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As for us it would be good to pick up an experienced middle for a bench impact role I reckon, our forward pack is solid but wouldn't hurt to add that competition for spots if we can
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Yeah couldn't hurt. Should always look to freshen up the squad each off season.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 9:47 am As for us it would be good to pick up an experienced middle for a bench impact role I reckon, our forward pack is solid but wouldn't hurt to add that competition for spots if we can
Sutton isn't suited to the bench and that could become an issue if he can't force a start.
Tapine could be excellent at that role of impact middle but is more than capable of starting too (or reaching the point where his ill discipline makes the cost: benefit a big question).
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I still think the guy could be anything, but, i agree with thisBadnMean wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 1:26 pmYeah couldn't hurt. Should always look to freshen up the squad each off season.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 9:47 am As for us it would be good to pick up an experienced middle for a bench impact role I reckon, our forward pack is solid but wouldn't hurt to add that competition for spots if we can
Sutton isn't suited to the bench and that could become an issue if he can't force a start.
Tapine could be excellent at that role of impact middle but is more than capable of starting too (or reaching the point where his ill discipline makes the cost: benefit a big question).
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I agree with your points above. For mine, our best starting middle combo is Papalii Tapine, Sutton. With Soliola and Horsburgh our first cabs off the rank. Sia has been immense starting but he is great in any role. And I love the big fiery red head having him on the field at the same time to learn off.BadnMean wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 1:26 pmYeah couldn't hurt. Should always look to freshen up the squad each off season.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 9:47 am As for us it would be good to pick up an experienced middle for a bench impact role I reckon, our forward pack is solid but wouldn't hurt to add that competition for spots if we can
Sutton isn't suited to the bench and that could become an issue if he can't force a start.
Tapine could be excellent at that role of impact middle but is more than capable of starting too (or reaching the point where his ill discipline makes the cost: benefit a big question).
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I agree with that too.Wiki Special wrote: ↑August 19, 2019, 2:41 pmI agree with your points above. For mine, our best starting middle combo is Papalii Tapine, Sutton. With Soliola and Horsburgh our first cabs off the rank. Sia has been immense starting but he is great in any role. And I love the big fiery red head having him on the field at the same time to learn off.BadnMean wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 1:26 pmYeah couldn't hurt. Should always look to freshen up the squad each off season.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 9:47 am As for us it would be good to pick up an experienced middle for a bench impact role I reckon, our forward pack is solid but wouldn't hurt to add that competition for spots if we can
Sutton isn't suited to the bench and that could become an issue if he can't force a start.
Tapine could be excellent at that role of impact middle but is more than capable of starting too (or reaching the point where his ill discipline makes the cost: benefit a big question).
I actually think having Papa and Sia separate keeps our go forward through the middle of the game. That said, if horse is going to come off the bench and dominate packs like he did vs Storm, maybe its lees of an issue. I still think Sutton is better as a bigger min middle, but 98m and 16 tackles in 33mins vs Storm is a very good shift.
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I'm with you there mate. Sutton is the type of player who thrives on the old softening up period too (think his effort in the Tigers shutout). I'd bring Sia and Horsburgh on around the 25 minute mark for Sutton and Tapine and the third middle for Papa at the 30 minute mark.Matt wrote: ↑August 19, 2019, 2:47 pmI agree with that too.Wiki Special wrote: ↑August 19, 2019, 2:41 pmI agree with your points above. For mine, our best starting middle combo is Papalii Tapine, Sutton. With Soliola and Horsburgh our first cabs off the rank. Sia has been immense starting but he is great in any role. And I love the big fiery red head having him on the field at the same time to learn off.BadnMean wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 1:26 pmYeah couldn't hurt. Should always look to freshen up the squad each off season.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 9:47 am As for us it would be good to pick up an experienced middle for a bench impact role I reckon, our forward pack is solid but wouldn't hurt to add that competition for spots if we can
Sutton isn't suited to the bench and that could become an issue if he can't force a start.
