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Re: Joey Leilua out for the year?

Post by T_R » May 9, 2019, 6:48 am

Having suffered this little charmer of an injury, it kinda goes like this .... you have a general soreness in the back for a week or two. Not enough to unduly alarm you, just enough to be uncomfortable. Then, one morning you wake up and it feels like someone has jammed a carving knife into the base of your spine. You can't move, you can't sit, you can't even think straight. You just have to pop pain killers and wait while it settles down and the doctor can plan a next step. It's horrible, recovery time is long (took me a year) and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
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Re: Joey Leilua out for the year?

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T_R wrote:Having suffered this little charmer of an injury, it kinda goes like this .... you have a general soreness in the back for a week or two. Not enough to unduly alarm you, just enough to be uncomfortable. Then, one morning you wake up and it feels like someone has jammed a carving knife into the base of your spine. You can't move, you can't sit, you can't even think straight. You just have to pop pain killers and wait while it settles down and the doctor can plan a next step. It's horrible, recovery time is long (took me a year) and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
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Sounds entirely ****. :(

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Post by roneel78 » May 9, 2019, 8:30 am

Didnt be cop a crusher in the manly game or the one before? Must be a result of that


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Post by Roger Kenworthy » May 9, 2019, 10:02 am

Is James Hooper still the only source on this? I'll refrain from panic as he is the type of reporter that will treat the absolute worst case scenario as fact.

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Post by Raider47 » May 9, 2019, 10:08 am

These injuries are devastating :(

Bateman and Joey have been outstanding and both stand to miss a fair chunk of the season.
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Re: Joey Leilua out for the year?

Post by Northern Raider » May 9, 2019, 11:26 am

Roger Kenworthy wrote:
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Is James Hooper still the only source on this? I'll refrain from panic as he is the type of reporter that will treat the absolute worst case scenario as fact.
Thats a fair point. If he gets word there's an issue that potentially requires surgery then thats what he'll report. For all we know it might only be a 10% chance surgery is needed. Obviously the injury requires further treatment and monitoring before anything certain is known.
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Post by BJ » May 9, 2019, 12:16 pm

I’ll get concerned for his season when the Lurker says BJ Leluia fit to play this weekend.

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Post by Woodgers » May 9, 2019, 12:46 pm

Terrible luck if he is out for the year. He must have been close to Origin when you look at the right centre options and how poorly Roberts is going.

Turn a negative into a positive and give Cotric a go there like others have been saying. That would be our best option.
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Post by The Rickman » May 9, 2019, 1:08 pm

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Is James Hooper still the only source on this? I'll refrain from panic as he is the type of reporter that will treat the absolute worst case scenario as fact.
Thats a fair point. If he gets word there's an issue that potentially requires surgery then thats what he'll report. For all we know it might only be a 10% chance surgery is needed. Obviously the injury requires further treatment and monitoring before anything certain is known.
It’s worrying the club hasn’t said anything regarding Hooper’s comments yet... they’re usually VERY quick to quash any rumours when they start, often even when they’re true!


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Post by Sid » May 9, 2019, 1:20 pm

I guess Raiders are waiting on the 2nd opinion before they announce anything
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Post by zim » May 9, 2019, 1:28 pm

The nature of those injuries means it's a frustrating wait for inflammation to come down and improvement is very slow. Giving it a month to settle with drugs and physio before they finally decide on surgery wouldn't be surprising. If he wasn't a first grader trying to get back out on the paddock I'd give him even longer.
The worse the bulge is on scans the more likely he'll be into the surgery faster.
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The Rickman wrote:
May 9, 2019, 1:08 pm
Northern Raider wrote:
Roger Kenworthy wrote:
May 9, 2019, 10:02 am
Is James Hooper still the only source on this? I'll refrain from panic as he is the type of reporter that will treat the absolute worst case scenario as fact.
Thats a fair point. If he gets word there's an issue that potentially requires surgery then thats what he'll report. For all we know it might only be a 10% chance surgery is needed. Obviously the injury requires further treatment and monitoring before anything certain is known.
It’s worrying the club hasn’t said anything regarding Hooper’s comments yet... they’re usually VERY quick to quash any rumours when they start, often even when they’re true!


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Ilanraiders wrote:Whitehead or Wighton to Centre? Or Bateman when he’s back!!!
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Re: Joey Leilua out for the year?

