot score worse than ZERO. Uzi has opened in the past. The Labu/Smith 1st innings rebuilt our total in the last test. Keep them at 3 and 4. Other than booing from the crowd, I am not seeing what Warner is adding to the performance/motivation of the side. When they are back in OZ then Burns has to be back in the mix even if that means that Hohns has to be given the flick as a selector as well.Matt wrote: ↑September 9, 2019, 9:01 pmMissed this from earlier, but this is his worst run.RedRaider wrote: ↑September 8, 2019, 9:23 pmAzza, I'm starting to think the continual booing is getting to him. He used to take the family to the game. His kids would have been asking 'Why are they booing Daddy?' It would have been difficult to admit he was suspended for a year for cheating. I can't recall a time when he has had such a string of low scores (Awaits Matt to belt me with the facts ).
Got his 1st career pair.
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We all remember that great West Indies side of the 80s.
Clive Lloyd, Viv Richards, Jeff Dujon, Gus Logie, Malcolm Marshall+ many others.
But Pakistan also had a great bunch.
Penut Batajar
Wasee Acrim
Ahkeep Myteefina Jahbesidabed
Javed Gemiteformeandad
Rubbish Binney
Neva bin Behindbars
Hafaduzn Marsbarz
Asif Heedgeevasheet
Sleazy Winebarz
He drive Fastcarz
Plenty of former PAK greats in that list..
Clive Lloyd, Viv Richards, Jeff Dujon, Gus Logie, Malcolm Marshall+ many others.
But Pakistan also had a great bunch.
Penut Batajar
Wasee Acrim
Ahkeep Myteefina Jahbesidabed
Javed Gemiteformeandad
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Hafaduzn Marsbarz
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Plenty of former PAK greats in that list..
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Did you find your 12th man CDs PJ?-PJ- wrote: ↑September 10, 2019, 7:58 am We all remember that great West Indies side of the 80s.
Clive Lloyd, Viv Richards, Jeff Dujon, Gus Logie, Malcolm Marshall+ many others.
But Pakistan also had a great bunch.
Penut Batajar
Wasee Acrim
Ahkeep Myteefina Jahbesidabed
Javed Gemiteformeandad
Rubbish Binney
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Hafaduzn Marsbarz
Asif Heedgeevasheet
Sleazy Winebarz
He drive Fastcarz
Plenty of former PAK greats in that list..
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You forgot Adsayed Giveasheed
Also who could forget Deeryme whatacrummysinghe
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Don't agree with droppng Warner and retaining Harris, who's record this series is equally sucky. When you compare records prior to this series there is daylight between Warner and Harris.RedRaider wrote: ↑September 9, 2019, 10:02 pmThanks Matt. Given those stats its time to give Warner a spell imo. Whoever they bring in cannot score worse than ZERO. Uzi has opened in the past. The Labu/Smith 1st innings rebuilt our total in the last test. Keep them at 3 and 4. Other than booing from the crowd, I am not seeing what Warner is adding to the performance/motivation of the side. When they are back in OZ then Burns has to be back in the mix even if that means that Hohns has to be given the flick as a selector as well.Matt wrote: ↑September 9, 2019, 9:01 pmMissed this from earlier, but this is his worst run.RedRaider wrote: ↑September 8, 2019, 9:23 pmAzza, I'm starting to think the continual booing is getting to him. He used to take the family to the game. His kids would have been asking 'Why are they booing Daddy?' It would have been difficult to admit he was suspended for a year for cheating. I can't recall a time when he has had such a string of low scores (Awaits Matt to belt me with the facts ).
Got his 1st career pair.
Now has 3 globes on the trot.
It's his worst run.
As per my earlier post, I think they need to give both openers one more crack at redemption. The reality is they can only replace them with somebody else who's recently been dropped for under performance (Khawaja and Bancroft) and that's not going to achieve much.
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He plays fro Sri Lanka you muppet
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What about Shovedeminda vaas?
Or Ahfeellikeachunda andamaightneedapuutuu
Or Ahfeellikeachunda andamaightneedapuutuu
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And in the end farrrkinear was.... nowhere f**kin near it.