Tapine could be excellent at that role of impact middle but is more than capable of starting too (or reaching the point where his ill discipline makes the cost: benefit a big question).
I actually think having Papa and Sia separate keeps our go forward through the middle of the game. That said, if horse is going to come off the bench and dominate packs like he did vs Storm, maybe its lees of an issue. I still think Sutton is better as a bigger min middle, but 98m and 16 tackles in 33mins vs Storm is a very good shift.
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Wiki Special wrote: ↑August 19, 2019, 2:54 pmI'm with you there mate. Sutton is the type of player who thrives on the old softening up period too (think his effort in the Tigers shutout). I'd bring Sia and Horsburgh on around the 25 minute mark for Sutton and Tapine and the third middle for Papa at the 30 minute mark.Matt wrote: ↑August 19, 2019, 2:47 pmI agree with that too.Wiki Special wrote: ↑August 19, 2019, 2:41 pmI agree with your points above. For mine, our best starting middle combo is Papalii Tapine, Sutton. With Soliola and Horsburgh our first cabs off the rank. Sia has been immense starting but he is great in any role. And I love the big fiery red head having him on the field at the same time to learn off.BadnMean wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 1:26 pmYeah couldn't hurt. Should always look to freshen up the squad each off season.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 9:47 am As for us it would be good to pick up an experienced middle for a bench impact role I reckon, our forward pack is solid but wouldn't hurt to add that competition for spots if we can
Sutton isn't suited to the bench and that could become an issue if he can't force a start.
Tapine could be excellent at that role of impact middle but is more than capable of starting too (or reaching the point where his ill discipline makes the cost: benefit a big question).
I actually think having Papa and Sia separate keeps our go forward through the middle of the game. That said, if horse is going to come off the bench and dominate packs like he did vs Storm, maybe its lees of an issue. I still think Sutton is better as a bigger min middle, but 98m and 16 tackles in 33mins vs Storm is a very good shift.
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Dunamis Lui has been excellent this season, criminally underrated
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He's only ever been good. Was slow after knee surgery but was always good
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Lui has been great. Our 15, 16, 17 in the Finals could be Soliola, Horsburgh, Lui. That is brilliant. Then Young and Havili waiting in the wings. Incredible depth considering Guler and Murchie are only options in case of emergency.
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Will Guler and Murchie ‘kick on’ or ‘move on’?
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Guler I can see kicking on but he seems more of a late bloomer compared to Horse. Still has 2 years left on his current deal.
Murchie was somehow defending better earlier on but now that he's put on a bit of size he's not as reliable. Maybe he needs to move to lock next year but I don't think he'll stay past his current 2 year deal.
A lot of improvement can happen in a pre-season with the younger guys.
Murchie was somehow defending better earlier on but now that he's put on a bit of size he's not as reliable. Maybe he needs to move to lock next year but I don't think he'll stay past his current 2 year deal.
A lot of improvement can happen in a pre-season with the younger guys.
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Correct, has run hard and defended well all year, sucks at stripping tho lolbonehead wrote:Dunamis Lui has been excellent this season, criminally underrated
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I don't see anyone picking Murchie up for first grade tbhzim wrote:Guler I can see kicking on but he seems more of a late bloomer compared to Horse. Still has 2 years left on his current deal.
Murchie was somehow defending better earlier on but now that he's put on a bit of size he's not as reliable. Maybe he needs to move to lock next year but I don't think he'll stay past his current 2 year deal.
A lot of improvement can happen in a pre-season with the younger guys.
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Lots of time for Murchie to develop. They’ve made him a bit too big this year.
