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I had the weirdest **** **** ever yesterday. I had just finished reading this thread, and one my mates from the Riff rang me to chat about the game because i had been sending him all the **** smack talk during the week and apropos to nothing he was like "I cant believe the Raiders are actually good on defence and you know what? Croker's defense really impressed me in that game too"
and that **** just always sounds like a totally made up story but it **** happened!
and that **** just always sounds like a totally made up story but it **** happened!
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He wasn't one of those Russian panthers fans then.PigRickman wrote: ↑August 2, 2019, 11:28 am I had the weirdest **** **** ever yesterday. I had just finished reading this thread, and one my mates from the Riff rang me to chat about the game because i had been sending him all the **** smack talk during the week and apropos to nothing he was like "I cant believe the Raiders are actually good on defence and you know what? Croker's defense really impressed me in that game too"
and that **** just always sounds like a totally made up story but it **** happened!
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First half against the warriors. Bombed a couple, saved one. Fire up boys.
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Billy is probably unhappy with the 40-4 scoreline, so we might not hear from him for a while.
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What are you talking about GE? Billy supports the mighty green machine.greeneyed wrote:Billy is probably unhappy with the 40-4 scoreline, so we might not hear from him for a while.
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I’ve been on the game day thread all night cheering this win! Best performance in years! Get on board guys!
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Quick question, just with Jarred’s point scoring, do you think that cam smiths record should be tainted at least the 09 season cause he was kicking goals in a cheating team
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Didnt they have two premierships stripped? He should lose all the points from all those years.Goldcoast Raider wrote: ↑August 2, 2019, 10:52 pm Quick question, just with Jarred’s point scoring, do you think that cam smiths record should be tainted at least the 09 season cause he was kicking goals in a cheating team
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Makes no sense, he still scored the points
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They still won the games too, and were stripped of those points
I don’t think I agree (I’m not sure I don’t either, would need to think a little more about it) that he should be stripped of those points but I think it’s a very valid question to ask and I can certainly see the argument for it
Like how many points were obtained through players illegally on the roster? How might his point total have differed if they fielded a legal team?
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It’s a fair point but it gets ugly - if you took that position, there may be an argument to extend the rationale to points scored by teams playing against the storm in those years?PigRickman wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 9:38 amThey still won the games too, and were stripped of those points
I don’t think I agree (I’m not sure I don’t either, would need to think a little more about it) that he should be stripped of those points but I think it’s a very valid question to ask and I can certainly see the argument for it
Like how many points were obtained through players illegally on the roster? How might his point total have differed if they fielded a legal team?
I think the stripping of premierships was the punishment rather than an attempt to null and void the games. Similar to when the doggies went a season being punished for bad behaviour. The games happened it was just the teams weren’t eligible to accrue points if that makes sense.
It’s a slippery slope to go down - do you revisit any tries scored down Tim Simona’s wing? What about points the peptide pumped sharks racked up?
I think it’s probably best to say it is was it is - but like you it isn’t one I’ve lied awake at night pondering deeply.
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Yeah my view is you punish the club for the cheating, not the players.
So strip the club of points and premierships, but the players still put in the effort, so the individual achievements should stand.
So strip the club of points and premierships, but the players still put in the effort, so the individual achievements should stand.
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But they knew about the cheating so why shouldn’t they be punishedFuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 10:13 am Yeah my view is you punish the club for the cheating, not the players.
So strip the club of points and premierships, but the players still put in the effort, so the individual achievements should stand.
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The player signed 2 contracts
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But they didn’t know. Read Billy Slater’s book on the contracts.Goldcoast Raider wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 10:33 amBut they knew about the cheating so why shouldn’t they be punishedFuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 10:13 am Yeah my view is you punish the club for the cheating, not the players.
So strip the club of points and premierships, but the players still put in the effort, so the individual achievements should stand.
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So a boat just appears in there driveway
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What the club did shouldn’t impact an individuals stats.Goldcoast Raider wrote:But they knew about the cheating so why shouldn’t they be punishedFuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 10:13 am Yeah my view is you punish the club for the cheating, not the players.
So strip the club of points and premierships, but the players still put in the effort, so the individual achievements should stand.
If Cam Smith was found systematically using performance enhancing substances during a period of time, then yes his results during that time he was cheating should be removed.
But his results at that time are his own, and shouldn’t be taken away.
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But if you take players out that shouldn’t of been there and they don’t win as many games or score as many tries
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Players are not responsible for maintaining a salary cap. The club is. You would be hard pressed to find a case anywhere in any professional sport of a player being sanctioned for salary cap breach.
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Exactly, his record is validNorthern Raider wrote:Players are not responsible for maintaining a salary cap. The club is. You would be hard pressed to find a case anywhere in any professional sport of a player being sanctioned for salary cap breach.
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I wouldn't say it's valid. They didn't have a one off rort - it was over 4-5 seasons. But it's not going to be taken off him.
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And the fact that they are celebrating this week or last is rubbing it in more
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Only certain people feel that way and that's their cross to bear.Goldcoast Raider wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 11:34 am And the fact that they are celebrating this week or last is rubbing it in more
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I agree NR - the Essendon situation might be an exception though. Apparently the club was running a doping program that the players weren’t aware was illegal. In addition to the club being smashed with penalties the players also copped lengthy bans and Jobe Watson was stripped of his individual Brownlow medal win.Northern Raider wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 11:16 am Players are not responsible for maintaining a salary cap. The club is. You would be hard pressed to find a case anywhere in any professional sport of a player being sanctioned for salary cap breach.
I’m comfortable with the punishment Melbourne copped and for Cam Smith to keep his records achieved through that period. Others won’t be - probably no perfect answer and something to be debated in pubs for years to come!