Post by BadnMean » May 9, 2019, 2:42 pm

zim wrote:
May 9, 2019, 1:28 pm
The nature of those injuries means it's a frustrating wait for inflammation to come down and improvement is very slow. Giving it a month to settle with drugs and physio before they finally decide on surgery wouldn't be surprising. If he wasn't a first grader trying to get back out on the paddock I'd give him even longer.
The worse the bulge is on scans the more likely he'll be into the surgery faster.
Yep.

I've had 3 of those in the lower back (not the neck, so take with a grain of salt) and one had me finding it hard to walk or get in and out of a car for a month but was ok and lifting in the gym again by 3 months.

Other ones were almost as crippling to begin with but actually was alright again in a month.

Can back up the strange timing others have suggested -hmmm might have a little twinge there, better take it easy for a few days and then a few days later *POW* hard to even move, shooting nerve pains etc. Just the way it seems to go so I can see why he might have tried to push through what he thought was just another little footballers ache.

I was in my early and mid 30s (40 now) when they happened so waiting months to see how it settled was a far better option than surgery on my back at that age- since I was in no rush and honestly would have settled for simply being able to move freely and jog again rather take any risks to get back into a sport or anything.

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Post by Raider47 » May 9, 2019, 2:52 pm

Stick suggesting that the early prognosis is he may be out for 3 months. Could be shorter, could be longer. Waiting to hear back from an appointment today.
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"There's talk it could be three months, it could be longer or good news could be around the corner and it could be less.
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Post by -PJ- » May 9, 2019, 3:30 pm

This type of injury forced #8 into retirement...
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-PJ- wrote:
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This type of injury forced #8 into retirement...
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Post by RedRaider » May 9, 2019, 3:40 pm

I'm glad the Club is getting another opinion. Some doctors have vastly different opinions on treatment. It must be hard to continue in a contact sport, particularly with BJs alpha male playing style.
I agree with the side selected in that Oldfield will get first crack at right center. Why shuffle 2 spots when the team functioned well with Oldfield at right center last week?

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edwahu wrote:
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This type of injury forced #8 into retirement...
Who?
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May 9, 2019, 3:40 pm
I'm glad the Club is getting another opinion. Some doctors have vastly different opinions on treatment. It must be hard to continue in a contact sport, particularly with BJs alpha male playing style.
I agree with the side selected in that Oldfield will get first crack at right center. Why shuffle 2 spots when the team functioned well with Oldfield at right center last week?
Didn't see Oldfield that much after the initial try. I'm talking about in attack.

In defence both he and Williams stood tall given it appeared a weak link with the 2 together.
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RedRaider wrote:
May 9, 2019, 3:40 pm
I'm glad the Club is getting another opinion. Some doctors have vastly different opinions on treatment. It must be hard to continue in a contact sport, particularly with BJs alpha male playing style.
I agree with the side selected in that Oldfield will get first crack at right center. Why shuffle 2 spots when the team functioned well with Oldfield at right center last week?
Hey RR, I understand your point bolded there but there were a few factors which led me to the opinion to move Cotric to plug the hole. Firstly, we've started well so we can afford to take a risk here and there for the long term benefit. I quite like Oldfield and he is a solid winger but when he's played centre he has been found out a fair bit, last week was a pleasing upside but I think when he is tested more we might see a different result as we did against Cronulla last year. However one of my main thoughts here is that Cotric has started 2019 slowly by his own standards. I don't think he is playing badly but he's not playing to his potential that we've come to expect. I think adding that variation to his development at this stage might be a good way to bring him into the game more and try jump start his season. I can't see Nick being a winger forever and in reality, a competent NRL winger is Oldfield's ceiling so I think it is worth a throw of the dice at this stage, particularly with the knowledge that he played his junior footy in that spot so isn't completely unfamiliar. I think since his junior days that playing outside Croker will have taught him enough to handle it well, plus if you are going to trial him there and see how he goes, having Rapana outside as an experienced and elite winger is a handy stepping stone to assist.
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Post by Seiffert82 » May 9, 2019, 4:42 pm

Yeah I'm with Woodgers. I'd be chucking him in the deep end now.

Oldfield is a genuine winger. Cotric is a centre playing on the wing.

It really depends on Leilua's prognosis. If he's expected to be out for months it may be timely to rearrange the combos now. If he's only out for a week or two, then maybe keep Oldfield in the centres.

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Post by BadnMean » May 9, 2019, 5:04 pm

@Woodgers- agree.

We might miss Cotric's early ruck outs, but Oldfield is competent, CNK good at it and Rapana is Rapana. Joey still got back there to help out on rucks 2/3 so I expect Cotric will too.