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By "the guy" are we talking Tapine? If so, he's not the type of player I'd be relegating to an interchange spot. I understand bench guys play an important role in today's game but they're still on shorter minutes than starters for the most part... You want guys on starting salaries in starting roles or at least on starting minutes. He's in the 13 or bust for me.Matt wrote: ↑August 19, 2019, 2:26 pmI still think the guy could be anything, but, i agree with thisBadnMean wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 1:26 pmYeah couldn't hurt. Should always look to freshen up the squad each off season.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑August 18, 2019, 9:47 am As for us it would be good to pick up an experienced middle for a bench impact role I reckon, our forward pack is solid but wouldn't hurt to add that competition for spots if we can
Sutton isn't suited to the bench and that could become an issue if he can't force a start.
Tapine could be excellent at that role of impact middle but is more than capable of starting too (or reaching the point where his ill discipline makes the cost: benefit a big question).
I honestly think we aren't using him to the best of his ability at lock and need to find a way to get him time at second row. There are a few clubs in the NRL who could use a player of his calibre at second row imo.
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I see him being a very good player by late next season but he's going to have a lot of traffic in our forwards if Hetherington does come.greeneyed wrote:Lots of time for Murchie to develop. They’ve made him a bit too big this year.
Hors, Havili, Guler, Young, Hetherington and murchie for probably 2/3 spots.
I've got Papa, Tapine and Sutton starting middles next season with Lui first bench.
Depends on Sia I suppose.
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I can, cheaply anyway. Few current second rowers moving on or into the middle atm and he’s a young player with good pedigree who for, what I’ve seen is one of the best forwards in the nsw cup.-TW- wrote: ↑August 19, 2019, 11:19 pmI don't see anyone picking Murchie up for first grade tbhzim wrote:Guler I can see kicking on but he seems more of a late bloomer compared to Horse. Still has 2 years left on his current deal.
Murchie was somehow defending better earlier on but now that he's put on a bit of size he's not as reliable. Maybe he needs to move to lock next year but I don't think he'll stay past his current 2 year deal.
A lot of improvement can happen in a pre-season with the younger guys.
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well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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We’d be mad to let him go.
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Yes and no. I think we’d be pricks to stand in his way if he got a first grade opportunity while he’s behind Bateman, Whitehead, Tapine and Young.
well, I guess you could say that I'm buy curious.
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I think both will get every chance to kick on. I rate Murchie higher than Guler but might be in the minority there. In reality though, we have gone from looking thin in the forwards to having tremendous depth. Hetherington is a great signing for next year, I think he'll play some First Grade in 2020.
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They really need to nail down what role he should be playing in the pre-season. If they/he want to keep him at his current size I think he needs to move inward to lock.
Trimming down a bit would help his decisions under fatigue. Although maybe he just gets fitter from another pre-season and his size isn't as much of an issue in 2020.
If we can't hold onto him for cheap or if he got an offer I wouldn't stand in his way. He hasn't played any significant role this year and we have a lot of 2nd row talent with the emergence of Hudson Young. We've been able to move one of our best 2nd rowers into the middle in Tapine.
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My position on this is unchanged.
These guys have limited time in the game and limited chances.
These players will find a way to out anyways, it's how it works now. No point standing in the way. If Guler or Murchie get offers elsewhere and want to go, they'll get out whether we like it or not.
Guler in particular is someone im very high on and i'd like to see the club really focus on trying to get these guys buying into what's happening here. We've got Sia and Lui in our front row rotation right now. Sia is working year to year, and Lui has improved and is now a good player for us, but if im running the club i'd be saying to someone like Guler "if you're as good as you and we think you are, you'll easily jump him in our pecking order"
Focus on making these guys see there is a roadmap for them to be in the FG team. If they dont see that, then they'll leave regardless of the contractual situation (as they should), and if we get to that point, i favour engaging their team of choice to strike the best deal for us to allow them to leave.
These guys have limited time in the game and limited chances.
These players will find a way to out anyways, it's how it works now. No point standing in the way. If Guler or Murchie get offers elsewhere and want to go, they'll get out whether we like it or not.