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Essendon didn't breach the cap though. PED's are a whole different topic.Billy Walker wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 11:39 amI agree NR - the Essendon situation might be an exception though. Apparently the club was running a doping program that the players weren’t aware was illegal. In addition to the club being smashed with penalties the players also copped lengthy bans and Jobe Watson was stripped of his individual Brownlow medal win.Northern Raider wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 11:16 am Players are not responsible for maintaining a salary cap. The club is. You would be hard pressed to find a case anywhere in any professional sport of a player being sanctioned for salary cap breach.
I’m comfortable with the punishment Melbourne copped and for Cam Smith to keep his records achieved through that period. Others won’t be - probably no perfect answer and something to be debated in pubs for years to come!
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Yeah I think you’re probably right, that it’s a slippery slope so you have to just draw the line with competition points and premiershipsBilly Walker wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 9:54 amIt’s a fair point but it gets ugly - if you took that position, there may be an argument to extend the rationale to points scored by teams playing against the storm in those years?PigRickman wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 9:38 amThey still won the games too, and were stripped of those points
I don’t think I agree (I’m not sure I don’t either, would need to think a little more about it) that he should be stripped of those points but I think it’s a very valid question to ask and I can certainly see the argument for it
Like how many points were obtained through players illegally on the roster? How might his point total have differed if they fielded a legal team?
I think the stripping of premierships was the punishment rather than an attempt to null and void the games. Similar to when the doggies went a season being punished for bad behaviour. The games happened it was just the teams weren’t eligible to accrue points if that makes sense.
It’s a slippery slope to go down - do you revisit any tries scored down Tim Simona’s wing? What about points the peptide pumped sharks racked up?
I think it’s probably best to say it is was it is - but like you it isn’t one I’ve lied awake at night pondering deeply.
Still it’s an interesting sort of question think about in relation to the points record
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Certain player managers were held responsible, and Smith was his own manager.Northern Raider wrote:Players are not responsible for maintaining a salary cap. The club is. You would be hard pressed to find a case anywhere in any professional sport of a player being sanctioned for salary cap breach.
I'd wager Smith knew more about the cap cheating than Gallen knew about peptides. Yet some people laud Smith a saint and Gallen a monster.
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Yeah. Anyone who tries to claim that the Storm players didn't know is kidding themselves. Cameron Smith signed four separate contracts. He knew.Goldcoast Raider wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 10:33 amBut they knew about the cheating so why shouldn’t they be punishedFuifui Bradbrad wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 10:13 am Yeah my view is you punish the club for the cheating, not the players.
So strip the club of points and premierships, but the players still put in the effort, so the individual achievements should stand.
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But he didn't know what they were doing... for the same reason Billy Slater didn't know.Dr Zaius wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 12:11 pmCertain player managers were held responsible, and Smith was his own manager.Northern Raider wrote:Players are not responsible for maintaining a salary cap. The club is. You would be hard pressed to find a case anywhere in any professional sport of a player being sanctioned for salary cap breach.
I'd wager Smith knew more about the cap cheating than Gallen knew about peptides. Yet some people laud Smith a saint and Gallen a monster.
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I have loved watching these storm players play and they are some of the very best to ever play the game
In Cam’s case, the best imo
But this situation is the Oxford dictionary definition of “plausible deniability”
In Cam’s case, the best imo
But this situation is the Oxford dictionary definition of “plausible deniability”
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Yeah I have no doubt they knew. Ignoring the fact they were signing multiple contracts, just standing around at training and seeing who was in the squad should have got the spider sense tingling
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Smith wasn't managing himself back then.Dr Zaius wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 12:11 pmCertain player managers were held responsible, and Smith was his own manager.Northern Raider wrote:Players are not responsible for maintaining a salary cap. The club is. You would be hard pressed to find a case anywhere in any professional sport of a player being sanctioned for salary cap breach.
I'd wager Smith knew more about the cap cheating than Gallen knew about peptides. Yet some people laud Smith a saint and Gallen a monster.
Also "they must have known about it" is hardly a solid case to lay any sort of charges. Like I said, players are not responsible for managing a club's salary cap. Different story if rules were in place for players to fully report all earnings and gratuities then failed to disclose The boat that turned up in their driveway. That would be a personal breach by the player.
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Hey GE, I'e got a bridge for sale if you're interested.greeneyed wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 12:38 pmBut he didn't know what they were doing... for the same reason Billy Slater didn't know.Dr Zaius wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 12:11 pmCertain player managers were held responsible, and Smith was his own manager.Northern Raider wrote:Players are not responsible for maintaining a salary cap. The club is. You would be hard pressed to find a case anywhere in any professional sport of a player being sanctioned for salary cap breach.
I'd wager Smith knew more about the cap cheating than Gallen knew about peptides. Yet some people laud Smith a saint and Gallen a monster.
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They still now sign multiple contracts now, there salary cap one and their third party payment agreements which can be more than one depending on how many third party sponsors they have.Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Yeah I have no doubt they knew. Ignoring the fact they were signing multiple contracts, just standing around at training and seeing who was in the squad should have got the spider sense tingling
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Which would work except that everyone's always touting how incredibly intelligent Smith is...yeah, he knew.LastRaider wrote: ↑August 3, 2019, 2:56 pmThey still now sign multiple contracts now, there salary cap one and their third party payment agreements which can be more than one depending on how many third party sponsors they have.Fuifui Bradbrad wrote:Yeah I have no doubt they knew. Ignoring the fact they were signing multiple contracts, just standing around at training and seeing who was in the squad should have got the spider sense tingling
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