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Its because he doesnt stand up straight

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Post by boydy80 » May 9, 2019, 5:25 pm

We're really limping around at the moment. If he's gone for the year I'd say Bateman too centre and Tapine too second row when they're fit. In the mean time Oldy has been solid enough in his time here.
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Ilanraiders wrote:Whitehead or Wighton to Centre? Or Bateman when he’s back!!!
Wighton to centre and bring Sezar in surely! Can’t continue to have a $500k a year player sitting in Reserve grade for to long


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roneel78 wrote:Didnt be cop a crusher in the manly game or the one before? Must be a result of that


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I don't know if it was Manly but I vaguely remember him getting up swinging after an awkward tackle, and giving away a penalty when we were in possession.

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roneel78 wrote:Didnt be cop a crusher in the manly game or the one before? Must be a result of that


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I don't know if it was Manly but I vaguely remember him getting up swinging after an awkward tackle, and giving away a penalty when we were in possession.

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LastRaider wrote:
May 9, 2019, 5:33 pm
Ilanraiders wrote:Whitehead or Wighton to Centre? Or Bateman when he’s back!!!
Wighton to centre and bring Sezar in surely! Can’t continue to have a $500k a year player sitting in Reserve grade for to long


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Not a chance in the world i'd be moving Wighton now.

On the other points I think a strong part of Oldfield's game as winger now he has some size is rucking it out so I think he'll do a job.

Either way I don't have anything against Oldfield and think he is one of the better depth outside backs getting around the NRL, but if we're going to do anything this year I just can't see it being with him at right centre. If my Sportsbet form is anything to go off, Oldy will go on a Colin Best run now i've made that call!
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BadnMean wrote:
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@Woodgers- agree.

We might miss Cotric's early ruck outs, but Oldfield is competent, CNK good at it and Rapana is Rapana. Joey still got back there to help out on rucks 2/3 so I expect Cotric will too.
Croker is one of our hardest workers off the line. No reason why Cotric cant contribute in this way from centre
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LastRaider wrote:
May 9, 2019, 5:33 pm
Ilanraiders wrote:Whitehead or Wighton to Centre? Or Bateman when he’s back!!!
Wighton to centre and bring Sezar in surely! Can’t continue to have a $500k a year player sitting in Reserve grade for to long

Heard on the Matty Johns podcast this morning the Georgy Williams deal is a sure thing...... Sezer may not be sitting in reserve grade that long :lol:

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Post by RedRaider » May 9, 2019, 7:38 pm

Woodgers wrote:
May 9, 2019, 4:26 pm
RedRaider wrote:
May 9, 2019, 3:40 pm
I'm glad the Club is getting another opinion. Some doctors have vastly different opinions on treatment. It must be hard to continue in a contact sport, particularly with BJs alpha male playing style.
I agree with the side selected in that Oldfield will get first crack at right center. Why shuffle 2 spots when the team functioned well with Oldfield at right center last week?
Hey RR, I understand your point bolded there but there were a few factors which led me to the opinion to move Cotric to plug the hole. Firstly, we've started well so we can afford to take a risk here and there for the long term benefit. I quite like Oldfield and he is a solid winger but when he's played centre he has been found out a fair bit, last week was a pleasing upside but I think when he is tested more we might see a different result as we did against Cronulla last year. However one of my main thoughts here is that Cotric has started 2019 slowly by his own standards. I don't think he is playing badly but he's not playing to his potential that we've come to expect. I think adding that variation to his development at this stage might be a good way to bring him into the game more and try jump start his season. I can't see Nick being a winger forever and in reality, a competent NRL winger is Oldfield's ceiling so I think it is worth a throw of the dice at this stage, particularly with the knowledge that he played his junior footy in that spot so isn't completely unfamiliar. I think since his junior days that playing outside Croker will have taught him enough to handle it well, plus if you are going to trial him there and see how he goes, having Rapana outside as an experienced and elite winger is a handy stepping stone to assist.
Hi Woodgers, I think if Ricky wanted Cotric at right center then last week would have been the match to do it. He chose to make a straight swap of Oldfield for BJ and the side won. While NC has played a lot of junior footy at center I don,t know that he has played there in FG. If he, as a rookie FG center, was to play there he would be up against the best player in the NRL in that position. If NC is to be blooded there I think it might be a couple of weeks off. At the risk of sounding like a Rick-head, I think Sticky has this week's backline selections, including the bench, right.

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