Guler in particular is someone im very high on and i'd like to see the club really focus on trying to get these guys buying into what's happening here. We've got Sia and Lui in our front row rotation right now. Sia is working year to year, and Lui has improved and is now a good player for us, but if im running the club i'd be saying to someone like Guler "if you're as good as you and we think you are, you'll easily jump him in our pecking order"
Focus on making these guys see there is a roadmap for them to be in the FG team. If they dont see that, then they'll leave regardless of the contractual situation (as they should), and if we get to that point, i favour engaging their team of choice to strike the best deal for us to allow them to leave.
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I agree. The youth, Guler, Murchie, Kris, Shields and Co, need to be told that there is a way in if they perform. Be too good to keep out. Earn your spot.PigRickman wrote: ↑August 20, 2019, 7:52 pm My position on this is unchanged.
These guys have limited time in the game and limited chances.
These players will find a way to out anyways, it's how it works now. No point standing in the way. If Guler or Murchie get offers elsewhere and want to go, they'll get out whether we like it or not.
Guler in particular is someone im very high on and i'd like to see the club really focus on trying to get these guys buying into what's happening here. We've got Sia and Lui in our front row rotation right now. Sia is working year to year, and Lui has improved and is now a good player for us, but if im running the club i'd be saying to someone like Guler "if you're as good as you and we think you are, you'll easily jump him in our pecking order"
Focus on making these guys see there is a roadmap for them to be in the FG team. If they dont see that, then they'll leave regardless of the contractual situation (as they should), and if we get to that point, i favour engaging their team of choice to strike the best deal for us to allow them to leave.
Lui is liked by the coaches, but surely, whith Horsburgh and Young coming on this yr, his spot will be up for grabs next yr.
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Shields is too young to be in this convo imo, he's still on the come up.
I think Kris is a real player, and i think Guler is going to a VERY good FGer... Murchie has a load of talent and enough of a run on the baord to get other teams interested
Those guys will attract attention from clubs in need of building around youth. If we dont make them feel like there is a path, they'll leave. This is now a use it or lose it league, contracts mean nothing.
I think Kris is a real player, and i think Guler is going to a VERY good FGer... Murchie has a load of talent and enough of a run on the baord to get other teams interested
Those guys will attract attention from clubs in need of building around youth. If we dont make them feel like there is a path, they'll leave. This is now a use it or lose it league, contracts mean nothing.
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Kris: still done nothing in FG whilst Cotric and Simonsson and Hors look like FG'ers. I don't think he'll have a career. Can go if he wants more than minimum.
Guler: looks steady. Might get a top 30 contract at another club. Worth holding onto. Still showing promise.
Murchie: Oldest of our forward young guns but has shown the least. If it came down to it I'd be tossing up between him and Young and Guler to let go first... Murchie would be first out the door. I'd rather offer him near minimum and keep the cap for others.
Guler: looks steady. Might get a top 30 contract at another club. Worth holding onto. Still showing promise.
Murchie: Oldest of our forward young guns but has shown the least. If it came down to it I'd be tossing up between him and Young and Guler to let go first... Murchie would be first out the door. I'd rather offer him near minimum and keep the cap for others.
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If we do go deep in the finals this year, which we should. We’re going to have a problem with salary cap, and keeping the squad fresh. I’d be seeing if anyone wanted Tapine at a reasonable price (which they should, he’s a good player). Because we need to find a way to free up some cap, and have pathways through to keep competition for spots.julian87 wrote:Yes and no. I think we’d be pricks to stand in his way if he got a first grade opportunity while he’s behind Bateman, Whitehead, Tapine and Young.
We failed to do that in 2017. Upgraded everybody in the core and had to discard the players in the second tier to stay cap compliant. It left us with players with no pressure for spots. I think that’s less of a problem next year because it wasn’t simply complacency in 2017, but more the game moving on from behemoths like Boyd/Paulo (But we had no first grade quality alternatives to switch in for team balance). Still, I think we have mistakes there to learn from in roster management. It’s why Rapana can’t have a huge contract this time as much as I love him. It would cause us to lose too much in the outside back depth.