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No..these are legitimate players..aren't they ??Matt wrote: ↑September 10, 2019, 10:06 amDid you find your 12th man CDs PJ?-PJ- wrote: ↑September 10, 2019, 7:58 am We all remember that great West Indies side of the 80s.
Clive Lloyd, Viv Richards, Jeff Dujon, Gus Logie, Malcolm Marshall+ many others.
But Pakistan also had a great bunch.
Penut Batajar
Wasee Acrim
Ahkeep Myteefina Jahbesidabed
Javed Gemiteformeandad
Rubbish Binney
Neva bin Behindbars
Hafaduzn Marsbarz
Asif Heedgeevasheet
Sleazy Winebarz
He drive Fastcarz
Plenty of former PAK greats in that list..
3rd Battalion Royal Australian Regiment..Old Faithful
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Aeed Sayeed Givasheed
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Ameer...Sohail.
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Doubledeckerbus
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Hail Richie, hail the great manAzza wrote:Ameer...Sohail.
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Drops Head but keeps Warner, k
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Head out, Marsh in.
Lefty out, righty in.
Bowler in, means Cummins probably plays.
Lefty out, righty in.
Bowler in, means Cummins probably plays.
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Mitchell Marsh back in the squad for Travis Head. Siddle in the 12. Is this the Ashes or a retirement benefit Charity match?? Siddle is 35 in November. He won't play another Ashes Test after this series, unless Hohns is still a selector. Selectors change a winning Test squad but leave the worst performers alone. The old saying, its harder to get out of the Test squad than into it, seems to be coming true.
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MMarsh still holding on to those photos of Langer and Hohns in a compromising position.
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IMO there is argument to say Siddle is the perfect squad member/ 12th man. His experience, professionalism and reliability is what all coaches want, and could easily be mentoring/ coaching the other bowlers from inside the playing group. He can help the other players, and if a bowler went down in the warmup, you know he could slot in at a moments notice and not disgrace himself. That said, he definitely inst talented enough to be there on his own merit these days.RedRaider wrote: ↑September 12, 2019, 7:43 am Mitchell Marsh back in the squad for Travis Head. Siddle in the 12. Is this the Ashes or a retirement benefit Charity match?? Siddle is 35 in November. He won't play another Ashes Test after this series, unless Hohns is still a selector. Selectors change a winning Test squad but leave the worst performers alone. The old saying, its harder to get out of the Test squad than into it, seems to be coming true.
As for MMarsh, how many chances do you get? I get it, Head and Wades form hasnt been the best, and we have already tinkered as much as we can with the top order, but.... ooph!
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That MMarsh selection is baffling.
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Talking to someone with inside knowledge, Siddle is selected as he contributes more to the team than his individual statistics suggest. There is quite a lot of analytics that go into it.
That's also how Smith was originally selected, there was a disagreement between selectors, one particularly thinking that Smith wouldn't be good enough. But the analytics suggested otherwise, so he was given a chance.
Incidentally, New Zealand are far ahead of other countries on analytics, just don't have the talent pool to execute in a longer time period.
That's also how Smith was originally selected, there was a disagreement between selectors, one particularly thinking that Smith wouldn't be good enough. But the analytics suggested otherwise, so he was given a chance.
Incidentally, New Zealand are far ahead of other countries on analytics, just don't have the talent pool to execute in a longer time period.
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You can park Siddle at an end for 12 overs at a time and he won't go for a million, but a wet lettuce leaf has more chance of taking a bag.
He's useful if Lyon could take a wicket, but he's useless atm.
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Interestingreptar wrote: ↑September 12, 2019, 10:23 am Talking to someone with inside knowledge, Siddle is selected as he contributes more to the team than his individual statistics suggest. There is quite a lot of analytics that go into it.
That's also how Smith was originally selected, there was a disagreement between selectors, one particularly thinking that Smith wouldn't be good enough. But the analytics suggested otherwise, so he was given a chance.
Incidentally, New Zealand are far ahead of other countries on analytics, just don't have the talent pool to execute in a longer time period.
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Next time we catch up, whenever that is, happy to go into details on it. Can't reveal my source here, though.Matt wrote:Interestingreptar wrote: ↑September 12, 2019, 10:23 am Talking to someone with inside knowledge, Siddle is selected as he contributes more to the team than his individual statistics suggest. There is quite a lot of analytics that go into it.