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If we insist on playing Tapine in the middle, then i complete agree with the above.
If we get Bateman into lock and roll with him on the edges, i'd hang on to him and let the kids walk instead.
If we get Bateman into lock and roll with him on the edges, i'd hang on to him and let the kids walk instead.
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Agreed. There are plenty of clubs that would benefit with Tapine in his preferred position at second row... if we're not gonna accommodate for that here I think it's our best option moving forward.PigRickman wrote: ↑August 20, 2019, 9:08 pm If we insist on playing Tapine in the middle, then i complete agree with the above.
If we get Bateman into lock and roll with him on the edges, i'd hang on to him and let the kids walk instead.
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Sorry I can't agree with that.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑August 21, 2019, 8:42 amAgreed. There are plenty of clubs that would benefit with Tapine in his preferred position at second row... if we're not gonna accommodate for that here I think it's our best option moving forward.PigRickman wrote: ↑August 20, 2019, 9:08 pm If we insist on playing Tapine in the middle, then i complete agree with the above.
If we get Bateman into lock and roll with him on the edges, i'd hang on to him and let the kids walk instead.
We've had our best season defensively with the two Poms on the edges. I don't understand this push for Bateman to lock.
Tapine is perfect for the middle because he offers a variation to our other middle forwards with his footwork, speed and ability to offload.He also has size - which you can't coach.
I don't think his lateral defence is great for the edges and I suspect that is what Cappy and Ricky think too.
No chance we should be letting Tapine go.
He needs an injury and suspension free season and we'll see his consistent best IMO.
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My thoughts exactly on all points.GreenMachine wrote: ↑August 21, 2019, 9:44 amSorry I can't agree with that.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑August 21, 2019, 8:42 amAgreed. There are plenty of clubs that would benefit with Tapine in his preferred position at second row... if we're not gonna accommodate for that here I think it's our best option moving forward.PigRickman wrote: ↑August 20, 2019, 9:08 pm If we insist on playing Tapine in the middle, then i complete agree with the above.
If we get Bateman into lock and roll with him on the edges, i'd hang on to him and let the kids walk instead.
We've had our best season defensively with the two Poms on the edges. I don't understand this push for Bateman to lock.
Tapine is perfect for the middle because he offers a variation to our other middle forwards with his footwork, speed and ability to offload.He also has size - which you can't coach.
I don't think his lateral defence is great for the edges and I suspect that is what Cappy and Ricky think too.
No chance we should be letting Tapine go.
He needs an injury and suspension free season and we'll see his consistent best IMO.
The Bateman to lock is interesting. Have seen people point to the great form he was in at that position. He has played 2 games there out of 17 or so matches.
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Spot on.GreenMachine wrote: ↑August 21, 2019, 9:44 amSorry I can't agree with that.Raiders_Pat wrote: ↑August 21, 2019, 8:42 amAgreed. There are plenty of clubs that would benefit with Tapine in his preferred position at second row... if we're not gonna accommodate for that here I think it's our best option moving forward.PigRickman wrote: ↑August 20, 2019, 9:08 pm If we insist on playing Tapine in the middle, then i complete agree with the above.
If we get Bateman into lock and roll with him on the edges, i'd hang on to him and let the kids walk instead.
We've had our best season defensively with the two Poms on the edges. I don't understand this push for Bateman to lock.
Tapine is perfect for the middle because he offers a variation to our other middle forwards with his footwork, speed and ability to offload.He also has size - which you can't coach.
I don't think his lateral defence is great for the edges and I suspect that is what Cappy and Ricky think too.
No chance we should be letting Tapine go.
He needs an injury and suspension free season and we'll see his consistent best IMO.
The only factor I agree with for Bateman moving to the 13 is he MAY get his hands on the ball more often, but his ball playing on the edges is golden, so leave it be.