That's also how Smith was originally selected, there was a disagreement between selectors, one particularly thinking that Smith wouldn't be good enough. But the analytics suggested otherwise, so he was given a chance.
Incidentally, New Zealand are far ahead of other countries on analytics, just don't have the talent pool to execute in a longer time period.
Gina Riley: Oh, come on, John. That’s a bit old hat, the corrupt IOC delegate.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
John Clarke: Old hat? Gina, in the scientific world when they see that something is happening again and again and again, repeatedly, they don’t call it old hat. They call it a pattern.
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I'm very interested.reptar wrote: ↑September 12, 2019, 11:29 amNext time we catch up, whenever that is, happy to go into details on it. Can't reveal my source here, though.Matt wrote:Interestingreptar wrote: ↑September 12, 2019, 10:23 am Talking to someone with inside knowledge, Siddle is selected as he contributes more to the team than his individual statistics suggest. There is quite a lot of analytics that go into it.
That's also how Smith was originally selected, there was a disagreement between selectors, one particularly thinking that Smith wouldn't be good enough. But the analytics suggested otherwise, so he was given a chance.
Incidentally, New Zealand are far ahead of other countries on analytics, just don't have the talent pool to execute in a longer time period.
Australian sport is behind in this regard, though John Buchanan was big on numbers while he was coaching the national team. NRL only jioned the modern world with GPS etc in the past couple of years too.
American sport, esp NFL have been doing it for years.
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It's just not cricket...RedRaider wrote: ↑September 12, 2019, 7:43 am Mitchell Marsh back in the squad for Travis Head. Siddle in the 12. Is this the Ashes or a retirement benefit Charity match?? Siddle is 35 in November. He won't play another Ashes Test after this series, unless Hohns is still a selector. Selectors change a winning Test squad but leave the worst performers alone. The old saying, its harder to get out of the Test squad than into it, seems to be coming true.
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These analytics got it right with Smith. How many times have they got it wrong? Personally I think they're over analysing sometimes. The science starts to create knowledge clutter and judgement gets clouded.reptar wrote: ↑September 12, 2019, 10:23 am Talking to someone with inside knowledge, Siddle is selected as he contributes more to the team than his individual statistics suggest. There is quite a lot of analytics that go into it.
That's also how Smith was originally selected, there was a disagreement between selectors, one particularly thinking that Smith wouldn't be good enough. But the analytics suggested otherwise, so he was given a chance.
Incidentally, New Zealand are far ahead of other countries on analytics, just don't have the talent pool to execute in a longer time period.
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Yes, often it's because there aren't enough data points, so confidence levels or error of margin is completely out. Often there would be an experiment to see what happens. Other times, things would backfire because the selectors or coach ignored it and went with gut feel. Other times it was admittedly not helpful.Northern Raider wrote:These analytics got it right with Smith. How many times have they got it wrong? Personally I think they're over analysing sometimes. The science starts to create knowledge clutter and judgement gets clouded.reptar wrote: ↑September 12, 2019, 10:23 am Talking to someone with inside knowledge, Siddle is selected as he contributes more to the team than his individual statistics suggest. There is quite a lot of analytics that go into it.
That's also how Smith was originally selected, there was a disagreement between selectors, one particularly thinking that Smith wouldn't be good enough. But the analytics suggested otherwise, so he was given a chance.
Incidentally, New Zealand are far ahead of other countries on analytics, just don't have the talent pool to execute in a longer time period.
I've seen the analysis used by Australia for the World Cup and a lot of it was spot on. New Zealand used their statistical advantages pretty much perfectly.
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Analytics are used on Cricket team list Thursday. I wonder if Stick uses them on Team List Tuesday?reptar wrote: ↑September 12, 2019, 10:23 am Talking to someone with inside knowledge, Siddle is selected as he contributes more to the team than his individual statistics suggest. There is quite a lot of analytics that go into it.
That's also how Smith was originally selected, there was a disagreement between selectors, one particularly thinking that Smith wouldn't be good enough. But the analytics suggested otherwise, so he was given a chance.
Incidentally, New Zealand are far ahead of other countries on analytics, just don't have the talent pool to execute in a longer time period.